Jerry Jones and NFLPA working to change NFL Marijuana policy

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Oh yeah, brudda, breathalyzer is on the lower ends of detecting booze. :) "Detecting" is the key word, not whether one is drunk or not.

Gordon being detected (i.e. testing positive, not necessarily being drunk) for alcohol would flag him.

The whole drug thing gets me going.

The most widely used(and abused) psychoactive drug is..... caffeine. No one thinks twice about it.
 

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Well we are discussing football. Randy Gregory's ability to get with this team and play has been blocked by a misinformed moralistic regulations.


gimmesix you have every right in your stance but there are extremely varying points of view on this matter .
Like i previously said I'm not a user but long ago I was and I know it's a harmless herb. There is plenty of evidence to back it up.
There are lots of politics involved such as for-profit prison system that has every thing to gain by housing harmless users.
That's whats criminal.

And as a member of a nonprofit substance abuse eradication committee who has looked at numerous studies, many conducted by those with no political interests involved, I completely disagree with your assessment.

Every drug has its place, but abuse of any drug does not. Randy Gregory is a drug abuser because it is clear he cannot keep himself clean even when it is a requirement of his employment. If we are discussing football, then that's what is criminal, not the fact that there is a system in place that he has to adhere to.

If my boss required me to keep my hair a certain length in order to work here, then I would keep my hair a certain length in order to work here or find another job where that isn't a requirement. It's silly that Gregory cannot stay off a "harmless herb" in order to play football.
 

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the biggest issue with allowing pot is their market.
i can see nba market being much more tolerant with pot than nfl.
question is what does mlb do?

the other problem is that changing a policy would attract attention.
they dont want to rile up portions of the fanbase that would disapprove, but i suspect they would not lose fans because of it.
neither the lilly white NHL nor MLB test for weed.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/nfl-nba-mlb-nhl-test-marijuana-article-1.2732129


this is a non-issue that the NFL has made an issue in attempt to get concessions from the players in other areas.
it's pointless.
the NFLPA gave us any fight for it when it was apparent it would require concessions but they were smart enough to realize this issue would be handled before 2020.
this is really a timing issue at this point and nothing else.

eventually weed will be legal on a national level as it's benefits to taxes are enormous.
 
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neither the lilly white NHL nor MLB test for weed.
this is a non-issue that the NFL has made an issue in attempt to get concessions from the players in other areas.
it's pointless.
the NFLPA gave us any fight for it when it was apparent it would require concessions but they were smart enough to realize this issue would be handled before 2020.
this is really a timing issue at this point and nothing else.

eventually weed will be legal on a national level as it's benefits to taxes are enormous.

A revenue source ?
It's a weed and grows like one, those Mexican migrants pulling the 'boxcar Willy' have scattered seeds along the nations RxR track system since ,,,well, since we've had trains and Mexican migrants,,, it's gonna be hard to enforce a tax like that,,, prolly have to add an 'M' somewhere in A.T.F.E.
 
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neither the lilly white NHL nor MLB test for weed.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/nfl-nba-mlb-nhl-test-marijuana-article-1.2732129


this is a non-issue that the NFL has made an issue in attempt to get concessions from the players in other areas.
it's pointless.
the NFLPA gave us any fight for it when it was apparent it would require concessions but they were smart enough to realize this issue would be handled before 2020.
this is really a timing issue at this point and nothing else.

eventually weed will be legal on a national level as it's benefits to taxes are enormous.
Would generate more in taxes, nationally, than all fruits and vegetables combined. I read an estimated $30 B in taxes annually, J.
 

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A revenue source ?
It's a weed and grows like one, those Mexican migrants pulling the 'boxcar Willy' have scattered weeds along the nations RxR track system since ,,,well, since we've had trains and Mexican migrants,,, it's gonna be hard to enforce a tax like that,,, prolly have to add an 'M' somewhere in A.T.F.E.
Bro, have you not been paying attention to Colorado or California?
Marijuana is bringing is insane revenue streams in those states.

Through October 2016 , Colorado had collected more than $150 million in taxes YTD from legal marijuana sales, including nearly $50 million from a specific excise tax that directs funds to school construction projects. The first $40 million collected annually from the excise tax is earmarked for the school projects.
 

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And as a member of a nonprofit substance abuse eradication committee who has looked at numerous studies, many conducted by those with no political interests involved, I completely disagree with your assessment.

Every drug has its place, but abuse of any drug does not. Randy Gregory is a drug abuser because it is clear he cannot keep himself clean even when it is a requirement of his employment. If we are discussing football, then that's what is criminal, not the fact that there is a system in place that he has to adhere to.

If my boss required me to keep my hair a certain length in order to work here, then I would keep my hair a certain length in order to work here or find another job where that isn't a requirement. It's silly that Gregory cannot stay off a "harmless herb" in order to play football.
this is harsh i know but this borders on willfully stupid.
randy gregory has been diagnosed with bipolar and other mental disorders where marijuana/THC is found to be the safest, most effective treatment by a wide swath of doctors and medical personnel.
asking someone to risk mental health is hardly comparable to someone getting tattooed or wearing their hair long by choice.
and it is very offensive to pretend such.
 

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Bro, have you not been paying attention to Colorado or California?
Marijuana is bringing is insane revenue streams in those states.

Through October 2016 , Colorado had collected more than $150 million in taxes YTD from legal marijuana sales, including nearly $50 million from a specific excise tax that directs funds to school construction projects. The first $40 million collected annually from the excise tax is earmarked for the school projects.
Actually I've not, the whole tax revenues for schools scam? I've followed it long enough to know it's a scam
 

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Actually I've not, the whole tax revenues for schools scam? I've followed it long enough to know it's a scam
Individual municipalities took money and earmarked it elsewhere other than schools but the tax revenue is very real and most municipalities did in fact use it toward school projects.
Part of what Colorado did was allow municipalities a large say.

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/revenue/colorado-marijuana-tax-data


In February 2015, the state of Colorado reported that tax collection figures for 2014, the first year of legal commercial sales, reached a total of $44 million from recreational marijuana with a further $32 million collected from fees on the industry and pre-existing taxes on medical marijuana.[57] These sales and excise tax figures do not include the corporate and personal income taxes generated by businesses and employees working in the state's marijuana industry.[58] The state Department of Revenue reported that official sales of recreational and medical marijuana from dispensaries reached over $996 million in 2015; a $297 million increase from the $699 million sold in 2014. The 2015 sales alone generated $135 million of tax revenue, $35 million of which are being used for the Education Center construction projects.[59]
 

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I've been saying for a while that the NFL should not ban cannibas. It's not a performance-enhancing drug, and it's legal in several states now.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?tid=ss_tw-amp

‘Managing it with pills was slowly killing me’

BOULDER, Colo. — One by one, they entered a nondescript building on the eastern edge of town, 18,000 square feet with no signage out front. They came looking for relief. These nine former professional football players are part of the Denver Broncos Alumni Association. They played in nearly 700 NFL games combined and have enough aches and pains to keep an entire hospital staff busy.

“Every day, I wake up in pain, from my ankles to my neck,” said Ebenezer Ekuban, 40, who played defensive end for nine NFL seasons. “It’s part of the territory. I know what I signed up for.”

rest as link... worth a read.

----Only shocking this is Ekuban wasn't called a former Cowboy.
 

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Tristan do you sell to any of the local dispenseries? I'm up in Valencia. I'd throw a board member my money any day!
I mostly provide genetics to growers and work on isolating the desired or elite phenotypes.

I usually donate my extra herb to the collective here in Tahoe or my friends delivery service.

If youre ever up this way, and you should, tahoe is the most beautiful place Ive ever been except a my home of Hawaii, then I could take care of you.

If you need babies or seeds to grow youre own I really do have the best genetics from SD to Portland. Right now I have a phenominal cut I call "Scooby snax#7" that is a rare cross of (LA Platinum Blue Dream x Thin Mints Girl Scout Cookies) that is Cup winning genetics.

My old basketball buddy works with a few Rappers and shared some with Two Chains and he loved it! Said it was as good as hes had lol!

Youre above LA so if you get a chance to go down to Venice Beach there are several great collectives/shops real close to the Venice circle, theres like 10 within 4 blocks.

I reccomend Green Goddess, Green Cure, The Farmacy on abbott kinney, the best og in LA is the 213 OG on Rose ave. (213 Rose ave, Venice), in Santa Monica I reccomend "willshire healing".
 

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And as a member of a nonprofit substance abuse eradication committee who has looked at numerous studies, many conducted by those with no political interests involved, I completely disagree with your assessment.

Every drug has its place, but abuse of any drug does not. Randy Gregory is a drug abuser because it is clear he cannot keep himself clean even when it is a requirement of his employment. If we are discussing football, then that's what is criminal, not the fact that there is a system in place that he has to adhere to.

If my boss required me to keep my hair a certain length in order to work here, then I would keep my hair a certain length in order to work here or find another job where that isn't a requirement. It's silly that Gregory cannot stay off a "harmless herb" in order to play football.

This is nonsense again. NIDA poisoned the US scientific study on pot. It's only been in the past couple of years that hypothesis or results were allowed to be anything other than negative. Educate yourself:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-behind-the-dea-s-long-war-on-marijuana/

Further, if he is taking it as a medicine for a disorder, you have no grounds. You wouldn't ask a bipolar to go off his lithium for a month. You wouldn't tell a diabetic to come off his medicine for a month. But you judge Randy because he doesn't want to come off his medication for a month. It's horse****.

And the NFL is not a company. Randy's boss is Jerry Jones. What does Jerry think?
 

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https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/does-marijuana-use-affect-driving

Marijuana is the illicit drug most frequently found in the blood of drivers who have been involved in vehicle crashes, including fatal ones.10 Two large European studies found that drivers with THC in their blood were roughly twice as likely to be culpable for a fatal crash than drivers who had not used drugs or alcohol.11,12 However, the role played by marijuana in crashes is often unclear because it can be detected in body fluids for days or even weeks after intoxication and because people frequently combine it with alcohol. Those involved in vehicle crashes with THC in their blood, particularly higher levels, are three to seven times more likely to be responsible for the incident than drivers who had not used drugs or alcohol. The risk associated with marijuana in combination with alcohol appears to be greater than that for either drug by itself.8

Several meta-analyses of multiple studies found that the risk of being involved in a crash significantly increased after marijuana use13—in a few cases, the risk doubled or more than doubled.14–16 However, a large case-control study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration found no significant increased crash risk attributable to cannabis after controlling for drivers’ age, gender, race, and presence of alcohol.


Endogenous cannabinoids
such as anandamide (see figure) function as neurotransmitters because they send chemical messages between nerve cells (neurons) throughout the nervous system. They affect brain areas that influence pleasure, memory, thinking, concentration, movement, coordination, and sensory and time perception. Because of this similarity, THC is able to attach to molecules called cannabinoid receptors on neurons in these brain areas and activate them, disrupting various mental and physical functions and causing the effects described earlier. The neural communication network that uses these cannabinoid neurotransmitters, known as the endocannabinoid system, plays a critical role in the nervous system’s normal functioning, so interfering with it can have profound effects.

For example, THC is able to alter the functioning of the hippocampus (see "Marijuana, Memory, and the Hippocampus") and orbitofrontal cortex, brain areas that enable a person to form new memories and shift his or her attentional focus. As a result, using marijuana causes impaired thinking and interferes with a person’s ability to learn and perform complicated tasks. THC also disrupts functioning of the cerebellum and basal ganglia, brain areas that regulate balance, posture, coordination, and reaction time. This is the reason people who have used marijuana may not be able to drive safely (see "Does marijuana use affect driving?") and may have problems playing sports or engaging in other physical activities.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-behind-the-dea-s-long-war-on-marijuana/
 

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I mostly provide genetics to growers and work on isolating the desired or elite phenotypes.

I usually donate my extra herb to the collective here in Tahoe or my friends delivery service.

If youre ever up this way, and you should, tahoe is the most beautiful place Ive ever been except a my home of Hawaii, then I could take care of you.

If you need babies or seeds to grow youre own I really do have the best genetics from SD to Portland. Right now I have a phenominal cut I call "Scooby snax#7" that is a rare cross of (LA Platinum Blue Dream x Thin Mints Girl Scout Cookies) that is Cup winning genetics.

My old basketball buddy works with a few Rappers and shared some with Two Chains and he loved it! Said it was as good as hes had lol!

Youre above LA so if you get a chance to go down to Venice Beach there are several great collectives/shops real close to the Venice circle, theres like 10 within 4 blocks.

I reccomend Green Goddess, Green Cure, The Farmacy on abbott kinney, the best og in LA is the 213 OG on Rose ave. (213 Rose ave, Venice), in Santa Monica I reccomend "willshire healing".


I usually support our local delivery service, and they take real good care of me. If I'm out and about I found a great one just about 8 miles south of Valencia. They've got some hot bud tenders working there and 420 was epic at their location.

I switched from the pills to pot a few years ago, and it was the best decision I made for my back. My insides were getting torn up from the pills, shots and other crap the docs kept loading me up with. One day I said to my doc, you know I feel stupid on these pills and I hate how they make me feel, and he asked me what do you want to do? I said kick them cold turkey and smoke. He said he's an advocate and he supported me.

I recently discovered this company called Turtle Wax when I was at a Cannibis Farmers market back in Feb down in San Diego at an old church and that stuff was amazing!

I will def reach out if/when I head that way! Tahoe is beautiful, but I don't like the elevation for my boat, so I'm usually at my vacation home in AZ on the river. I will say it sucks when I'm there as it's not legal, so I always have to be discreet.
 

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This is nonsense again. NIDA poisoned the US scientific study on pot. It's only been in the past couple of years that hypothesis or results were allowed to be anything other than negative. Educate yourself:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-behind-the-dea-s-long-war-on-marijuana/

Further, if he is taking it as a medicine for a disorder, you have no grounds. You wouldn't ask a bipolar to go off his lithium for a month. You wouldn't tell a diabetic to come off his medicine for a month. But you judge Randy because he doesn't want to come off his medication for a month. It's horse****.

And the NFL is not a company. Randy's boss is Jerry Jones. What does Jerry think?

This is true.
It happened to my parent who was doing the drug abuse research in 1980's.
They thought they were going to change the world with their data.
Little did they know they were going to be suppressed by their funding agency.
Many of these groups were pissed and left the research field.

I just asked this morning this question:
if your son was going to be hooked on drugs, give me your preference.
The answer: caffeine > pot > alcohol > cocaine > designer stuff
Forgot to ask about nicotine
This is for a healthy person.
 

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So the same league that recklessly dishes out painkillers to keep players on the field is still worried about players getting hooked on Marijuana? Yeah, makes perfect sense.
Make no mistake, the crusty old white dudes who own NFL franchises are worried about the image of the league. That's all that this argument is about. The addictive argument is a red herring.
 
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