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[QuincyCarterEra]

The issue with Dak is if he is accending or decending. Some of his stats are nice but came his rookie year. It doesn’t really mean much if he is not improving and that is the issue some have with him. These last four games may be him finally getting over that Atlanta game from last year and regaining some confidence. The bottom line is Dak needs to keep improving. If he does, the detractors wii get back on board.

He's ascending after hitting a rough patch

 

[Ranched]

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

and its idiocy to just blindly credit dak with 29 wins just because he is taking snaps from the center
he just does too many things to hinder the teams offense to write that blank check

Nobody is talking contract here.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Yawns



Daks Passer Rating is high because he doesnt throw INTs (he fumbles instead)

Just looking at passer rating to judge a QB is stupid

 

[sbark]

Nobody is talking contract here.

In life....it always comes down to " follow the money"

 

[Fan4ever]

Yawns

Daks Passer Rating is high because he doesnt throw INTs (he fumbles instead)

Just looking at passer rating to judge a QB is stupid

Agree with this. If only he learned/was coached to throw it away b4 he is sacked, a lot of his numbers would improve and would help the team in avoiding giving away hard earned yards..

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Just a reminder for those that seem to have forgotten. Dak isnt even through with his 3rd season.

He is not a finished product.

 

[sweetness0986]

And Tom Brady has been to 2 Super Bowls since 2016.

How we always manage these types of stats and come nowhere near the grand prize is beyond me.

Or maybe it’s coaching.

 

[Kevinicus]

The completion % is close between the two so your assumption completion % aiding YPA is moot. Basically the two QBs have very similar stats yet one is called a "bus driver" by our fans and the other isn't.

I disagree that trends are far more meaningful than career numbers when comparing the two since they have both only played just over 2.5 seasons. It's not like we are comparing two 10 year vets. Three years of sample size is just about right. It's enough data yet it doesn't account for how someone played, both good and bad, long time a go.

Bus driver is typically define as someone who mainly throws short passes. If YPA stat isn't part of what define a bus driver what does?

The short careers is the exact reason why trends are far more meaningful. This case illustrates it clearly as both rookie seasons skew their stats a ton. Rookie seasons are the least reliable for analyzing a QB.

That's not what a bus driver is defined as exactly. Bus drivers can have higher YPA because when they throw is more carefully chosen, they don't take risks, even when they should, they rely heavily on the running game and defense for opportunities.

 

[Kevinicus]

IDK, I'll take 29-14 over 2.75 years. I can see a play-off game in the near future too. SB? Yes it's a team effort. The QB is considered to be the leader, whether it was Romo or it's Dak. Rightfully or wrongfully the QB takes the brunt of the criticism or the accolades. Romo did, Dak does. Better have gator skin if you want to be a QB in Dallas. A short memory at the least.

What does 29-14 in 2.75 years project to over 8 years? A few playoff wins would certainly make it look even better. That was the bitter Romo pill.

Wins = Team stat.

Get a good QB in here and those wins are higher.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Wins = Team stat.

Get a good QB in here and those wins are higher.

And if your fantasy doesn't happen after "good QB" is brought in? Will you own up to being wrong or will you move the goal post?

 

[Zman5]

The short careers is the exact reason why trends are far more meaningful. This case illustrates it clearly as both rookie seasons skew their stats a ton. Rookie seasons are the least reliable for analyzing a QB.

That's not what a bus driver is defined as exactly. Bus drivers can have higher YPA because when they throw is more carefully chosen, they don't take risks, even when they should, they rely heavily on the running game and defense for opportunities.

Yo don't want to make a decision based solely on any one season. Good or bad. Rookie season or not. But to dismiss the rookie season all together is also silly for players who only played little over 2.5 years in the league. That's why I said 3 year mark is a good one to go by and that's what most FO will base their decision on. And that's what most good coaches will tell you also (Landry, Parcells).

And your comment about YPA isn't true when comparing two players with similar completion %.

 

[conner01]

I don't think anyone is saying Dak doesn't need work. But some are saying he's garbage and whatnot. Those people don't know a QB position.

Some fans only see a super star or a bust
Some guys are in between

 

[CowboyRoy]

May not be the sexy guy but he wins?

When the Oline plays well, Dak can play with the best of them. Extension please?

 

[CowboyRoy]

There's no doubt Dak had a bad 2017, and a bad start to 2018. But he was phenomenal in his rookie year and is startingto look the same way again, sincethe Cooper trade. Haters can criticize all they want for every bad play, but he's making more good than bad and we are winning with him at QB.

He has a ton of room for improvement, especially when it comes to pocket presence, but you cannot objectively deny that he has earned these positive stats so far.

Dak had a bad 2nd half to 2017 and poor start to THIS year because the Oline went in the toilet. THATS IT!!!

Anyone that keeps acting like he simply played poorly for no reason doesnt understand QB play or the game of football.

 

[blueblood70]

look A lot of us who are critical are NOT haters, I for sure am on the fence about his future as a franchise QB but for sure.

Daks a starting QB but right now hovering around 16th in the league and thats not bad but its the pocket presence, taking sacks that should be thrown away or holding it to long before throwing it, and the fumbles..

if he fixes some of this he will get more respect.. He cost us two games with TOS this year and takes too many sacks putting us behind the chains which cost us scoring drives..If he played d but better in those areas we would be 2-3 games better the last 2 years..Ive seen him throw a lot better since Amari got here even in the titans loss he threw some very accurate balls, hit some long throws etc etc but he has to fix those pocket issues or he will never be better than average starter etc..

Im hoping for his success finding starters is tough but id like QB to be abit more aggressive throwing , for sure hitting open guys hes not seeing the field or missing them and stop fumbling and taking unnecessary sacks..

thats my gripe and my debate would be IF we extend him we better keep in fair for both sides and only what he deserves, some crazy QB money would be mistake.. 18-20 over 5yrs front loaded would be ok with me..giving him 25plus would be bad business decsions and hamstring this team if Dak has hit his ceiling..I said IF..

 

[Idgit]

So, in other words, Jason Garrett is tied for wins with Bill Belichick, Sean Payton and Pete Carroll.

Imagine that.

It’s not the first time it’s been mentioned, btw.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Yawns



Daks Passer Rating is high because he doesnt throw INTs (he fumbles instead)

Just looking at passer rating to judge a QB is stupid

Dak is every bit Alex Smith; there’s both good and bad to that.

 

[wssaustin]

Brandon Weeden's rating wasn't bad at all in the 15 losing streak.

 

[Kevinicus]

And if your fantasy doesn't happen after "good QB" is brought in? Will you own up to being wrong or will you move the goal post?

What you call fantasy is logic and probability, and a long history of paying attention to the game.
But if we brought in someone I felt was good, and the team was essentially as it is now, and there wasn't more team success, I would be surprised, but admit I was wrong. Will you do the same? Will you guys stop moving the goal posts after every game (sometimes every play)?