Jerry Jones: Spike Was Bad Call***merged***

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  1. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    Yet on this week’s Make Me Smarter football podcast, NFL Hall of Famer Cris Carter and host Nick Wright point to two crucial mistakes the Cowboys made that cost them a chance at an NFC Championship Game berth.


    http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...ap-cris-carter-make-me-smarter-podcast-011817
     
  2. Idgit

    Idgit Fattening up Moderator

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    Lol. Good stuff.
     
  3. khiladi

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    I thought that was Garrett's only role now. If that's gone, what else will Garrett be doing?
     
  4. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    If your coaching has been promoting you for failure after failure and you know you'll never get such a cushy jib and five year extensions on the regular for sucking, wouldn't you deal with it? If anything, Jerry has been doing quite a nice job of not emasculating his adopted-son and protecting him in the process, but I mean how long can you cover did him?
     
  5. CaptainMorgan

    CaptainMorgan Well-Known Member

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    Didn't Garrett ice his own kicker?
     
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  6. Vtwin

    Vtwin Power and Performance

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    A mistake born from trying to protect the rookie QB.
     
  7. Eric_Boyer

    Eric_Boyer Well-Known Member

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    yes, 12 seconds.

    you have to get 11 guys on the same page for the play and the snap count. you then have to read the defense and gain an understanding of what they will be doing after the snap, alter protection schemes, possibly use some motion especially for a young signal caller to help read the defense. 12 seconds saved is conservative. it could be 15-16 seconds.
     
  8. Eric_Boyer

    Eric_Boyer Well-Known Member

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    no. that is another example of our idiotic fan base
     
  9. Eric_Boyer

    Eric_Boyer Well-Known Member

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    I sure do. a field goal would of put us in the lead. you are comparing apples and oranges
     
  10. CaptainMorgan

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    lol easy tiger. It was one of these buffoon coaches, either Garrett or Wade
     
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  11. Eric_Boyer

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    no, the fan base is stupid, in this case not even knowing who the coach was. on the play in question the line was running around disorganized like it was a Chinese fire drill and did not appear they would be getting set in time to snap the ball before delay of game.

    that the field goal kicker missed a kick after taking a timeout is not worth wringing your hands over. he had a job, and he failed. it does happen. this propensity to blame Jason every time a player fails to do what he is paid highly for is absurd.
     
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  12. PBCCowboy

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    I think they were moving the ball pretty well.
    Another play could have taken time off the clock obviously, but it also could have resulted in a first down,or even more.
    The time that they left on the clock eventually harmed them.Remember,Rodgers final pass on 3rd and twenty happened when there were 9 seconds on the clock.
    If your offense begins to dominate late in the 4th,don't be stupid and deny them a game clinching play by spiking the ball.
    That is all.
     
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  13. PBCCowboy

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    It was Garrett against Arizona.
    He did ice his own kicker.
     
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  14. Idgit

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    It was Jason. And at the request of the ST coordinator who thought we needed to stop the clock at that point.

    I don't think he was icing, though. I think fans like to believe that so they have something to complain about. Just like they seem to think it's newsworthy for an owner to acknowledge that a first time head coach is going to have things to learn as he figures out how to compete with the very best in a league where the best hold their jobs for decades. Ie, a lot of fans can't distinguish somehow between valid criticism and things that sound damning for PR purposes but don't really matter.
     
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  15. willia451

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    You're wrong. JG specifically said he spiked the ball to save the timeout in case they needed it for the FG.

    "Keeping the timeout to be able to kick a field goal is really important if you can do it. So in those situations when you make a first down, we believe clock it there so you keep the timeout in your back pocket. Obviously, in that situation we're trying to go down there and score a touchdown, so you want to keep as much time on the clock as you can," Garrett said. "If the clock is going and you need a timeout to get yourself in field goal range, you have that one still available to you."

    So he spiked the ball, used a down, and saved the timeout to ensure he would have enough time to kick a FG if they couldn't get a TD.

    In other words. He was consciously playing not to lose. He might not look at it that way. And maybe you don't either. But that is exactly what it was. Throwing away a down to save a timeout to ensure you have enough time later to get into FG range if you need it.

    I mean. Why not just run a play?

    What spiking the ball also did was take the run almost completely off the table on 2nd down and allow the GB defense, which was gassed, a 40 second break and time to get re-organized.

    Is what it is now.
     
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  16. Baileyneverfailey

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    Yeah, I mean it's not like I'm saying forget about the bad decision on the spike. I'm pissed that Garrett won't even admit or doesn't think it was a mistake. It just wasn't the last straw or the only thing that did it. Still something that shouldn't happen.
     
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  17. Nightman

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    Exactly.......the game being tied is huge..........plus the clock was stopped because of the PITT penalty and we were already in FG range.......plus we still had a TO
     
  18. Nightman

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    Playing for the TD without blowing the chance at the game tying FG is hardly a mistake or playing not to lose....... we were NEVER winning

    Knowing the outcome now we all want to run the clock down and kick the FG but at the time everyone wanted to win
     
  19. aikemirv

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    The point was that nobody would have considered Garrett a coward if he ran the ball on 3rd and 2, or ran the ball at any time down there! Not comparing the situations as far as lead or not leading or tied. Zeke can break one at any time was the point - it is not a coward move!
     
  20. Eric_Boyer

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    lol. that is exactly what I am saying too, so you are wrong, and suck at reading comprehension

    the middle of the field - as in we are tackled in bounds and the clock keeps running. hey look, good thing we saved that timeout so we could kick the field goal
     

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