Lets not forget what Dez can do

Based on the numbers I ran above...

If I'm Dez's agent I'm rooting for Tony's return. Dez is best paired with a gunslinger.

Maybe Dak can reliably make those throws...maybe Dak can't. I truly don't know. But does Dak want to make those throws when they have risk written all over them?

Prescott may feel the odds favor throwing it elsewhere when Bryant hasn't created any daylight between him and the db.

And that will cut Bryant's catches in half.
 
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T-RO said:
There is a lot of spectacle and thrill in those plays. You can't not love watching him play.

There are also facts to consider. Here is an inventory of Dez's catches and something cowboyszone is going to need to face.

These were catches...
00:34 Blanketed in coverage
01:06 Blanketed in coverage
1:33 Blanketed in coverage
1:51 Beat man by 1/2 step
2:10 Blanketed in coverage
2:33 Blanketed in coverage
2:58 Blanketed in coverage
3:14 Wide open
3:40 Open
4:15 Open
4:45 Beat man by 1/2 step
5:12 Blanketed in coverage
5:50 Blanketed in coverage
6:05 Blanketed in coverage
6:26 Blanked in coverage
7:03 Blanketed in coverage
7:43 Open
8:08 Open
8:38 Open
9:14 Blanketed in coverage

I don't have time to do more but wanted a sample size of 20... That's every catch through the first 9:15

What every fan must realize is that Dez is unbelievably gifted at catching balls in traffic. He's also not very good at getting open.

If you go through the throws in this footage you cannot help but conclude they are HIGH RISK throws. If the pass is not precisely thrown, not lofted properly...if Dez slips...if Dez gets turned the other way...

Incomplete...or an interception going the other way.

And our new quarterback is NOT A RISK TAKER.
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It's a highlight reel. Wouldn't more catches than not be of the high wire variety by nature...of it being a...you know...highlight video?
 
Toruk_Makto said:
It's a highlight reel. Wouldn't more catches than not be of the high wire variety by nature...of it being a...you know...highlight video?
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That's a good point.

Highlight reel is going to skew towards the spectacular. But a highlight reel also skews towards success.

I'm very welcoming of other opinions. I just don't think Dez gets open very much and relies on size, strength, and his hops.

I don't mean that as a criticism. Michael Irvin usually couldn't separate very much either and he's in the hall of fame. Dez's skills are a godsend in the red zone or late in a game when you need a hero catch in a crowd.

Irvin did excel at blocking off the db and creating a nice big safe target zone. I don't see Dez do that. Michael played smarter.

Throwing the ball to Dez presents a lot of risks and I suspect Dak is going to be less willing to take on those risks.
 
T-RO said:
That's a good point.

Highlight reel is going to skew towards the spectacular. But a highlight reel also skews towards success.

I'm very welcoming of other opinions. I just don't think Dez gets open very much and relies on size, strength, and his hops.

I don't mean that as a criticism. Michael Irvin usually couldn't separate very much either and he's in the hall of fame. Dez's skills are a godsend in the red zone or late in a game when you need a hero catch in a crowd.

Irvin did excel at blocking off the db and creating a nice big safe target zone. I don't see Dez do that. Michael played smarter.

Throwing the ball to Dez presents a lot of risks and I suspect Dak is going to be less willing to take on those risks.
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Throwing to Dez Bryant is not a bad thing. Arguing otherwise is crazy to me.

In 2014, Bryant and Romo combined for a league-best 15 touchdowns. (Aaron Rodgers and Jordy Nelson, second with 13, will sadly not have the opportunity to best that tally this season.)

Touchdowns are one thing, but yardage is another. On average, the Cowboys gained over 10 yards every time Romo targeted Bryant. Only one tandem averaged more yards per attempt: Andrew Luck and T.Y. Hilton.

Last season, Romo set a career best in passer rating, recording an impressive 113.2 over 15 games. He was even better when Bryant was his intended receiver — on 126 Bryant targets last season, Romo’s passer rating jumped all the way to 125.2. Breathtaking big plays might be their trademark, but they were extremely competent when it came to more ho-hum exchanges. Last season, 32 quarterback-receiver tandems had at least 100 pass attempts, and only two of those pairings (Rodgers–Randall Cobb, Eli Manning–Odell Beckham Jr.) were more efficient than Romo-Bryant, according to passer rating.

Romo led the league in long-range touchdowns last season, with 14 of his 34 touchdowns targeting receivers at least 15 yards downfield. Bryant had eight of those 14. But just because he’s a deep threat, don’t let the highlights fool you. Bryant’s also become an incredibly adept short-range receiver. Like all great wideouts, he’s a threat all over the field, and his talent has greatly helped Romo’s recent success.

Source: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/t...he-cowboys-lethal-quarterback-receiver-combo/
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Romo had an otherworldly season in 2014. And it was so amazing in large part because on all intended passes to Dez during that year Romo had a QB Rating of 125.2 on targets to Dez. ONE TWENTY FIVE POINT TWO.

Dez is the exact kind of WR that Dak could benefit from having on the field. And oh btw if Dak isn't able to effectively use a player as talented as Dez...then Dak isn't the QB the Cowboys need or deserve.
 
Toruk_Makto said:
Throwing to Dez Bryant is not a bad thing. Arguing otherwise is crazy to me.
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It's not black and white. If you are being successful with a low risk approach...why throw to somebody who is blanketed in coverage?

And there of course some high risk throws that Dak can get comfortable with.

Dez can win a lot of those battles when he's covered. But there's flat more risk. A tip, a bump, a trip...a throw slightly off or ill-timed and you have trouble.

I think the video will speak loud and clear to anyone who seeks the truth. On Dez's catches...he's extremely well covered 3/4 of the time.

Certain QBs will work better with him than others.

If you want a comparison watch this Jordy Nelson video. There are some where Jordy creates no daylight...but there are a lot where he's coming open by a half stride, two strides...sometimes even three.

 
Trouty said:
Most here would say he isn't elite. It seems, Gimme, that those that think that he's still elite, are in the minority, now.

Which destroys your narrative on that premise.

So now we must see whether he is simply good or not. Amirite?

(Edit -- I'm one of the rational ones that knows he's elite, but I'm gonna go easy on ya, my boy)
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Your rationale and rationality will fail you with Dez.

Dez is elite in his own mind.
Beckham, Jones-- now those guys are elite.
Bryant is, so far, a pretentious pretender.
But go ahead, let's pretend he is elite, for Sir Jerry's and your sake.
 
I haven't forgotten what Dez did but that doesn't mean he will repeat what he did in the past. There are a lot of players that come into the league and set it on fire then injuries hamper them in their middle late 20's and they are never the same player. I truly do hope for Dez and for the Cowboys this is not the case with him but he hasn't done much since that catch in Green Bay in the playoffs almost 2 years ago. Yes I know injuries but when are we going to get that Dez Bryant again?
 
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Yea, I sure miss his annual 3-4 highlight plays every year while watching the others that he don't show up for either bounce off his chest or through his hands.
 
cowboy_ron said:
Yea, I sure miss his annual 3-4 highlight plays every year while watching the others that he don't show up for either bounce off his chest or through his hands.
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The name under your avatar fits you perfectly.

That's exactly how I felt about you when I was reading your post.
 
You Dez isn't elite guys we're probably Merriman > Ware guys too.


How on earth can you say Dez isn't elite when healthy?


You got teams who force feed their WR the ball and because we don't do that here you actually have convinced yourself that Dez Bryant isn't an elite WR.
 
cowboy_ron said:
Yea, I sure miss his annual 3-4 highlight plays every year while watching the others that he don't show up for either bounce off his chest or through his hands.
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I think the problem is that some of you only watch the Cowboys and just see the the highlights of the others and never see them make mistakes as well.

A few of you actually were complaining that he didn't make those incredibly tough catches week 1. Hilarious. Like they were routine drops or something.
 
GimmeTheBall! said:
Your rationale and rationality will fail you with Dez.

Dez is elite in his own mind.
Beckham, Jones-- now those guys are elite.
Bryant is, so far, a pretentious pretender.
But go ahead, let's pretend he is elite, for Sir Jerry's and your sake.
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ODB is overhyped... Good WR but he isn't better than Dez.
 
T-RO said:
It's not black and white. If you are being successful with a low risk approach...why throw to somebody who is blanketed in coverage?

And there of course some high risk throws that Dak can get comfortable with.

Dez can win a lot of those battles when he's covered. But there's flat more risk. A tip, a bump, a trip...a throw slightly off or ill-timed and you have trouble.

I think the video will speak loud and clear to anyone who seeks the truth. On Dez's catches...he's extremely well covered 3/4 of the time.

Certain QBs will work better with him than others.

If you want a comparison watch this Jordy Nelson video. There are some where Jordy creates no daylight...but there are a lot where he's coming open by a half stride, two strides...sometimes even three.

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When have you seen a Dallas WR just get wide open up until this year? It's never happened consistently under Garret. Miles is probably the closest guy to being able to do that.
 
My personal feelings on this subject is Dez is Elite :

Our redzone offense is very good now, add one of the best redzone Wr in the game to that unit. teams be like CMON MAN its just not fair LOL.

I do think in 2015 Dez came back too early but i think he and the coaches had a reason. He was hurt all year but my belief of why he came back was to try to aid the offense as a decoy. His foot was not going to allow him to be effective last year. We were so stagnant on O i think Dez thought with him being back it may get teams to double him or back off the line to help Terrance Williams, Beasley , and the run game. The problem was the Qb though and Dez was not the same so teams didn't need to double him. I think that showed a special player, and one that really cares about this team since he tried to do what little he could to give the O a boost.

I could be way off with my thoughts about that, and i am sure some will be more then happy to tel me lol.
 
I hope he can return to his previous form from 2014 and years prior. Due to numerous circumstances, we haven't been able to see that guy for quite some time.

But it's impossible to give exactly one definitive reason why because there have been several factors at play. His own injuries, poor backup quarterback play (2015), Romo not being his quarterback, and playing with Prescott.

And that last point is not a knock on Prescott, but it's a valid point in my opinion because the rookie isn't throwing into tight coverages the way that Romo would. And for a guy who doesn't make his living on big separation and being wide open, that impacts Bryant's production. Romo would pull the trigger on tight windows, trusting Bryant to 'go get it', Prescott isn't yet comfortable taking those same risks and simply throws to the most open receiver he sees.
 
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