If Dak can't throw, how do you explain 2016?

[khiladi]

Not the QBs that were left. Paxton Lynch anybody?

They tried to package to trade up in the first fit Lynch after getting Zeke, but nobody was budging. Again, their expectation was Romo had about 3 or 4 years left and they needed to start the process. So since they couldn’t package to trade up to ge him, Jerry and the FO were fine with going after a developmental guy such as Cook and Dak to learn under Romo.. the Raiders jumped up before then and grabbed Cook even though he was higher on the board.

 

[Cap12]

They tried to package to trade up in the first fit Lynch after getting Zeke, but nobody was budging. Again, their expectation was Romo had about 3 or 4 years left and they needed to start the process. So since they couldn’t package to trade up to ge him, Jerry and the FO were fine with going after a developmental guy such as Cook and Dak to learn under Romo.. the Raiders jumped up before then and grabbed Cook even though he was higher on the board.

Yep, I remember. The OP was stating that we should have sold the farm to repalce Romo. Zeke was the best value for a team that was built to "run first". Think about how bad we would be if he weren't on the roster right now.

 

[Aviano90]

So then it’s not because he was drafted as number 4.. until you need to flip flop again and then say, well no RB is worth going that high, because their production never matches their impact...

I also don’t think he is a generational talent. I think he could be if he put the effort in and wasn’t so lazy.

 

[khiladi]

Yep, I remember. The OP was stating that we should have sold the farm to repalce Romo. Zeke was the best value for a team that was built to "run first". Think about how bad we would be if he weren't on the roster right now.

Jerry also said they went Zeke because they felt the Running game was the best way to assist the defense. It would keep the average defense off the field, so not only was Zeke an impact player to them, he also would help them defensively by keeping them off the field a lot and controlling TOP. Ramsey on the other hand, they felt could not have had that big an impact.

Also remember, when Jerry was looking back at 2014 and Murray as an example of picking Zeke, it was a defense that didn’t have Sean Lee the whole year and the defense was more than adequate that season with the circumstances on offense.

 

[khiladi]

I also don’t think he is a generational talent. I think he could be if he put the effort in and wasn’t so lazy.

Well that is something we agree on. Zeke’s mentality is his biggest hindrance and it’s only going to get worse if the direction of this organization continues to move the way it has..

 

[Aviano90]

Well that is something we agree on. Zeke’s mentality is his biggest hindrance and it’s only going to get worse if the direction of this organization continues to move the way it has..

Then why are we arguing? He was lazy last year and played below what we should expect from Zeke. Do you think he maximized his production?

 

[Dre11]

I said they're biased towards QBs. You're the one saying Dak did nothing.

Dak won it , and there wasn't any bias for him to win it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm not completely out on Dak yet, but I'm heading that way. Zeke is the best thing we got on offense right now. if we take Ramsey we are truly screwed. BTW, I've been saying the same stuff about Dak since 2016, so I'm not only original but consistent too, lol.

Nothing you say can convince me that a pro bowl RB is better than a shut down corner. NOTHING!!

But if that is what you like, then great.

 

[Haimerej]

Dak won it , and there wasn't any bias for him to win it.

Believe what you want.

 

[Dre11]

Believe what you want.

I believe what I see.

 

[Haimerej]

I believe what I see.

Me, too.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Let’s take a look at the entire scenario. 2014 we are on the verge of SB in my mind. The process has yielded results and we are on the cusp of greatness. We need a defense and we are there.

Then 2015 strikes with injuries to Tony Romo ruin the season. Passing game is inept but running game is still good. No biggie; pick it up in 2016.

First pick goes to RB. Wasn’t overly thrilled with the strategy, but Zeke is supposed to be great so will live with it. The pick that I really disagree with was Smith in the 2nd because once you went offense in the 1st, surely you need immediate defense in the 2nd. But no, we should be on the verge of SB and our weakness gets no immediate help. And I am sorry, we were already controlling ball so Zeke wasn’t going to improve ball control. We had our great QB coming back so scoring should be fixed too. We needed immediate defensive help and didn’t address it.

That said, Zeke is a great player. Along with being a great player, I expect them to be great. And Zeke, IMO, has not performed up to his abilities since the 2016 season. Last year we didn’t get his best and I don’t buy the QB, stacking the boxes excuse. He needs to improve.

I wonder why Zeke gets excused while the other RBs aren’t. The other RBs were the reason why we needed Zeke to begin with and they were facing the same challenges Zeke was. Poor QB play and stacked boxes because no on feared the passing game.

I wouldn't have picked Zeke either in the first round and was dismayed with Smith in the 2nd, with the cowboys history of wasting that pick on people with injuries and drug problems.. That said, you still reading too much into Zeeks YPC last season. He only played 10 games, making a disaster of a game effect the rating much more than if he played 16, and if he would've played those 6 games it he'd be on pace for a 1500 yard season in 2017. The problem here is not Zeek.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

He missed plenty. But 6 sacks is no joke. The oline was horrid. The first 3 drives were basically killed because of Oline penalties. Oline was horrid in both the run game and pass. And Zeke was horrid as well. Missing a key block that killed a drive and being rusty. You talk about ONLY Dak while I talk about all the issues.

And Romo didn't even play until his 4th year in the league. And had Parcells as a head coach and Sean Peyton as a coordinator. Dak is the beginning of this 3rd year and he has Garrett and who?

And Romo never did diddly with Garrett as head coach either. Same BS, same problems. Comparing an in his prime Romo to Dak in his 3rd year is a joke. But by all means have at it.

I was all for having Dak sit behind romo and learn and improve. It would've done him a world of good. I figured romo had two more years in him at the beginning of the season and I liked what I saw in Dak. But once you put a quarterback out there like this, if he isn't ready, well chances are he gets ruined. I think once you thrown out to the wolves like this when you aren't ready, you don't get better, you get worse.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Me, too.

I’m reading you’re conversation w Dre and it’s quite entertaining

 

[mitchell2254]

Teams were still afraid of Dez because nobody knew Dak is horrible throwing deep. We still had Leary and Free (who played great that year). Romo was mentoring Dak. Played a pretty cozy schedule.

I can go on if needed

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

And that's why this organization is currently trash. The organization and the coaching staff has talked about meritocracy but when it comes time to implement it, it becomes a collective state of selective amnesia.

I bet you that Jerry was behind not letting Romo start once healthy...he wanted to ride the dak train for popularity, tickets, jersey sales, etc....with him its all marketing all the time..

 

[Cap12]

Nothing you say can convince me that a pro bowl RB is better than a shut down corner. NOTHING!!

But if that is what you like, then great.

Many teams weren't even sure that Ramsey was a Corner let alone a shut down corner (some teams had him as a Saftey). RB. True every down backs are a rare commodity and Zeke is that kind of a player.

 

[Aviano90]

I wouldn't have picked Zeke either in the first round and was dismayed with Smith in the 2nd, with the cowboys history of wasting that pick on people with injuries and drug problems.. That said, you still reading too much into Zeeks YPC last season. He only played 10 games, making a disaster of a game effect the rating much more than if he played 16, and if he would've played those 6 games it he'd be on pace for a 1500 yard season in 2017. The problem here is not Zeek.

The problem is everyone on the team that could do better actually doing better, even what we could consider players who are "the least of our problems". It takes everyone being the best version they can be to be successful. It's not just the Patrick Crayton, Demarco Murray, Dak Prescotts of the team that cause it to fail. It's also the Tony Romo, Dez Byrant, Zeke Elliott's too. When a player can do better or reduce mistakes, we need that to occur.

 

[Haimerej]

I’m reading you’re conversation w Dre and it’s quite entertaining

Thanks?

 

[SultanOfSix]

I bet you that Jerry was behind not letting Romo start once healthy...he wanted to ride the dak train for popularity, tickets, jersey sales, etc....with him its all marketing all the time..

Nah. I think it was practically everyone but Jerry, especially Carrot Top.