Jerry Jones: Spike Was Bad Call***merged***

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Yet on this week’s Make Me Smarter football podcast, NFL Hall of Famer Cris Carter and host Nick Wright point to two crucial mistakes the Cowboys made that cost them a chance at an NFC Championship Game berth.


NICK: The Cowboys were worried about running out of time, and I think that’s what led to the biggest mistake they made all season. They spiked the ball on first down with 49 seconds left, a timeout in their pocket, the ball around the 40-yard line. To give some context, prior to that play, there had been 68 spikes in the league this year. Only one other one was more than 45 seconds with a timeout left. It was an aberration. Teams usually don’t spike the ball there.

If you’re a.) trying to score a touchdown to win and b.) trying to make sure if we don’t get a touchdown, our field goal is the final crucial play of regulation, that spike there is so costly. You’re just giving up first down. … That was an enormous play that I think’s not talked about enough.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...ap-cris-carter-make-me-smarter-podcast-011817
 

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It means nothing.

Just more more public emasculation of the head coach. Are we not used to that by now?

The tragic part is Garrett takes it and it is called "dealing with Jerry".

If your coaching has been promoting you for failure after failure and you know you'll never get such a cushy jib and five year extensions on the regular for sucking, wouldn't you deal with it? If anything, Jerry has been doing quite a nice job of not emasculating his adopted-son and protecting him in the process, but I mean how long can you cover did him?
 

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12 seconds?..........in order to spike it, he had the team set at the line. Take the snap---take a shot if its there, roll him out so he can throw it away with grounding..........but be agreesive, maybe use 6 seconds. But as noted, have practiced the situation as Parcells did.

That is the diff. between Garrett and a Jimmy Johnson............Johnson would set the teams attitude as seek and destory---go on the radio the day before and declare to the world " we will win this game"---put the team on notice that failure isnt a option. Garret---lets the refs run over him all year, goes away from Zeke 1st series on smashmouth football, ........soft.......soft team.
yes, 12 seconds.

you have to get 11 guys on the same page for the play and the snap count. you then have to read the defense and gain an understanding of what they will be doing after the snap, alter protection schemes, possibly use some motion especially for a young signal caller to help read the defense. 12 seconds saved is conservative. it could be 15-16 seconds.
 

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  1. Dallas Cowboys at 00:42
  2. 9-C.Boswell kicks 65 yards from PIT 35 to end zone, Touchback.
  3. 1-10-DAL 25:)42) (Shotgun) 4-D.Prescott pass incomplete short right to 82-J.Witten. Pressure by 91-Tuitt.
  4. 2-10-DAL 25:)37) (Shotgun) 4-D.Prescott pass short right to 11-C.Beasley to DAL 35 for 10 yards (22-W.Gay).
  5. Timeout #1 by DAL at 00:31.
  6. 1-10-DAL 35:)31) (Shotgun) 4-D.Prescott pass short right to 82-J.Witten to DAL 48 for 13 yards (50-R.Shazier, 91-S.Tuitt).
  7. Timeout #2 by DAL at 00:23.
  8. 1-10-DAL 48:)23) (Shotgun) 4-D.Prescott pass short right to 82-J.Witten to PIT 47 for 5 yards (31-R.Cockrell). PENALTY on PIT-28-S.Davis, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at PIT 47.
  9. 1-10-PIT 32:)15) 73-J.Looney reported in as eligible. 21-E.Elliott up the middle for 32 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
  10. Timeout #3 by DAL at 00:09.
  11. (Pass formation) TWO-POINT CONVERSION ATTEMPT. 4-D.Prescott pass to 88-D.Bryant is incomplete. ATTEMPT FAILS.
  12. DAL 35 PIT 30 Plays: 5 Possession: 0:33
Remember that?
Nobody calls Garret a coward for running Elliot in that situation!
I sure do. a field goal would of put us in the lead. you are comparing apples and oranges
 

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lol easy tiger. It was one of these buffoon coaches, either Garrett or Wade
no, the fan base is stupid, in this case not even knowing who the coach was. on the play in question the line was running around disorganized like it was a Chinese fire drill and did not appear they would be getting set in time to snap the ball before delay of game.

that the field goal kicker missed a kick after taking a timeout is not worth wringing your hands over. he had a job, and he failed. it does happen. this propensity to blame Jason every time a player fails to do what he is paid highly for is absurd.
 

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I think they were moving the ball pretty well.
Another play could have taken time off the clock obviously, but it also could have resulted in a first down,or even more.
The time that they left on the clock eventually harmed them.Remember,Rodgers final pass on 3rd and twenty happened when there were 9 seconds on the clock.
If your offense begins to dominate late in the 4th,don't be stupid and deny them a game clinching play by spiking the ball.
That is all.
 

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lol easy tiger. It was one of these buffoon coaches, either Garrett or Wade

It was Jason. And at the request of the ST coordinator who thought we needed to stop the clock at that point.

I don't think he was icing, though. I think fans like to believe that so they have something to complain about. Just like they seem to think it's newsworthy for an owner to acknowledge that a first time head coach is going to have things to learn as he figures out how to compete with the very best in a league where the best hold their jobs for decades. Ie, a lot of fans can't distinguish somehow between valid criticism and things that sound damning for PR purposes but don't really matter.
 

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wow. you have no idea what was happening.

we spiked the ball to save a timeout so we could keep the middle of the field in play, not to play for overtime. the opposite of what you think is true. we gave up a down for 12 seconds because we didn't want a field goal.

You're wrong. JG specifically said he spiked the ball to save the timeout in case they needed it for the FG.

"Keeping the timeout to be able to kick a field goal is really important if you can do it. So in those situations when you make a first down, we believe clock it there so you keep the timeout in your back pocket. Obviously, in that situation we're trying to go down there and score a touchdown, so you want to keep as much time on the clock as you can," Garrett said. "If the clock is going and you need a timeout to get yourself in field goal range, you have that one still available to you."

So he spiked the ball, used a down, and saved the timeout to ensure he would have enough time to kick a FG if they couldn't get a TD.

In other words. He was consciously playing not to lose. He might not look at it that way. And maybe you don't either. But that is exactly what it was. Throwing away a down to save a timeout to ensure you have enough time later to get into FG range if you need it.

I mean. Why not just run a play?

What spiking the ball also did was take the run almost completely off the table on 2nd down and allow the GB defense, which was gassed, a 40 second break and time to get re-organized.

Is what it is now.
 
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You almost had me 100% liking your post.

For me, regardless of what happened during the game.... IF there are opportunites to WIN the game YOU must make the RIGHT decisions.

Can I "Like" your first paragraph but not the second paragrah? lol

Yeah, I mean it's not like I'm saying forget about the bad decision on the spike. I'm pissed that Garrett won't even admit or doesn't think it was a mistake. It just wasn't the last straw or the only thing that did it. Still something that shouldn't happen.
 

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I sure do. a field goal would of put us in the lead. you are comparing apples and oranges
Exactly.......the game being tied is huge..........plus the clock was stopped because of the PITT penalty and we were already in FG range.......plus we still had a TO
 

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You're wrong. JG specifically said he spiked the ball to save the timeout in case they needed it for the FG.

"Keeping the timeout to be able to kick a field goal is really important if you can do it. So in those situations when you make a first down, we believe clock it there so you keep the timeout in your back pocket. Obviously, in that situation we're trying to go down there and score a touchdown, so you want to keep as much time on the clock as you can," Garrett said. "If the clock is going and you need a timeout to get yourself in field goal range, you have that one still available to you."

So he spiked the ball, used a down, and saved the timeout to ensure he would have enough time to kick a FG if they couldn't get a TD.

In other words. He was consciously playing not to lose. He might not look at it that way. And maybe you don't either. But that is exactly what it was. Throwing away a down to save a timeout to ensure you have enough time later to get into FG range if you need it.

I mean. Why not just run a play?

What spiking the ball also did was take the run almost completely off the table on 2nd down and allow the GB defense, which was gassed, a 40 second break and time to get re-organized.

Is what it is now.

Playing for the TD without blowing the chance at the game tying FG is hardly a mistake or playing not to lose....... we were NEVER winning

Knowing the outcome now we all want to run the clock down and kick the FG but at the time everyone wanted to win
 

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I sure do. a field goal would of put us in the lead. you are comparing apples and oranges

The point was that nobody would have considered Garrett a coward if he ran the ball on 3rd and 2, or ran the ball at any time down there! Not comparing the situations as far as lead or not leading or tied. Zeke can break one at any time was the point - it is not a coward move!
 

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You're wrong. JG specifically said he spiked the ball to save the timeout in case they needed it for the FG.
lol. that is exactly what I am saying too, so you are wrong, and suck at reading comprehension

I said:
we spiked the ball to save a timeout so we could keep the middle of the field in play,

the middle of the field - as in we are tackled in bounds and the clock keeps running. hey look, good thing we saved that timeout so we could kick the field goal
 
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