Texans Interested in McClay?

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because lots of people who have or currently work in the building tell us on a regular basis on radio shows and twitter.

Well yeah, because we know the news media never creates or exaggerates to get ratings or viewership or followers.

I mean there are a lot of people in my company that think they know how the organization works and they absolutely know nothing.
 
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Half of this board would be all this if he left:

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Hope we are smart enough to see his value and keep him
 

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OK.

Who are we blaming again?

The coaches or the athletes?

This board is confusing the hell out of me....................

I lay fault at the very top-with Jerry Jones. All I was saying is our drafting has left us with no depth...
 

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No worries. The proactive ownership has a list of candidates for replacement.
 

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They extended 35 year old Jason Peters at 3 years and 32.5m.

Peters received a one year extension.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/06/14/eagles-jason-peters-contract-extension

They extended 27 year old Jeffrey at 4 years and 52M with half that GTD. Makes him 32 when they deal is done...

Dez Bryant signed a 5-year, $70 million contract in 2015, the year he turned - 27 years old.

He will also turn 32 in 2020, the year his deal is done.

Jernigan they traded for then extended at 4 years and 48 million for the cost of a 4th round pick worth of value.

The Cowboys traded a 6th round pick to Cincinnati for Bene Benwikere.

They've already structured all the deals to be 2018 friendly and yet are still 7M over the cap.
Wake up man. That's as overrated a situation as exists anywhere.

#1seed in the NFC is now "overrated"? Sign me up for overrated then.
 

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Well yeah, because we know the news media never creates or exaggerates to get ratings or viewership or followers.

I mean there are a lot of people in my company that think they know how the organization works and they absolutely know nothing.
I'm not talking about media.
I'm talking about actual scouts, Stephen Jones, players.
The info is out there and it's consistent.
McClay is and has been the primary personnel guy.
He was promoted over Cisnowki.
Neither Stephen or Jerry have ever scouted a player or put a name on a board.

Not sure why you seem to think this stuff is hard to figure out or some weird trade secret.

And I'm guessing you guys don't do tours of your office daily or keep a radio station's worth of equipment in the building to host shows around the corner from the scouts offices?
 

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No worries. The proactive ownership has a list of candidates for replacement.
That is the scary thing.
If they are tossed a curveball and McClay leaves they likely have no trust in anyone else and just promote Cisnowski.
It takes the Jones' years to trust someone.
 

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They extended 35 year old Jason Peters at 3 years and 32.5m.
They extended 27 year old Jeffrey at 4 years and 52M with half that GTD. Makes him 32 when they deal is done...
Jernigan they traded for then extended at 4 years and 48 million for the cost of a 4th round pick worth of value.

They've already structured all the deals to be 2018 friendly and yet are still 7M over the cap.
Wake up man. That's as overrated a situation as exists anywhere.

So then I assume you think when the Cowboys signed Dez Bryant it was a bad deal, right? If Jeffrey's deal is bad, Bryant's was worse.

At age 30, the Cowboys can dump Bryant pre-June 1 for $8MM in dead money and $8.5MM in cap savings. When Jeffrey reaches 30, the Eagles can dump him for only a $6MM dead money hit and $10MM in savings.
 

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It is really hard to tell with McClay, because we don't actually know what are his moves and what aren't. I wasn't actually sure when he came aboard so I went to the Cowboys team page to see. I went to the "Coaches & Executives" page and it was weird, because McClay is listed nowhere on that page. It has all the coaches, and all the Jones family...but no McClay.

His job description is that he basically is a unifier within the organization, working to get everyone on the same page, from Jerry all the way down to each scout. He supposedly is a non stop machine of reviewing players, searching for fits for the Cowboys. His biggest activities seem related to free agent acquisitions but he apparently has some say in the draft as well. The problem is when evaluating him you don't necessarily know when he deserves blame or praise.

I think the first draft he was involved in here was the 2014 one, which was pretty decent at the top with Martin, Lawrence and Hitchens. Not much after that with only Terrence Mitchell playing still as far as I can see. THe 2015 draft has pretty much turned into a stinker. Byron Jones has not made the switch from athlete to football player and likely is in his last year with the team in 2018 unless something changes. Randy Gregory, well, let's just say whoever believed he could put the weed down got played. Chaz Green looks like he will be out of the league soon, and Damien Wilson is mediocre to average at best. Swaim has hung on and I guess for a 7th rounder has been ok, but overall this draft is not so hot. I would say one more year to evaluate 2016 but so far so good. The Jaylon Smith risk probably wasn't his doing. Same with evaluating the last draft, but initial signs look pretty promising.

If free agency is McClay's baby, then it is hard to see what the hype around him is for. He initially was involved in researching pro personnel around the league and an article I found said his best additions he brought in include Laurent Robinson, Tony Fiammetta, Ernie Sims, George Selvie, Nick Hayden and Rolando McClain. I'd go 50-50 on that group as being positive, with Robinson, Selvie and McClain being good additions. Our offseason free agent acquisitions, mainly lately, have been awful. Nolan Carroll, Cedric Thornton, Stephen Paea, Robert Blanton, Damontre Moore, Jonathan Cooper, Byron Bell, Joe Looney, Benson Mayowa, Alfred Morris, Darren McFadden, Andrew Gachkar, Greg Hardy and Corey White are probably the best known. Of these, the only ones worth a dang while here are Cooper, Morris, McFadden and maybe Hardy. Not exactly a record to be exceedingly proud of. The one thing to consider is that these have all been "value" picks for the most part, guys that for one reason or another where cheaper than they might have been if not for certain issues.

So, trying to determine just exactly how important McClay is really isn't very easy. The Cowboys organization makes it hard to put the blame, or praise, on just one person.
a very quick google will lead you to articles that tell you about will mcclay's day to day activities.
 

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So then I assume you think when the Cowboys signed Dez Bryant it was a bad deal, right? If Jeffrey's deal is bad, Bryant's was worse.

At age 30, the Cowboys can dump Bryant pre-June 1 for $8MM in dead money and $8.5MM in cap savings. When Jeffrey reaches 30, the Eagles can dump him for only a $6MM dead money hit and $10MM in savings.
Are you really this stupid?
Alshon Jeffrey caught 57 passes for 789 yards this year. On 120 targets....

You are asking was that deal better than signing Dez Bryant coming off 88 catches 1320 yards and 16 TDs on 136 rargets?
ROFLMAO. You are getting blocked for posting something this stupid.
 

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Are you really this stupid?
Alshon Jeffrey caught 57 passes for 789 yards this year. On 120 targets....

You are asking was that deal better than signing Dez Bryant coming off 88 catches 1320 yards and 16 TDs on 136 rargets?
ROFLMAO. You are getting blocked for posting something this stupid.

You block people when you realize you can't dumb your way through a conversation with them. You'

Let's start with the notion that Bryant signed his deal a few years ago and contracts have gone up since then. Some of the top WRs are due to come up for new deals soon and they will likely dwarf what Jeffery got.

In the end, despite your argument that the Eagles apparently have killed their cap with Jeffery, they can actually get out from under that contract with not much pain in a few years. Same with Jernigan, who is only 25.

You've literally exaggerated points now for a couple of days all in an attempt to somehow make it seem like the Cowboys are this model, well run franchise compared to most other teams.

It's downright chuckleworthy.
 

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a very quick google will lead you to articles that tell you about will mcclay's day to day activities.

None say where he fits in the decision making. I see people saying McClay is the draft guru. The draft has been mostly positive but there are some stinkers. Many say he is in charge of scouting other rosters and free agents. Again, mixed bag. Many say he is the guy that tries to bring everyone together regarding needs.

Dallas structure allows people to cherry pick the successes and distance themselves from the failures.
 

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The Cowboys traded a 6th round pick to Cincinnati for Bene Benwikere.


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I was thinking that trade was conditional.

Do you happen to know the terms of that?

I was thinking if he played in so many games we would have to give them that pick but if he did not we would not.

I could be wrong on that but I was thinking it was conditional and when I saw him playing in the last game of the year I thought it was a
waste if it was conditional.
 

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I was thinking that trade was conditional.

Do you happen to know the terms of that?

I was thinking if he played in so many games we would have to give them that pick but if he did not we would not.

I could be wrong on that but I was thinking it was conditional and when I saw him playing in the last game of the year I thought it was a
waste if it was conditional.

No, you're absolutely right, it was a conditional 6th rounder. The conditions were met, despite him never seeing the field. And you're right again that it was a "waste".
 

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No, you're absolutely right, it was a conditional 6th rounder. The conditions were met, despite him never seeing the field. And you're right again that it was a "waste".

Do you know what the conditions were? I really don't remember if I ever heard them...so many games so many snaps. Really don't know.
 

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None say where he fits in the decision making. I see people saying McClay is the draft guru. The draft has been mostly positive but there are some stinkers. Many say he is in charge of scouting other rosters and free agents. Again, mixed bag. Many say he is the guy that tries to bring everyone together regarding needs.

Dallas structure allows people to cherry pick the successes and distance themselves from the failures.
Dallas structure protects McClay, lol.
He gets to create grades for pro free agents, and for the entire draft board including UDFA.
He is the direct boss of the scouts.
Everywhere else the position is called GM.

What he doesn't do is get the title, the interviews, the ability to sign and cut players.

He creates a board and and that is the suggested drafting pattern.
He evaluates the players on the team and the players on other teams.
He comes up with overall strategy.

Stephen gets to decide on paychecks and Jerry gets to announce it all to the world where he takes credit and or blame.

It's a pretty darn good gig because if Jerry isn't firing the GM ever and he isn't admitting GM fault then he's probably not firing the guy actually doing the GM work.
And since Jerry is the highest paid GM of any sport anywhere as the Cowboys owner his top personnel guy likely gets paid pretty good too.
 

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Do you know what the conditions were? I really don't remember if I ever heard them...so many games so many snaps. Really don't know.

I think it was four games on the active roster.

Yeah, double-checked and that's what Todd Archer confirmed.
 

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And this is like the 3rd year in a row teams have inquired after McClay.

The Texans are a bit scary because he went to college at Rice and they look to have a great young QB in DeShaun Watson to build around.

But I think whether here or Houston, McClay would be recognized as the architect if either team won a SB in the next 3-4 years.
 

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That is the scary thing.
If they are tossed a curveball and McClay leaves they likely have no trust in anyone else and just promote Cisnowski.
It takes the Jones' years to trust someone.

Ciskowski is the one who botched the 2013 first round. He was completely unaware marinelli did not want Shariff Floyd and when this became aware to him the war room went into immediate panic. They traded back and ended up with Frederick/williams.

Ciskowski was demoted soon after. He is not going to get promoted again.

I honestly don't think McClay will leave but if he does coupled with all the assistants getting out it probably is more about where the organization is headed than about him wanting to go somewhere else. If everything is falling apart and being rebuilt based on one more year for the Head Coach and Coordinators that is probably a bad situation to be in.

I don't think he leaves to be honest. Like he said last draft 2016 was the first year they finally understood what types of players marinelli wanted all over the field. Not sure why it took so long but McClay said it right out. So I imagine he feels like they are still building something here and doesn't want to go.

Plus the fact that O'Brien could be out in Houston soon and is in a similar situation is probably not that appealing when you could just stay here and ride it out for another year.
 
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