Video: Troy Aikman on accuracy: You either have it or you don't

[Captain-Crash]

I usually stay out of these Dak arguments, but the Tim Tebow stuff is taking it a little too far. Tebow couldn't even throw a semblance of a spiral more than half the time. He often had games where he was like 5 of 19 for 50 yards.

Dak has never been that bad. I understand he's never going to be a fantastic pure passer, but he's over 68 percent this season alone, and the dinking and dunking ended after Cooper got here.

Tim won a playoff game. Until he wins one he's the lesser of the two.

 

[Aviano90]

Come on man, I really don't want to do a research project to prove a point for someone on a forum, that the law of diminishing returns works. I've graduated college, and am glad that I don't need to worry about such assignments anymore. This 2016 example, well one of the games you were talking about Zeek had a minimum amount of carries to get that nice YPC. The YPC thing is on a per game basis, high number of attempts in a game should increase the number of yards total but at the cost of YPC. a non extreme number of carries should result in an increase of YPC but at the cost of total yards in the game. Then you have the whole thing about that in some games you face good defenses and in other games you face bad defenses. The law of diminishing returns would still apply but obviously you get lower base YPC against a good defenses and higher base YPC against a bad defense.. This all tends to even out at the end of the season, because your sample size is bigger than just a few games, enough so that you can compare end of seasons YPC of one back versus another. But honestly, I don't see the benefit of arguing what is considered a "law" of logic in our society to someone, and doing an assignment comparing how the cowboys did against each defense compared to how other defenses did to them, making charts and graphs, just to prove that yes, the Law of Diminishing returns applies here. I mean it would be just like someone giving me an assignment on a forum because they don't believe in the Law of Relativity or such.

I fully believe in the law of diminishing returns, just not in football. LOL. You are just pulling this out of your butt because you think it sounds good.

 

[cern]

The difference though, is with those examples the target is stationary.

Throwing to a moving target adds a few more variables that must be processed. Every throw is a completely different situation. It's the ability to process those variables and make the accurate throw that is innate for the consistently accurate QB's.

The comebacks and the go routes have less variables so are easier to complete. Crossing routes and posts require more anticipation and are harder to complete.

To my eyes Dak needs to see the target and throw to what he sees. He struggles with calculating where his target is going to be when the ball gets there and throwing to that spot.

I get what you're saying, but to my eyes dak has relatively poor throwing mechanics. throws mainly with his arm, and foregoes the wrist action necessary for accuracy.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Tim won a playoff game. Until he wins one he's the lesser of the two.

No offense, but Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer won Super Bowls, Dan Marino and Jim Kelly did not.

With all due respect, Dak Prescott is ten times the QB Tebow was.

 

[Aviano90]

Why would Romo fans have hated Troy? iirc Troy had nothing but praise for Romo.

Because they always tore him down to prop Romo up.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I get what you're saying, but to my eyes dak has relatively poor throwing mechanics. throws mainly with his arm, and foregoes the wrist action necessary for accuracy.

Most of Dak's throwing problems are with his feet and his shoulders. When the ball sails on him he's not stepping into his throws. When he misses open receivers he's not turning his body square to hit the target.

These are things real QB coaches work out of their players, but Dallas has Kellen Moore in that position.

 

[Captain-Crash]

No offense, but Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer won Super Bowls, Dan Marino and Jim Kelly did not.

With all due respect, Dak Prescott is ten times the QB Tebow was.

none taking. It only took Tim one year to win a playoff game. LOL
As a member of the Denver Broncos, he started the last three games of his rookie season and became the team's full-time starting quarterback beginning in the sixth game of 2011. The Broncos were 1–4 before he became the starter, but began winning with him on the field, often coming from behind late in the fourth quarter, until they won their first AFC West title and first playoff game since 2005, defeating the Pittsburgh Steelers in overtime.[5]

Dak in his 3rd season is still working on things a guy works on in high school and college.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

none taking. It only took Tim one year to win a playoff game. LOL
As a member of the Denver Broncos, he started the last three games of his rookie season and became the team's full-time starting quarterback beginning in the sixth game of 2011. The Broncos were 1–4 before he became the starter, but began winning with him on the field, often coming from behind late in the fourth quarter, until they won their first AFC West title and first playoff game since 2005, defeating the Pittsburgh Steelers in overtime.[5]

I get the feeling we could see something similar in Baltimore and Lamar Jackson this year.

 

[Sinister]

So you wouldn't resign Zeke since he was also accused of sexual assault?

First of all Zeke was never accused of sexual assault. Second it's one thing to deal with your own players problems it's a completely other thing to bring in those kind of problems by other players to your team see Greg Hardy. Do you really want to deal with that again?

I don't.

 

[nate dizzle]

Because they always tore him down to prop Romo up.

I don't recall that. Maybe that was a CZ thing?

 

[Pass2Run]

Spot on. I can understand Dak being careful with the ball but I get the impression that he lacks confidence in his arm and also smells a huge payday. He's content to just let Zeke and the D do their thing and just ride their success to his next contract.

I'm sorry, but his performance is putrid for a guy who's being discussed as the next franchise QB of any NFL team. But to the ill informed who don't know (or don't care) about what they're seeing, 20 for 25, 161 yards and an inflated QBR smells of greatness. And just think we need to re-sign Cooper who is going to demand huge money to play for a team with a QB who can't pass the rock. It'll be more wasted money.

Serious question .

What is Aikman's completion percentage?

Dak' s?

Inter. Ratio?

V.

Dak?

 

[Vtwin]

I get what you're saying, but to my eyes dak has relatively poor throwing mechanics. throws mainly with his arm, and foregoes the wrist action necessary for accuracy.

I hear ya.
In theory that stuff can be coached but it can be difficult to not revert back to the ingrained bad form when the heat is on.

 

[Pass2Run]

Aikman acts like he had Romo passing numbers.

 

[Captain-Crash]

How many rings? that's what matters. heck how many playoff wins. *chuckles* now he's better than Troy and Bradshaw.. oh my

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

At this point I dont care if DAK is the next Tom Brady or the next Mark Sanchez.....Bottom line, this team is winning and that what counts... Not worried about what type of QB DAK is or is not....as long as he WINS.....

All I care about is winning....JUST WIN .... everything else is second

I can get down with not caring about how Dak wins just as long as we win bit. But we had our first tastes of what the playoffs would be like against the Colts, and it didn't work then. And the game prior and the one after where we did won had troubling signs. We can win in the regular season, but as of yet, I'm worried about the post season.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I fully believe in the law of diminishing returns, just not in football. LOL. You are just pulling this out of your butt because you think it sounds good.

Why would the football field, a production environment, be different from other production environments? You don't think that eventually a back would make the law true because he would be exhausted for too many carries? In fact, don't having too many carries have long term effects on running backs where they do bad the following seasons because they carried the ball too many times? That by itself would prove that the law of diminishing returns works. So you think that you can just increase the number of carries and the YPC will never drop, the player won't get injured, die even... exhaustion comes before that.

 

[Philmonroe]

the limit to which one can achieve a certain thing is genetic. husain bolt was taught certain things about running like keeping the head still and the proper way to get off the blocks.. but what untimately determines his speed is his genetic makeup. he also goes through a specific training regimen. most qb's continue to improve until their later 20's and early 30's. not sure where you get the ego thing from. makes no sense at all.

Most qbs don't continue to improve physically until their late 20's please. Their stats might improve from knowledge of their sport but their physical development been stopped a long time ago. The ego thing makes sense but if you disagree eh whatever.

 

[Aviano90]

Why would the football field, a production environment, be different from other production environments? You don't think that eventually a back would make the law true because he would be exhausted for too many carries? In fact, don't having too many carries have long term effects on running backs where they do bad the following seasons because they carried the ball too many times? That by itself would prove that the law of diminishing returns works. So you think that you can just increase the number of carries and the YPC will never drop, the player won't get injured, die even... exhaustion comes before that.

I am sure it sounds good in your head. I have given you an example of it not being true.

 

[Aviano90]

I don't recall that. Maybe that was a CZ thing?

They constantly say things like “well so and so only has 1 ring”, “so and so only has a ring because of their defense”, “Tony would have won those rings in the 90’s, Aikman couldn’t win with Tonys team”, “ what did Aikman do when his line fell apart”.

Romo fans constantly put Romo in the perfect situation for success and knock other QBs. Been happening for years.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Why would Romo fans have hated Troy? iirc Troy had nothing but praise for Romo.

Yeah Idk about that I loved Troy Aikman. I like Romo cause he’s a homie. I loved emmit smith and I think Zeke a beast.

I don’t think all Romo fans hate Aikman. There’s contingency of fans who like both QBs. I personally think Aikman was a better qb, and compare Romo to being slightly better than a Danny White - which isn’t bad