Dez criticism on NFL network

Kevinicus

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Sideline pass. Dak scrambled, Dez ran what looked like a short out route, stopped and then tried to slide into the gap between the CB and S. Dak threw it, it was high but a catchable ball, but Dez short armed it as he was about to get hit by Malcom Jenkins I believe.

I'd have to rewatch it, but it didn't look like alligator arms when I saw it live. Looked like Dez gave it his all just to get to it at all. Unless I'm still thinking of a different play.
 

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I'd have to rewatch it, but it didn't look like alligator arms when I saw it live. Looked like Dez gave it his all just to get to it at all. Unless I'm still thinking of a different play.

I think Collinsworth pointed out that it's a ball he probably should have gotten. Alligator arms might be a bit strong but he certainly didn't give a full effort IMO.

But again, this isn't to take sides with Dak here. He's had his own issues. But this notion that Dez is some unfortunate victim of bad QB play is bizarre IMO.
 

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Yeah but like three of those picks are because some of our WRs have stone hands.

I don't know if he can or the coaches simply don't try it, but I would like to see us use the middle of the field more. Crossing routes, etc. Our offense seems to be jump balls and nothing but short outs.

I hate our coaches but that isn't on them. Dak doesn't read things very well.
 

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I agree that the blame is shared. There seems to be a tendency for fans/commentators to lean one way or the other — Dez isn't any good or Dak isn't throwing him good balls. Those of us who watch our team game in and game out should recognize that sometimes Dez doesn't get open, sometimes he's dropping the ball, sometimes he's running poor routes, sometimes he's not timing his jumps well, while there are plenty of other times where he is open, where Dak just didn't see him or didn't get to him in the progression and where Dak just flat out didn't put the ball where it needed to be.

If we went back during each game and counted the number of time Dez and Dak should have connected, we'd probably be amazed at the number. But they are not connecting like they should and that's a problem.

It's up to the QB to make his WRs better. Romo did it with Austin, Robinson, Dez etc. He figured out those guys tendencies and got them on page with him.

Dak on the other hand has no specific chemistry with any of them. Beasley would be tearing it up with a good passer.
 

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It's up to the QB to make his WRs better. Romo did it with Austin, Robinson, Dez etc. He figured out those guys tendencies and got them on page with him.

Dak on the other hand has no specific chemistry with any of them. Beasley would be tearing it up with a good passer.

And yet Beasley tore it up with Dak last year.

The issues here run a lot deeper than Dak sucking, which seems to be the direction you want to take.
 

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Actually some have done that...........

And FWIW, I am in no way suggesting we need to dump Dez or anything like that. But let's call a spade a spade........... he shouldn't be free from heavy criticism here just like Dak and the coaching staff.

Frankly, this is why I am bullish on blowing this thing up from a coaching perspective. I don't want to waste another year of Dak development and another year of Dez still having some talent on this mediocre coaching staff.

Dez has gotten crucified 1000 times over here, I have only recently seen any criticism of Dak outside of a couple of posters. Everyone deserves it right now.


But there is always something with this team. I've been for a new coaches since 2010. But really the whole thing needs blown up. Stars no they will be coddled, protected and paid. Dak had one good year and that will buy him 5 years regardless.

I am surprised at how no one is on Dak about all the endorsements. Parcells drilled that into Romo pretty good from 2006 through about 2013. Cant really quantify, but this team ate the cheese for sure
 

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And yet Beasley tore it up with Dak last year.

The issues here run a lot deeper than Dak sucking, which seems to be the tact you want to take.

I agree our coaches suck. I've always said Dak is good but he is regressing.
 

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I agree our coaches suck. I've always said Dak is good but he is regressing.

Which is why I am fiercely on the blow up the coaching staff train.

Unfortunately I suspect we are going to piss away Dak's development, this OL's prime years and Dez's prime years with Garrett at the helm.

I've said it before......... he's going to be our Marvin Lewis.
 

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He has 7 picks already this year. Sounds risky to me.

Dak has stunk it up when we needed him most this season. He's regressed.

Dak played great up until the last two games from where I am standing. Take away Zeke and his stud LT put him up against one of the best defenses and teams in the NFL and what would you expect? Im not under any illussions that Dak is Brady in his prime. And his coaches stink also. I think he should have played better then he did against Philly, but I dont write a guy off with those parameters after two poor games. But some like you have probably just been waiting for a stretch like this I would bet.

We were lucky to have Romo the last 10 years and now we are lucky to have Dak for the next 10. That is the way I see it. Neither one is Brady. In fact if pressed right now I would take young QB's like Wilson, Watson, and Wentz over Dak. But Dak is right there or a hair under in my opinion.
 

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Yeah but like three of those picks are because some of our WRs have stone hands.

I don't know if he can or the coaches simply don't try it, but I would like to see us use the middle of the field more. Crossing routes, etc. Our offense seems to be jump balls and nothing but short outs.

Wentz has 6 picks this year also.
 

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I hate our coaches but that isn't on them. Dak doesn't read things very well.

What the coaches need to take away from this year and last year is that not only is Dez on the decline, but he doesnt fit well with the way Dak plays the game. And considering how Dez is way overpaid at around 16 million a year there should be bells going off that its time for Dez to go. No sense paying a guy that kind of money that doesnt have the connection with his QB. Dak isnt going anywhere so we need to get guys in here he can have a great connection with. That isnt Dez.
 

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And 9 wins.

Its picks you were complaining about. Dak is 18-8 his first two years. What are you going to complain about now? I guess you can just pidgeon hole the last two games like you have been.
 

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I think it can be several factors. Dez doesn't look as explosive/confidant as he did in seasons past, but how much is physical and how much mental? How much does the past injuries affect him? We've seen Dez, even durng the Romo years disappear when facing top DBs and his own emotion taking him out of games. Even before Dak, it wasn't unusual to see Dez get moody or lazy as a game progressed.

How much is the actual scheme, we've been running this same basic offense for years. I can think of a number of times opposing defenses were calling out our plays. It's tough to beat your man or get open when everyone knows what you're gonna run. How much more effective would Dez, actually all our WRs, be with a new offense? Beasely basically, only runs two routes, Dez has limited routes, Witt only has a couple routes as well. Would new receivers be any better running the same routes and plays that we do now? I can think of a ton of Romo games where the offense couldn't move the ball for squat, until we were behind and scrapped the game plan and went into Romo playground scramble mode. It's been said long before Dak arrived, Tony covered a lot of coaching warts.

How much is on Dak? He hasn't looked good, many inaccurate passes, missing some reads. Dak is in his second year, he doesn't have the experience Tony did, especially in reading defenses and changing plays. Everyone knows that Dez's biggest strength is to go up after contested balls, Tony threw those type balls well. Dak has been coached from the beginning to not take chances, don't force balls, does he trust Dez enough or his own accuracy enough to throw those? There's more pressure on him to have to make those type plays now, and pass protection has been horrendous.

I think it's a combination of things. His production right now, isn't worth the contract, but I also don't think it's all on Dez.
 

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I think he's just gun shy after being demolished by ATL. He's been sacked 12 times in 2 games. That's insane. They might have ruined him.

If he's ruined by two games of feeling a pass rush, and TBH, the pass protection against the Eagles wasn't THAT bad, then Prescott was never going to be mentally strong enough to be a franchise QB.

I don't think that he is ruined. I think he is struggling big time with his mechanics, and is pressing far too much. He is also a guy who likes to make safe throws to open WRs, and not throw into tight windows or throw guys open. I think his issues with driving the ball downfield and his accuracy issues past 10 yards is entirely due to footwork.
 

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If he's ruined by two games of feeling a pass rush, and TBH, the pass protection against the Eagles wasn't THAT bad, then Prescott was never going to be mentally strong enough to be a franchise QB.

I don't think that he is ruined. I think he is struggling big time with his mechanics, and is pressing far too much. He is also a guy who likes to make safe throws to open WRs, and not throw into tight windows or throw guys open. I think his issues with driving the ball downfield and his accuracy issues past 10 yards is entirely due to footwork.


This is true.

Dak’s long accuracy issues are all due to footwork mechanics. It’s not because he doesn’t have the arm for it. Because he had plenty of arm strength.

Last season, his footwork and long balls got better as the season went on. He was hitting receivers for 20+ yards plenty.

This year that hasn’t happened as much.
 

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Let them say he's a "top 10 receiver" and worth the top 5 money he's being paid. The only thing they succeed in doing is indicting their own credibility.

This has quickly moved into one of those "cap conversations" that needs to happen between player and management.

Given what an emotional guy Dez is, I can't help but wonder how that conversation will go. But it's obvious that it needs to happen after this season.

I'm pretty sure that the die hard Dez supporters/appologists have been waiting with baited breath for the Dez breakout game so that they can yell "see I told you Dez is still a beast!" We are 10 games into this year and Dez hasn't had one yet. Even the most ardent Dez supporter has to ask is the party over for Dez?

Dez hasn't been the same player since he signed his contract. If you go back and look at the good games he has played since his contract extension NONE of them have occurred against teams with a really good corner or better.

The last game I remember that Dez had any meaningful impact was against Green Bay with a decimated secondary. They were literally playing street free agent type of players.

If you put a single good corner on him he is done. This isn't a single season phenomenon.
 

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Don't want to start another thread, so I'll put this here. This might be the year to look for WR in the first 2 rounds to pair up with Dez. A lot of guys here who are taIl and have plus route running. I think this would make all our WRs better.

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/draft2018WR.php
 
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