Dak Won't be able to get Cooper the ball

[nalam]

and yet Dak could have sealed the end of the game with that pass to Gallup at the end of the game but threw it short. Cooper's route running and YAC are winning right now. Dak is playing fine but I feel this is as good as it gets with Dak. Those passes, Dak had time to throw. He still struggles making quick decisions.

I said it during the game too, of course throw was a bit short but also Gallup instead of waiting for the ball to come to him , jumped higher than the DB to catch it could have come up with it, still through the body of DB the ball hit his hands. It could be me only, but I see he is dropping a lot of contested balls, if I remember his draft scouting , that should be not the case , hopefully it will improve.

 

[Kevinicus]

Idk if they showed it on tv, but in person we saw Payne take out Dak's plant foot a fraction of a second before the throw makinh Dak skip the pass.

For those that watched did they show that on the replay or no?

Yes, nobody touched him. His footing issue on the play was all his own.

 

[HungryLion]

Man, the amount of people who get triggered by anything positive being said about the QB is unbelievable.

Some can’t even admit it, if he does play a good game overall.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I'm wondering if all QBs should have their stats deducted for WRs who gain big yards or get TDs after short to mid range throws or is it just Dak that has that taken away from his stats by the logic of some,

No the argument is that Dak has not been good. He was not good yesterday. And he's been pedestrian over the last 4 games. Two throws which account for an outsized amount of his yards over this 4 game stretch is evidence. Especially when these throws were low difficulty for Dak and almost 100% incredible efforts by the WR.

This shouldn't be difficult to understand.

 

[lopey]

Lopey would you agree with this?

In 2016 we were a legitimate contender, correct?
And that was with Garrett, Linehan, and a much worse defense. If we upgraded from Garrett and Linehan to coaches that could get our offense to performing at 2016 levels, we could win a SB with this much better defense, right? Or no?

When we run on all cylinders in 2016 we beat everyone. Dak needs a perfect line and running game to succeed. Some games that won't be there so can he carry us? I am not sure he can.

 

[Rayman70]

I said it during the game too, of course throw was a bit short but also Gallup instead of waiting for the ball to come to him , jumped higher than the DB to catch it could have come up with it, still through the body of DB the ball hit his hands. It could be me only, but I see he is dropping a lot of contested balls, if I remember his draft scouting , that should be not the case , hopefully it will improve.

Gallup had both hands on the ball, while not a perfect throw, it should have been caught. The kid will learn.

 

[conner01]

There was someone in his face & he was backpecaling. Therefore, since he couldn't step into the throw, it was going to be a shot in the dark. But let's leave all of that detail out of it to help shape our agendas.

The brown pass was really one he should have made
The Gallup pass he did have pressure but I loved that it was called
Playing to win

 

[PUSHfold]

Exactly and as we all saw he motioned to Gallup with his left hand that the throw was going deep, but alas the Dinkster came up withyet another short throw. Some will have us believe that his backpedaling caused a short pass. Than the next question would be, why call for and than attempt a deep pass at that point. Agendas aside, we must employ critical thinking at times rather than “ emotional cop outs”

Dude...the pass to Gallup was indeed short but there is absolutely no excuse why he didn't call that ball...it was a VERY CATCHABLE BALL it went RIGHT THROUGH HIS ARMS/HANDS. Tons of Dak's throws aren't perfect but too many of them are catchable and aren't being caught. I watch other teams WRs and somehow someway they're able to help their QB out and catch a lot of those passes but not here. If a pass whether a good one or a bad one hits you square in the hands there's absolutely zero excuse for not catching it when you're making millions of dollars playing professional football.

Bottom line is WRs need to be better and Dak needs to be better.

 

[PUSHfold]

To be fair, the 90 yard TD and 40 yard TD yesterday, skewed those stats heavily. While I agree Cooper was a great acquisition, and Dak actually seems like a better QB with him, Coop made both of those plays happen.

Yeah they do...but it's also 2 less games. Do you know if ANY of those stats from Oakland don't include a long YAC?

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

No the argument is that Dak has not been good. He was not good yesterday. And he's been pedestrian over the last 4 games. Two throws which account for an outsized amount of his yards over this 4 game stretch is evidence. Especially when these throws were low difficulty for Dak and almost 100% incredible efforts by the WR.

This shouldn't be difficult to understand.

Nah still doesn't make sense to me to single out Dak. No matter how he played before yesterday. Unless stat trackers start to break down every game and take away low difficulty throws from QBs. As well as throws in which the WRs/RB takes it for huge YAC and TDs and subtracts those stats from every QB. Then it still won't make sense in my eyes to nit pick Dak and Dak only when it comes to YAC.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Man, the amount of people who get triggered by anything positive being said about the QB is unbelievable.

Some can’t even admit it, if he does play a good game overall.

Some complain about the policing of other fans on this board when it comes to expressing negativity. But, it seems some are always ready to come into positive Dak threads to try and tone down the OP of the thread who just wishes to give Dak some credit.

 

[Philmonroe]

When we run on all cylinders in 2016 we beat everyone. Dak needs a perfect line and running game to succeed. Some games that won't be there so can he carry us? I am not sure he can.

How many games in his career can we have a majority of people say it was Dak that carried us? I can't think of any currently but I'm also willing to admit someone could jog my memory too.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Nah still doesn't make sense to me to single out Dak. No matter how he played before yesterday. Unless stat trackers start to break down every game and take away low difficulty throws from QBs. As well as throws in which the WRs/RB takes it for huge YAC and TDs and subtracts those stats from every QB. Then it still won't make sense in my eyes to nit pick Dak and Dak only when it comes to YAC.

QBR does take into consideration YAC and seeks to assign credit to QB and WR.

"That means on completed passes, the EPA is divided among the quarterback, his receivers and the offensive line based on how far the ball travels in the air, what percentage of the yards were gained after the catch (compared to how many yards after catch are expected) and whether the quarterback was under pressure. This division of credit is based on statistical analysis of thousands upon thousands of NFL plays. "

In this metric Dak is ranked 22nd in the league. And yeah that sounds about right...Dak has been a bottom 10 QB this season.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

 

[Number1]

IMO, there's a lot of Jack Daniels flowing through this thread

Amari is a real deal R1 WR with NFL experience - at age 24 in good health - a R1 pick for him is dirt cheap

face it, Dak is as cool as they come - his 1.49 INT% is the key stat of this team, he's thrown 1 dumb INT this season
he rarely does anything dumb and works progressions with serious diligence
and he is a red zone threat in and of himself

perfect touch - naw - misses 2/+ easy throws a game

He hasn't missed a start since entering the NFL, only Brady and Big Ben have delivered more wins in that time span.
think about that for a minute

As for Gallup - like Dak and Brown and Lewis and Beasley and Woods and Heath ... awesome talent often slips - the draft is more a popularity contest than a talent eval
he has the stuff to do this, IMO an incredibly talented deep WR - Dak keeps missing him deep - when that get's fixed this is an awesome offense

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The haters said...resoundingly.

After 4 games...a comparison:

In 4 games with Dallas from Dak:

32 targets, 22 catches, 349 yards, 15.9 ypc, 3tds, 5.5rpg, 87.3 ypg, 68.8% catch%.


In 6 games with Oakland from Carr(a REAL qb):

32 targets, 22 catches, 280 yards, 12.7 ypc, 1 td, 3.7 rpg, 46.7 ypg, 68.8% catch %

So in two less games he has already eclipsed his production in Oakland.

I don't know about any "Haters" but I don't really think people meant that Dak would not or could not physically get Cooper the ball. I think that what most fans believed or, perhaps a better way of saying it is, feared, is that the Coaching Staff would not be able to use him correctly and honestly, I still kinda believe that they aren't using him correctly. I mean, the 90 yard TD was a short catch that Cooper turned into a 90 yarder. I think the Offense needs to to use his deep speed even more but they seem to be content to just use him short. Thank God that Cooper is talented enough to turn short completions into game breaking plays thus far. I honestly believe that if they use him to stretch the field more, what we've seen from the Offense is just the tip of the Iceberg.

 

[charron]

There are no less than 31 other starting quarterbacks who can throw a 5 yard pass and a 20 yard pass. But there might be 3 other receivers who could have turned those passes into a clinic on how to get by db's. Like amari did. While they were good passes those passes by themselves weren't amazing.

 

[Eanwen]

Try and stay on topic. Not sure what the play to Gallup has to do with Cooper?

And if you notice, since you brought him up, Dak and Gallup are just not on the the same page. 42.9% catch percentage. I put a huge chunk of this failure on Gallup. Drops, bad routes and not looking for the ball. Dak has had some misses too but Dak is clearly not comfortable throwing to him.

Didn't read the whole thread, but Gallup certainly needs to work on making contested catches. It's like he and Chido are related lol.

Having said that, Dak needs to do a better job getting the ball to Gallup when Gallup is wide open, which happens a lot. He's killing dbs with the double moves.

 

[Runwildboys]

Yeah they do...but it's also 2 less games. Do you know if ANY of those stats from Oakland don't include a long YAC?

I don't know. That's a fair point, especially if they do.

 

[Runwildboys]

Yes, nobody touched him. His footing issue on the play was all his own.

It looked like it was one of his hopping throws.

 

[Blackrain]

Most of the long gains were short to midrange passes in which bad tackling led to inflated passing yards so let’s just be real about that. Like others have said it’s all Cooper and very little Prescott on those plays. I’m sure continued games against pathetic NFC East opponents will continue these numbers.

However, Dak’s rushing touchdown was very, I dare say, very Romoesque

Romo rushed for 5 TDs in his whole 10 yr career Dak has that many this year