First 39 Starts of career- Romo/Prescott

[Cannibal_Cowboy]

A few notes:

* I was and will always be an ardent Romo Fanatic.
* Posting these to hopefully put into perspective our current qb
*Romo's first start happened mid season in year 3 of his career at the age of 26. Dak is still 25. These numbers represent the first 39 starts of their respective careers, not including playoffs.
*Romo's weapons were 2006- Owens + Glenn (both 1000 yards), Prime Witten, Crayton as 33rd wr, Barber and JJ (combined for 1800+ and 18tds) 2007- same minus Glenn, 2008- Mostly same, add Bennett, Felix jones, remove JJ.

*Dak's weapons in passing not close to what Romo was working with, Dak did have better OL at least one year and Zeke.
Romo- In a more wide open passing offense vs heavy run offense for Dak.



Romo

815 completions, 1280 attempts- 63.67% 10,300 yards, 8.0 YPA, 78 TDs, 43 Ints, 95 Rating, 63 sacks, 263 rush yards, 2 rush tds

Prescott

747 completions, 1155 attempts, 64.7%, 8408 yards, 7.3 ypa, 53 TDs, 21 ints, 94 rating, 80 sacks, 875 rush yards, 14 rush tds


My takeways: Dak's completion percentage is actually higher than Romo's. Does this mean Romo was inaccurate? More than twice the interceptions in about 100 more attempts, was Romo's "spatial awareness" still developing? Dak sacked at a much higher rate. 80 tds for Romo to 67 for Dak. Qb rating very similar.

Total yards: 10,563 for Romo. Dak, 9,283.

Oh brother, here you go again . How is Dak playing right now, in 2018? The answer is horrible. That's all that matters. Your comparisons are only flimsy excuses.

 

[gjkoeppen]

The stats will save the Dak man.....well bud won't bother reading them but comparing Romo to Dak is like comparing a Ferrari to a Fiat....next please!!!

And how YEARS of experience did Romo, who I have always really like, had before that great game developing those skills. Again as much as I have always like Romo, his 1st pass was a pick, Prescott not so much. Prescott set an NFL record for most completions and attempts before throwing a pick of any rookie QB in league history. When Prescott has as many years of experience as Romo had in the bronco game then you can compare. Again if I had a vote for the HOF I would vote for Romo to get in.
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[PAPPYDOG]

And how YEARS of experience did Romo, who I have always really like, had before that great game developing those skills. Again as much as I have always like Romo, his 1st pass was a pick, Prescott not so much. Prescott set an NFL record for most completions and attempts before throwing a pick of any rookie QB in league history. When Prescott has as many years of experience as Romo had in the bronco game then you can compare. Again if I had a vote for the HOF I would vote for Romo to get in.
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Romo does not deserve the HOF just my opinion....and Dak doesn't deserve to be in the NFL in any capacity except back up FB or HB.....

 

[btcutter]

I'll give you the best example of a QB just throwing where a receiver is supposed to be and how that's not such a great idea. steelers QB O'Donnell in Super Bowl XXX threw to where his receiver was supposed to be TWICE and both times Larry Brown was there and picked both passes off. That and "throwing a receiver open" is also a big myth. If a receiver is covered and there is no separation throwing the ball ahead of him doesn't magically get the receiver separation. According to your idea you're saying no receivers get open so don't waste your time throwing to open receivers instead just throw the ball where you think they'll be. Please watch more football first.
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OMG. Please watch some football is right. Please watch top tier QBs is probably what you should do instead of below average QB play. How did Aaron Rodgers beat us? He threw it to a spot where only his WR was going to be able to get it and no one else. In fact, go back and look at the Tenn game where Mariota was throwing the ball BEFORE the WR is coming out of his break and BEFORE his WR actually turned around. That's anticipation.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

I have to admit I am on the fence on Dak, but leaning towards the "isn't NFL material" side.
But how did the guy go from the 3rd rated passer in the NFL his rookie year to this?
Bad coaching/qb coach?
Bad system?

 

[aikemirv]

I'll give you the best example of a QB just throwing where a receiver is supposed to be and how that's not such a great idea. steelers QB O'Donnell in Super Bowl XXX threw to where his receiver was supposed to be TWICE and both times Larry Brown was there and picked both passes off. That and "throwing a receiver open" is also a big myth. If a receiver is covered and there is no separation throwing the ball ahead of him doesn't magically get the receiver separation. According to your idea you're saying no receivers get open so don't waste your time throwing to open receivers instead just throw the ball where you think they'll be. Please watch more football first.
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I don't think you watched Mariotta Monday night throw his guys open multiple times before they made their break!

 

[CowboysBravesSpurs]

You sound clueless but good try. Also are you just a 90s bandwagon fan with those teams?

90s bandwagon? I'm from south texas, how is being a Cowboys & Spurs fan bandwagoning? Lmao. And my Father is a Braves fan, so I grew up a Braves fan. I was too young to witness their success in the 90s. But nice
-try trying to change the subject. Lmao bum.

 

[gjkoeppen]

I don't think you watched Mariotta Monday night throw his guys open multiple times before they made their break!

That is not throwing a receiver open. Throwing a receiver open is a myth. If a receiver has no separation throwing the ball ahead of him is not going to magically get him separation. What Mariotta did was throwing to where he thought and hoped the receivr would be. That works sometimes but we've all seen QB's, even Rodgers, throw where he though the receiver was supposed to be and was. The play may have been drawn up for the receiver to break out and the receiver breaks in and the ball sails out of bounds. Sometimes it's picked off, but throwing to a spot is not always good and bad things have happen because a QB has done that.
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[gjkoeppen]

90s bandwagon? I'm from south texas, how is being a Cowboys & Spurs fan bandwagoning? Lmao. And my Father is a Braves fan, so I grew up a Braves fan. I was too young to witness their success in the 90s. But nice
-try trying to change the subject. Lmao bum.

I agree with you on how being a fan of a team in another sport in another city makes you a bandwagon fan of the Cowboys. There were no Rangers when I started watching baseball and I was a Cubs fan. There was no Mavericks when I started watching the NBA and I was Suns fan. When I started watch NFL I've been a Cowboys fan since day 1, Jan.28, 1960.
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[Sydla]

I really am curious what it would take for some of you to admit that Dak probably isn't that good of a QB.

I suspect some here will never be able to admit it. They will just dig up random excuses until the end of time.

 

[khiladi]

Please stop..

This offense absolutely BLEW with Bledsoe leading the charge and Romo and in and saved the season. Bledsoe held onto the ball way too long and was slow at processing the field and he had the physical tools to throw the ball downfield, while Dak doesn’t.

Bledsoe threw for a whopping 53% and 7 TD and 8 INTs and was sacked 16 times in 6 games in the situation Romo walked into.

The year prior to Romo the Cowboys offensive line gave up 52 sacks that year, over forty plus when Flozell went down, meaning three of the starting OL that Romo played with a large part of his career outside Flozell were mediocre.

Dak in that situation would be a disaster..

Dak stepped into an all-pro line, pretty much all of them playing together for at least three years, with an other worldly RB, who averaged more than 1000 yards after his first contact by a defender.

 

[khiladi]

That is not throwing a receiver open. Throwing a receiver open is a myth. If a receiver has no separation throwing the ball ahead of him is not going to magically get him separation. What Mariotta did was throwing to where he thought and hoped the receivr would be. That works sometimes but we've all seen QB's, even Rodgers, throw where he though the receiver was supposed to be and was. The play may have been drawn up for the receiver to break out and the receiver breaks in and the ball sails out of bounds. Sometimes it's picked off, but throwing to a spot is not always good and bad things have happen because a QB has done that.
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Of course there is throwing a WR open, especially in the context of whether he is being single or double covered or has inside leverage or outside on that particular coverage...

They also have phrases such as “putting it in a position where the WR can make a play...”

 

[Vtwin]

That is not throwing a receiver open. Throwing a receiver open is a myth. If a receiver has no separation throwing the ball ahead of him is not going to magically get him separation. What Mariotta did was throwing to where he thought and hoped the receivr would be. That works sometimes but we've all seen QB's, even Rodgers, throw where he though the receiver was supposed to be and was. The play may have been drawn up for the receiver to break out and the receiver breaks in and the ball sails out of bounds. Sometimes it's picked off, but throwing to a spot is not always good and bad things have happen because a QB has done that.
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You're not a duck hunter are you?

You hit a bird flying straight across your decoys by mentally calculating the relevant factors and aiming out in front of the bird so the bird and the shot meet up. If the bird had a bullet proof vest tagging along one inch behind it wouldn't help the bird.

Switch receiver for bird and defender for bullet proof vest and that's an example of what throwing a guy open is. Definitely not a myth.

 

[gjkoeppen]

I really am curious what it would take for some of you to admit that Dak probably isn't that good of a QB.

I suspect some here will never be able to admit it. They will just dig up random excuses until the end of time.

That you think a 60% change in a great line from 2016 when Prescott played good that has given up more sacks this season than all of 2016 is just an excuse? A line that now doesn't open the same holes for Elliott that takes pressure of whoever the QB would be is just an excuse? Until now not having a real #1 receiver s just an excuse. It's funny that all the Prescott haters don't see a huge difference in the 2016 team where Prescott was NFL offensive rookie of the year and this season's team. They may seem like excuses to you but in reality they are facts as to why Prescott has struggled.
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[gjkoeppen]

You're not a duck hunter are you?

You hit a bird flying straight across your decoys by mentally calculating the relevant factors and aiming out in front of the bird so the bird and the shot meet up. If the bird had a bullet proof vest tagging along one inch behind it wouldn't help the bird.

Switch receiver for bird and defender for bullet proof vest and that's an example of what throwing a guy open is. Definitely not a myth.

Here's the HUGE flaw in your analogy. Birds don't know they are getting shot at, defenders know a ball will be coming and if there no separation the defender can knock the ball away or hit the receiver at the same time the ball comes and jar the ball lose. Again throwing the ball ahead of a receiver isn't going to magically get him separation if he has none when the ball is thrown. They have another term for that. It's called thrown into coverage which is usually frowned upon.
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[khiladi]

And how YEARS of experience did Romo, who I have always really like, had before that great game developing those skills. Again as much as I have always like Romo, his 1st pass was a pick, Prescott not so much. Prescott set an NFL record for most completions and attempts before throwing a pick of any rookie QB in league history. When Prescott has as many years of experience as Romo had in the bronco game then you can compare. Again if I had a vote for the HOF I would vote for Romo to get in.
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Wrong... his first NFL pass was a pass to Hurd that went 33 yards. He was 2 for 2 with a passer rating of 158.3

 

[Sydla]

That you think a 60% change in a great line from 2016 when Prescott played good that has given up more sacks this season than all of 2016 is just an excuse? A line that now doesn't open the same holes for Elliott that takes pressure of whoever the QB would be is just an excuse? Until now not having a real #1 receiver s just an excuse. It's funny that all the Prescott haters don't see a huge difference in the 2016 team where Prescott was NFL offensive rookie of the year and this season's team. They may seem like excuses to you but in reality they are facts as to why Prescott has struggled.
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The problem is that he's making mistakes that have nothing to do with his OL or who his WRs are.

Like when he throws into double coverage Monday night and gets intercepted when there were TWO WIDE OPEN WRs, one in his line of vision. That's not the OLs fault or whoever is playing WR's fault. That's his. Or when he willingly runs out of bounds TWICE to take a sack when all he had to do was just shot put the ball out of bounds. That's not the OL's fault. That's his only fault.

In other words, I think people are fooling themselves thinking that if you give him a great OL and great WRs he's going to look like a stud out there.

You are precisely the guy I would expect that will always think Dak was great just only to be let down by everyone around him. You don't seem capable of being a critical thinker.

 

[Vtwin]

Here's the HUGE flaw in your analogy. Birds don't know they are getting shot at, defenders know a ball will be coming and if there no separation the defender can knock the ball away or hit the receiver at the same time the ball comes and jar the ball lose. Again throwing the ball ahead of a receiver isn't going to magically get him separation if he has none when the ball is thrown. They have another term for that. It's called thrown into coverage which is usually frowned upon.
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Well now I know you definitely aren't a duck hunter.

A difference of a foot, or even less, can mean the difference between a completion or a defended pass if the receiver has a step or even a half step on the defender. Good QB's can put the ball in that tight of a window.

Not so good QB's can't. Throw the ball a foot behind where it needs to be and then the defender can make a play. One foot farther out and he can't quite get to it.

Examples are given every week.

It's why the Romo to Dez back shoulder in the endzone worked so well and why it didn't with Dak. Ball has to put in the right spot with little margin for error.

 

[BoysForLife]

Please stop..

This offense absolutely BLEW with Bledsoe leading the charge and Romo and in and saved the season. Bledsoe held onto the ball way too long and was slow at processing the field and he had the physical tools to throw the ball downfield, while Dak doesn’t.

Bledsoe threw for a whopping 53% and 7 TD and 8 INTs and was sacked 16 times in 6 games in the situation Romo walked into.

The year prior to Romo the Cowboys offensive line gave up 52 sacks that year, over forty plus when Flozell went down, meaning three of the starting OL that Romo played with a large part of his career outside Flozell were mediocre.

Dak in that situation would be a disaster..

Dak stepped into an all-pro line, pretty much all of them playing together for at least three years, with an other worldly RB, who averaged more than 1000 yards after his first contact by a defender.

BBBBBuuuttth that was a loaded team with a record number of pro bowlers and just the best Cowboys team in history in Romo ruined it

I've read it on here dozens of times it has to be true doesn't it? LOL

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Revenge is a Dak-Dish best served ....Cold....Forgive us Tony as we got Dak-Bamboozled.....