CZ POLL Should Jason Garrett be fired?

[aria]

Exactly. It isn't like the ones that want Garrett gone aren't aware that we have one of the worse GM's in football. Nothing can be done about that.

I understand that which is also why I think JG doesn't deserve to be fired under the circumstances, look at who and what he's dealing with. If we had a real GM, we would most likely have real depth and less suspensions in which case I wouldn't give JG a free pass but we don't. We have an owner who likes to think he's a GM and cripples coaches with his high risk choices and his history of signing certain players just to stay in the news.

Any hope of getting a real coach in here could happen if someone like Parcells laid down the law to Jerry and my hope would be that maybe once that old senile fool got a good taste of victory perhaps he would finally stop meddling where he shouldn't be but we all know that won't happen.

 

[Jake]

Like I said, I would give him one more year and the reasons the wheels don't fall off when other teams lose players is because they have a GM that has either drafted them depth or goes out in FA to help the problem. Our GM has done little to nothing. Also, there's a difference between losing one or two key players vs 3-4 pro bowlers.

The coaches you mentioned are also elite and obviously better then Garrett but I'm also very skeptical anyone of that caliber would ever come here due to Jerry. Garrett also had to deal with the Romo injury fiasco with Weeden, there's no overcoming that no matter who your coach is.

Again, one more year with no major incidents and even just a decent draft or FA moves to add some depth. If he doesn't produce then throw him out.

BTW, a lot of times the teams that have everything go just right and make it to the playoffs are the ones with the least injuries and/or suspensions so the Cowboys season last year was very similar to a lot of teams.

It seems your reasoning boils down to the notion that any coach is pretty much screwed under Jerry Jones. I can't entirely disagree with that, and I've seen little to suggest Stephen is any better.

But I a disagree that every other coach I referenced is "elite" - McCarthy? Tomlin? Carroll? Is the consensus that those are elite coaches, in the class of Belichik? I don't think so, yet those coaches have managed to keep their teams afloat in spite of losing guys like Roethlisberger, Bell, half the starting line up in McCarthy's case, and JAG backs/receivers in Carroll's case. Then there's Belichik, who took a guy who didn't even see the field in college and went 11-5 when Brady went down. That same guy could barely win a game in Dallas.

A coach who can win when everything falls into place is nothing special. Leadership is revealed when things don't go as planned - do they come up with a new plan and at least compete or do the wheels fall off? What we've seen with Garrett is the wheels fall off. Jerry's fault? Go that route if you like but it takes us back to my first sentence - there's nothing special about a coach who can win when everything falls into place.

By the way, while you're patting yourself on the back about the secondary by dredging up 10 month old threads I'll share my only post in that thread here:

The starters leaving were starters for a reason. If they were so easy for the Cowboys to replace, they wouldn't have been starters.

Happy? Let's see who we get to replace them. The notion that "anyone else would be better than that guy" is often proven incorrect. Time will tell.

Time is telling, and not just about the secondary.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Should've been fired years ago. Course, wish the Jones' would've sold the team years ago as well.

 

[Rockport]

That's what he does. He attacks fellow fans.

Only ignorant ones

 

[Stash]

Only ignorant ones

Keep telling yourself that. That's all you do is to go after and attack fellow fans. You bring nothing of substance to actual football discussions.

If anyone is "ignorant", it's you. The guy who knows nothing more than how to attack other people and start hostilities.

You're a blemish to this board.

But make sure to run and talk bad about this board and everyone on it in your "travels".

 

[aria]

It seems your reasoning boils down to the notion that any coach is pretty much screwed under Jerry Jones. I can't entirely disagree with that, and I've seen little to suggest Stephen is any better.

But I a disagree that every other coach I referenced is "elite" - McCarthy? Tomlin? Carroll? Is the consensus that those are elite coaches, in the class of Belichik? I don't think so, yet those coaches have managed to keep their teams afloat in spite of losing guys like Roethlisberger, Bell, half the starting line up in McCarthy's case, and JAG backs/receivers in Carroll's case. Then there's Belichik, who took a guy who didn't even see the field in college and went 11-5 when Brady went down. That same guy could barely win a game in Dallas.

A coach who can win when everything falls into place is nothing special. Leadership is revealed when things don't go as planned - do they come up with a new plan and at least compete or do the wheels fall off? What we've seen with Garrett is the wheels fall off. Jerry's fault? Go that route if you like but it takes us back to my first sentence - there's nothing special about a coach who can win when everything falls into place.

By the way, while you're patting yourself on the back about the secondary by dredging up 10 month old threads I'll share my only post in that thread here:

The starters leaving were starters for a reason. If they were so easy for the Cowboys to replace, they wouldn't have been starters.

Happy? Let's see who we get to replace them. The notion that "anyone else would be better than that guy" is often proven incorrect. Time will tell.

Time is telling, and not just about the secondary.

It wasn't patting myself on the back although I did state I never thought it was a good idea. I brought that up because I was reading another thread, shaking my head at some of the hypocrites here who change their views every other week and then try to tell everyone else how wrong they are and how they're always right. Plus I actually found it quite entertaining to see some of the names of the people behind those comments. Maybe I'll bring up an old Dak thread too just so we can see how many of the same people who were calling him our franchise QB, have to save cap space to pay him in a few years, etc are now some of the same ones calling for his head after a few lousy games in his second year.

Off to the gym, I'll try to respond in more detail later but you bring up some pretty good points. However I don't completely agree with the wheels falling off as much as you do. Again, I'm not saying JG is a great coach I'm just saying I don't think he should be fired right now.

 

[jwitten82]

Here is a classic post representing the ignorant arm chair fans here. If the only person in the Cowboy organization that deserves blame is the GM/owner. The players aren’t going to play for someone who came out so hard against Kapernecki.

Lmao, youre a joke. You NEVER explain why the team won 3 in a row after jerry said what he said Mr. Fify yard line

 

[BHendri5]

Yea Jerry don't listen to idiot fans.....

7 years is long enough to know if they are headed in the right direction.

Oh wait you want a guy like Bill cowher it only took him 15 yrs to win 1 superbowl in pittsburg. Yep Jerry will not listen to people like you. Garrett is the right guy. You seem to be a product of todays generation of right now, you want things handed to you

 

[BobSacamano]

How any thread with the heading 'should Garrett be fired?' have anything but 10,000 monosyllabic 'no's' is beyond me.

 

[pansophy]

carr and mo in dallas - ok performance
carr and mo after dallas - top 10 rated DBs
sounds like the coaches and their prevent scheme to me.

That was true for players that left under Parcells and Zimmer too.

 

[BHendri5]

Exactly
What other coach could possibly spout a bunch of cliches on his way to 8-8

Wait, I got it

Garrett is the red headed version of Herm Edwards

No, he is light years better than Edwards. Now I will say this and I have said this before, I got this from your boy Jimmy Johnson, a HC is only as good as his staff, Garrett needs to get with Jerry with Stephen and get them to let him pick his own staff, well he did get to pick Linehan, but the others were picked by Jerry I believe.

 

[Rockport]

Keep telling yourself that. That's all you do is to go after and attack fellow fans. You bring nothing of substance to actual football discussions.

If anyone is "ignorant", it's you. The guy who knows nothing more than how to attack other people and start hostilities.

You're a blemish to this board.

But make sure to run and talk bad about this board and everyone on it in your "travels".

I don't attack anyone like you are attacking me for having an opinion. Your guilty conscious is showing.

 

[Rockport]

Lmao, youre a joke. You NEVER explain why the team won 3 in a row after jerry said what he said Mr. Fify yard line

Because you lack the skills to understand. I'm smart enough to know not to waste my time with the likes of you.

 

[Stash]

Oh wait you want a guy like Bill cowher it only took him 15 yrs to win 1 superbowl in pittsburg. Yep Jerry will not listen to people like you. Garrett is the right guy. You seem to be a product of todays generation of right now, you want things handed to you

Here, you obviously need the information:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cowher

Cowher had success immediately, with an 11-5 season. In the playoffs his first season. In the AFC Championshio Game in his third. The Suoer Bowl in his fourth.

You let everybody know when Garrett has ever come close.

Hang your head.

 

[Stash]

I don't attack anyone like you are attacking me for having an opinion. Your guilty conscious is showing.

You attack everyone. And that's all you do. You bring nothing to a football conversation and your only contributions are to attack other and to bring strife and misery. Be thankful I don't have the power to do anything about it, because you'd be history if I did. How you've lasted this long is a mystery.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Oh wait you want a guy like Bill cowher it only took him 15 yrs to win 1 superbowl in pittsburg. Yep Jerry will not listen to people like you. Garrett is the right guy. You seem to be a product of todays generation of right now, you want things handed to you

And how many playoff wins and championship game appearances did he have including 1 SB loss. We have one playoff win in 7 plus years. Jason Garrett would be lucky to be half the coach Bill Cowher is.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Lmao, youre a joke. You NEVER explain why the team won 3 in a row after jerry said what he said Mr. Fify yard line

And if we go on a winning streak when Zeke comes back he still won't respond to it.

 

[jwitten82]

Because you lack the skills to understand. I'm smart enough to know not to waste my time with the likes of you.

Lol okay mr fify

 

[Rockport]

You attack everyone. And that's all you do. You bring nothing to a football conversation and your only contributions are to attack other and to bring strife and misery. Be thankful I don't have the power to do anything about it, because you'd be history if I did. How you've lasted this long is a mystery.

Please don't lie like that. I only question arm chair fans who think that know everything like yourself. And your little keyboard warrior threats are really funny.

 

[Alexander]

I understand every team will have injuries and maybe even some suspensions but if another 3-4 Pro Bowlers, including our starting RB, LT, Linebacker, DE, etc are out for any length of time then I wouldn't/couldn't endorse firing him. Most coaches wouldn't have as good as success if that happened on their team and probably no coach would have success if they had the lack of depth we do.

Seriously, we have a LB who runs like a cheetah on 3 broken legs and looks lost on the field. A fine Jerry pick, another dumb risk he took that many supported. A back up tackle that is a turnstile. An almost entire rookie secondary that is plagued with inexperience and injuries. A QB who some were praising last year and are now saying he's over rated and can't throw.

These aren't just convenient excuses, they're real problems created by Jerry.

I won't argue about the Jones part. But Garrett is visibly challenged by adversity and he has slipped in his ability to field a scratching, battling bunch.