Dak second to only Rodgers in 100+ QBR/games played

[erod]

How do you feel about Romos qbr?

He had the highest 4th quarter QB rating in nfl history, which is cool, but is just another silly stat.

He carried a team for years with no offensive line and no defense. I didn't needs stars to understand that.

 

[erod]

Out of curiosity. Why is < or > 200 yards passing, anymore of a valid stat, than QB rating?

Dak is terrible on third downs. That's what keeps his passing yardage down.

 

[Califan007]

Out of curiosity. Why is < or > 200 yards passing, anymore of a valid stat, than QB rating?

Every stat is "valid"...I think it depends more on how that stat is being used or what it's being used to show that damages its validity.

 

[percyhoward]

Looks like an example of regression to the mean.

Looks like it, but it would probably look different if the OL injuries had hit in 2016 instead of 2017.

Prescott
when both Smith & Martin took most or all of offensive snaps (11 games)
1 sack every 29 dropbacks
212 of 338 2464 yd 21 td 6 int 98.0

remaining 4 games (not counting last game in Philly)
1 sack every 8 dropbacks
79 of 122 681 yd 0 td 7 int 55.4

 

[HungryLion]

Dak is terrible on third downs. That's what keeps his passing yardage down.

You didn’t answer the question.

I honestly don’t know how Dak does on 3rd downs compared to the rest of the league. My memory tells me from watching every game that he seemed pretty bad on 3rd and long. Although I believe most QB’s in the nfl are also pretty bad on 3rd and long.

I am just taking a guess here but I would say we were spoiled for years by Romo who was pretty exceptional on 3rd and long, compared to most QB’s. And seeing that for a decade, skewed people’s expectations to what is generally normal for QB’s.

The team wasn’t in manageable 3rd down situations enough last year, especially once Zeke was suspended.

 

[pansophy]

Looks like it, but it would probably look different if the OL injuries had hit in 2016 instead of 2017.

Prescott
when both Smith & Martin took most or all of offensive snaps (11 games)
1 sack every 29 dropbacks
212 of 338 2464 yd 21 td 6 int 98.0

remaining 4 games (not counting last game in Philly)
1 sack every 8 dropbacks
79 of 122 681 yd 0 td 7 int 55.4

Totally what we get for paying for stars and not having money for backups. Dak was lucky to survive back there.

 

[ShiningStar]

Only the Cowboys fans hate good players but pump up players who have never played in the nfl.

 

[Billyd]

Totally what we get for paying for stars and not having money for backups. Dak was lucky to survive back there.

YOU MEAN paying for losers like Green right?

 

[gjkoeppen]

Saying that Prescott has the 2nd most 100+ games while in a run heavy offense the last two years and then using that as a case to say that Prescott is comparable to guys like Brady and Rodgers are the ones searching for data to support their bias.

It's obvious you need a little simple math lesson. First it's 100+ QB passing rating. Prescott or any QB can get a high QB passer rating throwing fewer passes than say Brady or Rodgers. Prescott throws fewer passes because the Cowboys are a ball control run first offense. Now to qualify for this a QB has to average at least 20 pass attempts a game. Last season Prescott average about 30 attempts a game and in 2016 he averaged about 28 pass attempts a game. Rodgers in 2016 averaged about 38 attempts a game and Brady average about 36 attempts a game. So here's the math lesson for you. If a QB completes a large number of his attempts, throws some TD passes and limit the number of picks he will have a high QB passer rating. A QB doesn't have to have a high number of passes to get a high QB passer rating and is capable of doing it in a ball control run first offense. Lastly at no time did I say that Prescott was comparable to Rogers or Brady, I only said that only Rodgers had more 100+ QB passer rating games than Prescott over the past 2 seasons. So I guess besides needing remedial math lessons you also need to work on your comprehension skills.
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[mcmvp]

It's obvious you need a little simple math lesson. First it's 100+ QB passing rating. Prescott or any QB can get a high QB passer rating throwing fewer passes than say Brady or Rodgers. Prescott throws fewer passes because the Cowboys are a ball control run first offense. Now to qualify for this a QB has to average at least 20 pass attempts a game. Last season Prescott average about 30 attempts a game and in 2016 he averaged about 28 pass attempts a game. Rodgers in 2016 averaged about 38 attempts a game and Brady average about 36 attempts a game. So here's the math lesson for you. If a QB completes a large number of his attempts, throws some TD passes and limit the number of picks he will have a high QB passer rating. A QB doesn't have to have a high number of passes to get a high QB passer rating and is capable of doing it in a ball control run first offense. Lastly at no time did I say that Prescott was comparable to Rogers or Brady, I only said that only Rodgers had more 100+ QB passer rating games than Prescott over the past 2 seasons. So I guess besides needing remedial math lessons you also need to work on your comprehension skills.
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I think you are missing the point. It's common knowledge that you don't need to throw as many passes as Brady or Rodgers to have a high passer rating. The point is the dominant running game makes it far easier for the QB when he does pass. Defenses stacking the box, the play-action game, etc. It has never been about math, but rather the level of difficulty different QBs face based on their offensive schemes. I've seen Brady and Rodgers pick apart 7-8 man coverage schemes. Dak just isn't asked to do that for the most part. That's the point.

 

[HungryLion]

I think you are missing the point. It's common knowledge that you don't need to throw as many passes as Brady or Rodgers to have a high passer rating. The point is the dominant running game makes it far easier for the QB when he does pass. Defenses stacking the box, the play-action game, etc. It has never been about math, but rather the level of difficulty different QBs face based on their offensive schemes. I've seen Brady and Rodgers pick apart 7-8 man coverage schemes. Dak just isn't asked to do that for the most part. That's the point.

He also never said Dak was as good as Rodgers or Brady. That’s also the point that some of you are missing.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Dak the best ever.. better than Roger too.......super star... if he could get rid of the glitch. which I read you can't get rid of.. too bad Dak...

 

[mcmvp]

He also never said Dak was as good as Rodgers or Brady. That’s also the point that some of you are missing.

I realize he never said that (although It appears the original poster feels that way...hence the post in the first place). I was only pointing out that when someone points out the run-dominating nature of the Cowboys offense, they aren’t referring to the fewer number of passes Dak throws as much as the conditions he faces compared to other QBs.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Dak is terrible on third downs. That's what keeps his passing yardage down.

When its 3rd Down and 6+ Dak is there to make sure you either punting the ball or kicking a FG.....

 

[Captain-Crash]

Here's you a new one Pappy

 

[pansophy]

It's obvious you need a little simple math lesson. First it's 100+ QB passing rating. Prescott or any QB can get a high QB passer rating throwing fewer passes than say Brady or Rodgers. Prescott throws fewer passes because the Cowboys are a ball control run first offense. Now to qualify for this a QB has to average at least 20 pass attempts a game. Last season Prescott average about 30 attempts a game and in 2016 he averaged about 28 pass attempts a game. Rodgers in 2016 averaged about 38 attempts a game and Brady average about 36 attempts a game. So here's the math lesson for you. If a QB completes a large number of his attempts, throws some TD passes and limit the number of picks he will have a high QB passer rating. A QB doesn't have to have a high number of passes to get a high QB passer rating and is capable of doing it in a ball control run first offense. Lastly at no time did I say that Prescott was comparable to Rogers or Brady, I only said that only Rodgers had more 100+ QB passer rating games than Prescott over the past 2 seasons. So I guess besides needing remedial math lessons you also need to work on your comprehension skills.
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No reason to repeat what mcmvp wrote in response this. Those are the points.

 

[HungryLion]

I realize he never said that (although It appears the original poster feels that way...hence the post in the first place). I was only pointing out that when someone points out the run-dominating nature of the Cowboys offense, they aren’t referring to the fewer number of passes Dak throws as much as the conditions he faces compared to other QBs.

Of course it does. Then again, a lot of those other QB’s have also been in the league longer than 2 years too.... which is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.

 

[mcmvp]

Of course it does. Then again, a lot of those other QB’s have also been in the league longer than 2 years too.... which is also something that needs to be taken into consideration.

I completely agree. We aren’t on different pages here. He was a 4th round pick and has shown to be a tremendous value at that spot. I think the disconnect that exists between some posters is when some try to anoint Dak and put him at a level far beyond what is realistic. That causes responses that go to the other extreme. The truth is usually found in the middle.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Dak is terrible on third downs. That's what keeps his passing yardage down.

Negative, the fact that Dallas is ranked 30th in passing percentage keeps his passing yardage down.

Dak on third down:

2016: 82/126 | 65% comp rate | 123.7 rating
2017: 94/149 | 63% comp rate | 84.8 rating

 

[Denim Chicken]

The team wasn’t in manageable 3rd down situations enough last year, especially once Zeke was suspended.

Absolutely right. In fact, Dak was very good on third down except when distance was 8-10 yards and the defense could pin thier ears back against a porous line:

2017