Cowboys allowing 4th most pressure in the league

[Kevinicus]

It is subjective depending on the play call. If it's a 3 step drop or quick release route or if it a slower developing route, like a go route or like the double fake we tried. The OL has to block as long as it takes for that particular play to develop, whether it's 2.5 seconds or 7 seconds. This team calls a lot of slower developing routes which require the OL to hold blocks longer. This exactly why when a team is struggling to protect, they start calling shorter, quick release routes to negate that pressure.

Well, time itself is still objective, but what you mention is another factor to consider. How often a team utilizes shorter drops, how quickly they typically release it on the various drops, etc. would all play a part in analyzing when pressure is from poor protection.

 

[pansophy]

That plays a part. He's ranked 11th in average time from snap to sack.

His time to throw is 3rd longest, though that might be because he scrambles.

 

[Alexander]

Actually I think Prescott is the most pressured QB in the league if you count the ghosts he reacts to in a clean pocket.

 

[Captain43Crash]

To many of you relia on statistics for your opinion. This O line sucks at pass blocking. I don’t know how they compare to other teams and don’t care. I know to often they fail to protect Dak. Some on here have talked about our O line as top 5 in the league. What? Dak definitely needs to improve, but this O line sucks at pass blocking!

 

[khiladi]

Time is only relevant to the type of play being called. Measuring it by how many seconds you have to throw, is only relevant if every team are calling plays that take the same amount of time to develop over and over. Having 3,5 seconds to throw is fine for a quick route, but not so much for a slower developing route, which we call very frequently. It may be imperfect, but almost any method would, but distance the defender to the QB is probably more accurate than just X number of seconds.

Sorry, that’s just nonsense.

Time is definitely more of a better indicator than the distance a defense is when throwing, especially when you are getting to seconds being longer. You aren’t hitting the five second mark in football, unless rarely, when a play breaks down and a QB breaks pocket, running around.

I’m pretty sure any QB in the league would love to have a pocket for five seconds.

And if your getting the ball out throwing quicker passes than the defender isn’t going to normally be in a situation where they are two yards from you, especially in a drop back scenario, which is what this claims to be measuring.

 

[nate dizzle]

So why wouldn't we opt to find a better WRs and TEs with a QB that was already showing signs of struggling last season? Why would people think that not having better talent at WR/TE was actually going to be a good thing?

Maybe they thought he would improve from last year and the passing game would be at least average, which would be enough to let the running game carry us.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Well, time itself is still objective, but what you mention is another factor to consider. How often a team utilizes shorter drops, how quickly they typically release it on the various drops, etc. would all play a part in analyzing when pressure is from poor protection.

Do you remember in years past with Romo and Dak's rookie season, they would put a timer on the screen and show how much time they had to throw? People would marvel at how much time they had. The question should have been asked, why are they having to wait that long to throw? Romo was a much more talented QB and we had better WRs/TEs and there were a lot of plays he took a long time in that pocket too. Was it that guys were covered, was it the routes we kept calling that required more time? Romo at least had the talent to make the play eventually, but Dak doesn't have that talent. It's not just one thing, it's just being magnified with Dak.

 

[jrumann59]

What everyone forgets is teams are not blitzing the pass they are blitzing the run on the way to the pass. What is the best way to beat blitzes? Block more not possible, pre-snap helps a lot of those slot blitzes were missed against Houston, quick passes to where they were on the way to the QB. It also looked like Houston was running a lot of zone blitzes. To stop the stacked boxes and run blitzes even on passing downs you need to pass effectively, a lot of it is play calling but the QB has to be able to at least see the blitz down ont he field.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Sorry, that’s just nonsense.

Time is definitely more of a better indicator than the distance a defense is when throwing, especially when you are getting to seconds being longer. You aren’t hitting the five second mark in football, unless rarely, when a play breaks down and a QB breaks pocket, running around.

I’m pretty sure any QB in the league would love to have a pocket for five seconds.

And if your getting the ball out throwing quicker passes than the defender isn’t going to normally be in a situation where they are two yards from you, especially in a drop back scenario, which is what this claims to be measuring.

This team doesn't throw many short quick routes, it has over the seasons have always been reliant on slower developing routes. 3 seconds to throw on a short route is not the same as 3 seconds on a slow developing route, it just isn't. If the pressure is affecting the QB, you shorten the routes to negate that pressure, you make adjustments to the playcalls and/or blocking. Simply calling the same type routes and telling your team to "do better" is the epitome of bad coaching, you make adjustments. If you can establish those short routes, it will also help open longer routes.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Compare to the stats for Dak holding the ball among the longest in the league.

Dak is just a problem on this score now. He gets antsy about pressure too soon, and eats up time looking for an escape.

Dak just doesn't have the "I'm going to get the ball out before the pressure gets me". It's always "the rush is coming, and I've got to make sure they don't before I try to throw".

 

[buybuydandavis]

To stop the stacked boxes and run blitzes even on passing downs you need to pass effectively, a lot of it is play calling but the QB has to be able to at least see the blitz down ont he field.

You have to be able to beat the blitz with your arm instead of your feet. As an offense, we have always been bad at that. Few quick hitting routes. But Dak is extra bad, as he holds the ball too long.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Maybe they thought he would improve from last year and the passing game would be at least average, which would be enough to let the running game carry us.

You at least go out and improve the talent at WR/TE. Even if we had a different QB, I wouldn't want this group to be the ones my passing game is going to rely on. Even if we had Brees, we would be winning more, but fer crying out loud, get the man some help. It's was Roster Malpractice.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Compare to the stats for Dak holding the ball among the longest in the league.

Dak is just a problem on this score now. He gets antsy about pressure too soon, and eats up time looking for an escape.

Dak just doesn't have the "I'm going to get the ball out before the pressure gets me". It's always "the rush is coming, and I've got to make sure they don't before I try to throw".

That's been mentioned, but is not the whole story. Goff, Wilson, & Rodgers are not that far from Prescott's time to throw.

 

[Roadtrip635]

What everyone forgets is teams are not blitzing the pass they are blitzing the run on the way to the pass. What is the best way to beat blitzes? Block more not possible, pre-snap helps a lot of those slot blitzes were missed against Houston, quick passes to where they were on the way to the QB. It also looked like Houston was running a lot of zone blitzes. To stop the stacked boxes and run blitzes even on passing downs you need to pass effectively, a lot of it is play calling but the QB has to be able to at least see the blitz down ont he field.

Go watch the beginning of the Okoye breakdown, blocking was an issue. The blocking schemes were confusing. We would have our OL doing 2 different dbl teams, so we had 4 OL blocking 2 defenders, which left them a bunch of free defenders to make plays, we had 7 blockers on plays getting beat by 5 rushers, we had Hurns trying to block Clowney, Tyron was getting smoked on speed rushes, even when it wasn't Clowney. Guys were slow getting off blocks and getting to the next level. The communication on the OL was poor. Dak was bad and I'm not saying it was all because of the blocking, but the blocking was very disappointing.

 

[Aven8]

Funny the top two are Seattle and Houston and we couldn't get any pressure.........

 

[ClintDagger]

Compare to the stats for Dak holding the ball among the longest in the league.

Dak is just a problem on this score now. He gets antsy about pressure too soon, and eats up time looking for an escape.

Dak just doesn't have the "I'm going to get the ball out before the pressure gets me". It's always "the rush is coming, and I've got to make sure they don't before I try to throw".

It’s just not that useful of a stat. The Panthers OL has been decimated with injuries since training camp and they are #1. Without context it’s meaningless. If the Cowboys pressure % is high and Dak’s time to throw is low then we’ve got a serious problem. But that doesn’t seem to be the case. I think Dak gets “solid” protection. Far from great, but even farther from horrid.

 

[mmohican29]

Bingo

Also it’s interesting to note that two of the teams allowing more pressure than us have already beaten us. Makes me wonder how Wilson and Watson are getting it done

Are they "getting it done" though?

All 3 teams have identical records.

 

[wileedog]

You at least go out and improve the talent at WR/TE. Even if we had a different QB, I wouldn't want this group to be the ones my passing game is going to rely on. Even if we had Brees, we would be winning more, but fer crying out loud, get the man some help. It's was Roster Malpractice.

What makes this worse is that the FO had to know - HAD TO - what a critical season this was for Dak. Coming off the disastrous 2nd half last year getting off to a good start this year was critical for his confidence, and also for that of his team and the fans.

So what did they do? Kick Dez out of the door, have no real replacement plan for Witten, then get a couple of slot WRs and draft a guy in the third who most certainly is not going make much of an impact his rookie year because 3rd round WRs almost never do.

Honestly, short of trading away Tyron or Zach or something you couldn't do worse if you were trying to sabotage Dak. It really is mind boggling.

I'm not a huge Dak fan - I think what we are seeing now is closer to who he really is than 2016 was, but I readily acknowledge Jerry & Co are complete idiots if they thought this was going to work out any differently than it has.

 

[Roadtrip635]

What makes this worse is that the FO had to know - HAD TO - what a critical season this was for Dak. Coming off the disastrous 2nd half last year getting off to a good start this year was critical for his confidence, and also for that of his team and the fans.

So what did they do? Kick Dez out of the door, have no real replacement plan for Witten, then get a couple of slot WRs and draft a guy in the third who most certainly is not going make much of an impact his rookie year because 3rd round WRs almost never do.

Honestly, short of trading away Tyron or Zach or something you couldn't do worse if you were trying to sabotage Dak. It really is mind boggling.

I'm not a huge Dak fan - I think what we are seeing now is closer to who he really is than 2016 was, but I readily acknowledge Jerry & Co are complete idiots if they thought this was going to work out any differently than it has.

Don't forget the first WR signed in FA was Thompson. He was cut from both the Bills and Bears last season, who had among if not the worst WR corps in the league last season. Add the fact that all four of our TEs had a grand total of 9 catches in the NFL coming into the season and those 9 came from one guy over 3 seasons.

 

[JayFord]

The cowboys line even when fully healthy isnt that great at pass blocking

Washington proved that alot of times by sending blitzes constantly

The lions also would have won that 2014 playoff game if they kept blitzing in the 2nd half