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- Hitchens. This might be your silliest one yet. Hitchens is an undersized, not particularly athletic LB. His ceiling is what he is.......... a situational starter and flexible backup. Saying he wasn't developed into something much better is hilarious.
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They were not developed properly ....... they should be better , all of those I listed, by this point in their careers.

I have noticed the same people bad mouthing Hitchens over and over on here ....... its funny when he is our most reliable LB.

Too bad the cowboys have had to move him around so much since they trusted Mr. Glass Lee and Mr. Moron Rolando.
 

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Jones (moved him all over the place damaging his development), Wilson, Gregory, Claiborne, Lawrence (moving him around), Crawford (moving him around), Hitchens (moving him around).

Actually this is entertaining and fascinating. You call the 7 above developmental failures essentially. So it begs the question, at this point in time, what should the above 7 players actually be? Should Lawrence be a 15 sack guy by now, for example?
 

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They were not developed properly ....... they should be better , all of those I listed, by this point in their careers.

I have noticed the same people bad mouthing Hitchens over and over on here ....... its funny when he is our most reliable LB.

Too bad the cowboys have had to move him around so much since they trusted Mr. Glass Lee and Mr. Moron Rolando.

Why should they be better? Better how? Like, for example, how should a rookie LB in Damien Wilson be "better"? Should he have started over McClain or Lee?

The fact Hitchens is what you call the most reliable LB doesn't mean he should be better than he is. What you see is his ceiling. He's a fairly slowish, undersized LB who just plays solid football. The fact you think he should be more than that is hilarious but gives a clear insight into your silly thinking.

And LOL at seemingly insinuating if properly developed he'd be a better choice at LB than Lee.

Holy hell.
 

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The DB for KC last year. Patrick Peterson, although largely due to his ridiculous punt returning. Hell, I'd put Roy Williams on such a list.

Not that it means anything but Lynch didn't exactly do anything worthy of a high pick investment as a rookie. Generally, most rookie RBs aren't massive impact players their first year. There are certainly a number of DBs who had great impact if you broadened it to the first 2, 3, or 4 years as you would have to in order to include Lynch in the discussion of an, "impact player".

One or the other is really only part of the equation. The next best alternative at the position you didn't use the pick on is the other half. Does Zeke give you so much more than the next best alternative (either through the draft or free agency) that passing on the DB is worth it? Who is currently the next best alternative at the DB position? Brandon Carr? Morris? The DB for KC last year had 8 INTs. That's 1 less than Carr and Claiborne have accumulated throughout their entire careers in Dallas. That's combined. If the DB was able to get 6 INTs, that's still more than these two have combined since 2013. If he got 4, it would be 4X as many as these guys have over the past 2 years.

I have little doubt that Elliot will produce. He's a stud. I question whether or not he'll produce to such an extent that the additional yards and TDs gained over the next best option will actually make as big of a difference as additional turnovers and good CB play would. There's obviously less risk with Elliot but it just doesn't seem like the net gain over the next best option is anywhere close to what it would be if Dallas would have taken a DB who played up to the pick.

I'm not upset with the pick but it's far from being as clear cut as saying, "Zeke is a sure thing", because even if that's true the team may not be gaining a significant amount relative to the next best alternative. If another RB could have given Dallas 80% of what Zeke can, the team would have probably been better off going with the DB. That extra 20% probably isn't going to swing many outcomes simply because the NFL is a passing league. Any boost to the running game will only go so far when the running game only accounts for 30% of a teams offense. That's what it was last year. Just under 31% for yardage and TDs.

He did ask you to NAME a Db and though you spent 3 paragraphs praising him you never did name him

I had to go all the way to Google to look him up....thanks

BTW- it was Marcus Peters from Washington that KC took with the 18th pick...but he was the 3rd CB picked so a lot of teams picked wrong
 

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And LOL at seemingly insinuating if properly developed he'd be a better choice at LB than Lee.

Holy hell.

Lee cannot stay on the field .... if he could he would be a pro bowl player ...... but that will never happen.

You ridiculously defend this coaching staff and bad mouth these player that they are picking ....... and somehow think that picking a safety (another player with bad knee) with the 4th pick in the draft will help.

"Holy Hell" that is stupid.
 

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A) We don't know that Zeke is a transcendent rb. Talk about anointing oil.

B) Great corners are found everywhere in the draft. That's a strawman. What we know to be true is that rb talent falls further in the draft than any other position because it is the easiest position on the field to man competently.

C) The question shouldn't be who makes the most immediate impact on the field. Also nice try. You originally said corners font have big impacts on the game unless they are Deion. Now you're pretending you just mean rookies. But again that shouldn't matter.

D) The horribly wrong part of your post was only mainly your conclusion, your entire premise and supporting facts.

It's strikingly crazy to me that someone can make the claim that "great" cornerbacks can be found in the late rounds and then turn around and advocate taking RB 4th overall, as if there was any other position in football that it's been proven repeatedly and historically that you can quality players in the late rounds and even off the streets.
 

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He did ask you to NAME a Db and though you spent 3 paragraphs praising him you never did name him

I had to go all the way to Google to look him up....thanks

BTW- it was Marcus Peters from Washington that KC took with the 18th pick...but he was the 3rd CB picked so a lot of teams picked wrong

Peters dropped because of questionable character and off the field issues. He was kicked off his college team for discipline problems. If he had been a good soldier in college, he likely would have been a Top 10, possibly Top 5, pick.
 

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Peters dropped because of questionable character and off the field issues. He was kicked off his college team for discipline problems. If he had been a good soldier in college, he likely would have been a Top 10, possibly Top 5, pick.

Kind of like Gregory....they just don't all work out
 

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Lee cannot stay on the field .... if he could he would be a pro bowl player ...... but that will never happen.

You ridiculously defend this coaching staff and bad mouth these player that they are picking ....... and somehow think that picking a safety (another player with bad knee) with the 4th pick in the draft will help.

"Holy Hell" that is stupid.

Again, your reading comprehension pretty much blows if you think I "ridiculously defend this staff". I can't be any clearer than the fact that our defensive problems are a combination of bad drafting, poor coaching and lack of elite level talent. Shoot, I wanted the staff fired after this season.

And the fact you think that a 4th round undersized LB not being some stud NFL LB proves your point is arguably one of the funnier things on this board.
 

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Peters dropped because of questionable character and off the field issues. He was kicked off his college team for discipline problems. If he had been a good soldier in college, he likely would have been a Top 10, possibly Top 5, pick.

That sounds like the kinda guy Jerry and this coaching staff would love ...... surprised he aint a Cowboy sitting on the suspended list with our other 3 defensive "starters"
 

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Shoot, I wanted the staff fired after this season.

I cant wait till that happens ..... and then suddenly all these horrible players we have will be playing much better.

Of course no apologies will be given.
 

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That sounds like the kinda guy Jerry and this coaching staff would love ...... surprised he aint a Cowboy sitting on the suspended list with our other 3 defensive "starters"

Honestly, I suspect if he had fallen to us in the 2015 draft, given we took Jones, we may have taken Peters instead.
 

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Lee cannot stay on the field .... if he could he would be a pro bowl player ...... but that will never happen.

You ridiculously defend this coaching staff and bad mouth these player that they are picking ....... and somehow think that picking a safety (another player with bad knee) with the 4th pick in the draft will help.

"Holy Hell" that is stupid.

Sean Lee made the Pro Bowl last year
 
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