Demarcus Lawrence wants at least $17 mil per year

[School]

Size is not the issue. The issue is the team's ability to get out of the contract without negative impact.

You can take one look at Williams' contract from just a year ago to see we are not very good at getting value. He basically has a roster spot, mainly because of the team's cap situation and the negative repercussions from cutting him.

The Eagles, for example, have been masterful at signing players and being able to move on quickly if they choose to do so.

Williams got less than most were expecting, and the team has an out after this season.

 

[Alexander]

Williams got less than most were expecting, and the team has an out after this season.

That was still a contract that basically tied them to him for two years, not one, given their cap situation. For a WR2.

Most people really do not understand how NFL contracts work in terms of money. The devil is in the details.

He got "less" in terms of overall numbers, but in terms of punitive impact on the team if they cut him, he made out pretty well.

He has pretty much a secured two year contract.

On many teams, it is no big deal. They just eat it.

With the way we are, for the time being, that is prohibitive to do.

When you are a team skirting around the salary cap and have a small surplus, it puts you at a negotiating disadvantage in terms of structure.

More Stephen Jones genius at work.

 

[School]

That was still a contract that basically tied them to him for two years, not one, given their cap situation. For a WR2.

He got "less" in terms of overall numbers, but in terms of punitive impact on the team if they cut him, he made out pretty well.

He has pretty much a secured two year contract.

On many teams, it is no big deal. They just eat it.

With the way we are, for the time being, that is prohibitive to do.

When you are a team skirting around the salary cap and have a small surplus, it puts you at a negotiating disadvantage in terms of structure.

More Stephen Jones genius at work.

I guess I don't see what the problem is with Williams on a modest 2 year contract. It's solid value. He's not special, but you don't get a receiver who is for $4.5mn.

He had 53 receptions on 77 targets last season. Philly just gave a 5 year $60mn contract with $27mn guaranteed to a guy who had 57 catches on 120 targets and has an injury history.

 

[Nightman]

I guess I don't see what the problem is with Williams on a modest 2 year contract. It's solid value. He's not special, but you don't get a receiver who is for $4.5mn.

He had 53 receptions on 77 targets last season. Philly just gave a 5 year $60mn contract with $27mn guaranteed to a guy who had 57 catches on 120 targets and has an injury history.

More like 4/56m

 

[Alexander]

I guess I don't see what the problem is with Williams on a modest 2 year contract. It's solid value. He's not special, but you don't get a receiver who is for $4.5mn.

He had 53 receptions on 77 targets last season. Philly just gave a 5 year $60mn contract with $27mn guaranteed to a guy who had 57 catches on 120 targets and has an injury history.

And you are looking at five years, sixty million. The issue is how the guarantee is paid out and when. Plus how equipped your team is to deal with the dead cap charge. There are a ton of clauses and intricacies beyond the reported year and dollar figure that make a difference. Funny thing about Dallas is that it always seems we have a negative repercussion for cutting someone.

 

[noshame]

Tag you're it

 

[School]

And you are looking at five years, sixty million. The issue is how the guarantee is paid out and when. Plus how equipped your team is to deal with the dead cap charge. There are a ton of clauses and intricacies beyond the reported year and dollar figure that make a difference. Funny thing about Dallas is that it always seems we have a negative repercussion for cutting someone.

There generally are repercussions to cutting someone after you sign them. That isn't exclusive to Dallas.

Williams has a cap hit of $2.25mn and $4.75mn in the first two years of the contract when it's prohibitive to cut him. Those are fine numbers for a reasonably productive wr.

Philly cannot cut Jeffrey until 2021, 3 years in, without taking a large dead cap hit, and he will start having a cap hit of $14mn+ starting in 2019.

 

[School]

More like 4/56m

You are correct, my mistake.

 

[ghostdog]

Terrence Williams should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Alshon Jeffery. Williams didn’t have 1 TD catch the entire year. There are TEs who average more yards per catch than that guy. If you think he’s a bargain you’re nuts. The guy is overpaid.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Perfect Example: JAY RATLIFF, MILE AUSTIN, CRAWFORD, DEZ BRAYNT all got paid....none of them produced after getting paid.

History tells us DLAW will be one of the above, one good season with injury filled seasons is exactly what Jerry Jones always pays for. The Jones pay for past performance NOT future performance

Let some other team pay DLAW 17mil, Heck the Dolphins paid Ndamukong Suh $114mil,.,. what did they get....180 tackles and 15.5 sacks in 3 years.

These NFL players stop playing after they get paid

Per PFF, Ndamukong Suh has been a top 5 DT in every single season with the Dolphins.

Did the Dolphins overpay him? Yes they did, but that's not his fault. Suh has been holding up his end of the bargain.

 

[School]

Terrence Williams should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Alshon Jeffery. Williams didn’t have 1 TD catch the entire year. There are TEs who average more yards per catch than that guy. If you think he’s a bargain you’re nuts. The guy is overpaid.

Did you know that Jeffrey had the 10th worst catch percentage out of all receivers who had any sort of sample size? And he wasn't even in the top 15 in average targeted air yards.

Only Arizona and Cleveland wrs were comparable to him in terms of catch percentage and average targeted air yards, and that was probably more to do with qb play in their cases.

I wasn't really comparing them as players anyway. He said Philly doesn't seem to give out such contracts, and I pointed out they did, in fact, just give out such a contract, and gave it to a player with questionable production and an injury history no less.

 

[Beaker42]

Tag will be more money. Might has well wrap him up. Dumb of us to let the first productive DE since Ware walk out the door. We need to add talent at defense, not lose it.

Dude waits until his contract season to produce then wants that kind of $$? Man, I dunno.

 

[Aviano90]

Dude waits until his contract season to produce then wants that kind of $$? Man, I dunno.

He also came up with that strip sack fumble recovery in the only playoff win in the Garrett HC era as a rookie.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

I find myself mad at Gregory right about now. Patriots are able to let these guys who want huge money walk because there’s always someone ready to replace

Why blame Gregory? Blame the bloody idiots who drafted him. Not like it was any secret that he liked his weed. Wasn't like it was, oh man, that Randy Gregory is a nice whole milk drinking saint.......damn, he smoked weed, we never knew.

 

[Aviano90]

Why blame Gregory? Blame the bloody idiots who drafted him. Not like it was any secret that he liked his weed. Wasn't like it was, oh man, that Randy Gregory is a nice whole milk drinking saint.......damn, he smoked weed, we never knew.

A ton of players smoke weed. They are just smart enough to pass the one test they have to each year...a test they know when they have to take well in advance to plan when they need to stop smoking in order to be clean.

So, why blame Gregory. Because he is responsible for his actions? It’s a major problem in the world today where people always look for someone or something else to blame instead of the individual. The Cowboys do deserve blame for taking a risk. Clearly they made the wrong choice but that doesn’t absolve Gregory from being the main part of this problem.

Edit: never mind, I just read the post you responded to and changed the context of your reply. My bad, it’s early in the morning.

 

[Carter]

Tag him than see if he reproduces the Numbers next season.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Just negotiation. You don't undercut yourself when you're the firs person to put a number out in a bargaining situation.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

 

[darthseinfeld]

Thats the going rate. Vernon Oliver got that two years ago coming of a 7.5 sack season

 

[dfense]

With all the talk about how stupid Cowboys management is, the incredibly stupid Giants brass hands an 8 sack DE 17 million a year to set the market.