Police Officer on Duty - Did Nothing

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rags747 said:
No he was a full on Sherifs Deputy. School resource officer is just Broward county's way of being politically correct as to not offend anyone with Police Officer at school.
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Wow, that's awful. Terrible how many people dropped the ball on the nut job who perpetrated all that carnage. We better fix the people problem we have before anything else.
 
If the FBI had done their job the shooting would not have happened not defending the coward just saying
 
Do NOT turn this into a political thread or a gun contolc thread.
 
Everyone dropped the ball on this one from the teachers(who were warned early) to the local officers to the FBI.

If there was ever an example of a precursor to a violent crime.........this was it. He should have been in juvenile detention well before he had the chance to shoot up a school.
 
rags747 said:
so it turns out that a police officer was on duty at the Fla school. Cameras caught him outside doing nothing for 4 minutes while the shooting was going down. He was placed on unpaid admin leave, but today he resigned. Should he keep his pension?

https://wsvn.com/news/local/sheriff-armed-officer-at-stoneman-douglas-never-went-in-during-shooting/
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No. His pension is there for him doing his job, and he clearly didn't do his job. In fact, his being there got in the way of someone else, who would have done what needed to be done.
 
That's why providing security at each school, while a must have is still flawed. Even more flawed is arming teachers... I can easily see a teacher accidently killing an innocent student during one of these events.

Big difference between someone having a gun on them and having the courage and the mental attributes to use in properly in a situation like that... Not easy to kill someone. Strapping on a gun doesn't make you John Wayne or Clint Eastwood.

If there is any solution it will be a combination of things... Some of which are going to curtail (somewhat) existing freedoms when it comes to firearms and what steps can be taken with someone who is thought to have issues when it comes to mental stability.
 
MichaelWinicki said:
That's why providing security at each school, while a must have is still flawed. Even more flawed is arming teachers... I can easily see a teacher accidently killing an innocent student during one of these events.

Big difference between someone having a gun on them and having the courage and the mental attributes to use in properly in a situation like that... Not easy to kill someone. Strapping on a gun doesn't make you John Wayne or Clint Eastwood.

If there is any solution it will be a combination of things... Some of which are going to curtail (somewhat) existing freedoms when it comes to firearms and what steps can be taken with someone who is thought to have issues when it comes to mental stability.
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The idea would never be to systematically arm teachers. Schools should recruit individuals with license to carry and extensive firearm experience to take a job in the school district in any capacity from Aide to Custodial to Administrative. When the lockdown alarm chimes, these individuals do not sit a classroom with the sheltered in place kids and faculty, they look for the perp. These individuals should be engaged with local law enforcement and go through some of the same training as cops and they get paid a significant premium over regular wage to be the guardians of the schools.

No solution is bulletproof, and you never know what type response you are going to get in the face of danger, but inaction is the worst solution of all. And, yes, there are a number of other things that need to be addressed as well, but protecting the schools needs to happen immediately.
 
Runwildboys said:
Being a deputy, I doubt he only made $9 an hour, but even if he did, it's the job he signed on for, and it was his duty to protect those kids. Even if he had been just an unpaid volunteer, it was his duty.
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I get it but a bit torn on this one. He failed fulfilling one of the main purposes of his role but hindsight is 20/20. He didn't know if there was one gunman or 20. I know I'm not cut out for that line of work and expecting one retired cop to function as a swat team is a bit much, especially considering the size of that school's campus and having no idea what you're up against.

I wonder how long the real swat team, probably consisting of several dozen heavily armed men, took to storm the school building
 
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JackOfNoTrades said:
I get it but a bit torn on this one. He failed fulfilling one of the main purposes of his role but hindsight is 20/20. He didn't know if there was one gunman or 20. I know I'm not cut out for that line of work and expecting one retired cop to function as a swat team is a bit much, especially considering the size of that school's campus and having no idea what you're up against.

I wonder how long the real swat team, probably consisting of several dozen heavily armed men, to storm the school building
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He wasn't retired. He was a cop, on the books, and he did nothing. (Assuming reports are accurate)
A coach died, shielding the students, with no weapon. This guy stayed outside, with the one gun that could have stopped the shooting.
 
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