Video: Troy Aikman on accuracy: You either have it or you don't

[cern]

Most qbs don't continue to improve physically until their late 20's please. Their stats might improve from knowledge of their sport but their physical development been stopped a long time ago. The ego thing makes sense but if you disagree eh whatever.

a man's and woman's physical peak is the late 20's to early 30's. it's just a proven fact. I am not including libido or self perception of one's sexual prowess. perhaps that is where the ego thing comes into it for you. while true, I did get far more women in my later years, i'm sure money had a lot to do with it.

 

[DallasEast]

Hey, Troy, I thought you said, "You either have it or you don't?"

So......what happened to you coming out of college and during your first 2 years as a Cowboy?

Just shut it, Troy.

Some people are stuck arguing quarterbacks but this graph contains a major flaw based on a common fallacy. Quarterbacks should not be propped up or weigh down by win/loss record. Win/loss record is always more reflective of the overall team than one player.

Aikman inherited a team that was on the backside of a 7-9, 7-8 and 3-11 slide to the bottom of the NFL. Romo took over after a stabilizing Parcells influence that, while also included a 6-10 season the year before, corrected the Campo 5-11 seasons with a totally unexpected 10-6 campaign plus wild card appearance. Prescott assumed a previous 4-12 team that had been on the east coast side of a Super Bowl contending 12-4 team after (and despite) three straight west coast side seasons of .500 football.

I think it can be safely stated as fact Aikman's team had a more higher and demanding climb during their first two years than Romo or Prescott's teams. There is a LOT of mudslinging about these quarterbacks but TEAM records should be left out of the conversations since it is a sub-topic built on quicksand. Maybe the current topic can return to what Aikman actually said and get totally away from how poor or good each TEAM's quarterback and their TEAMmates happened to be their first two years together.

 

[ItzKelz]

It’s obvious to everyone except Dak fans who make up those fake bravado about being a winner

The most accurate QB in NFL history....accuracy can be worked on. Brees first 3 seasons, 55%, 60%, 57% accuracy.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

True , all QB’s have issues but do some of these young QB’s who are elevating their teams to the playoffs have some of these issues and concerns we have with Dak?

Have we ever had a starting QB with these issues and concerns?

Is it possible that winning games is over shadowing his weaknesses with many fans?

I'm sure there are some, not everybody is a rabid Cowboys/NFL fan. But I'm also sure there are people who realize Dak was a 4th round pick, and therefore was not as "NFL ready" as a Goff, Newton, etc. and would take longer to get to say, top 10 status.

Mahomes, for example was the 10th overall pick, while not every top draft pick is so successful, you would certainly think it would be more likely he'd do that, given his draft position, as well as going to a team with an Andy Reid, a proven quarterback developer.

Too many people assume that by his third year a quarterback just HAS to be a top performer or he's "trash"...

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Alot of truth there. But this is also where you want an accurate quarterback, in case that the defense decides to sell out on Zeek, then the Quarterback needs to make them pay for it. With Troy you had that. With Dak, defenses are literally daring him to throw it.

Agreed, but it still comes down to whether or not someone thinks Dak can improve. I think he can, and that he doesn't have to improve by leaps and bounds, a couple of plays here and there, like a good throw, throwing the ball away to avoid a sack or tucking the ball away to avoid a fumble, and he'll significantly upgrade what the team can do...

 

[Haimerej]

Fact is, you can't compare the two.

So... why were you trying to make a point by doing so?

 

[tyke1doe]

That's the other thing the Dak "haters" do....

Make stuff up.

You said that, not me.

I said in today's era, he may be... And may means it could turn out that he would be better, but in a strictly hypothetical situation.

But may also means maybe not.

Fact is, you can't compare the two.

One is done with his career, and one is getting started.

But I think it's possible, maybe even more likely than not, Dak will one day be talked about among the same names as Aikman, Romo, White, Staubach, etc.

Acheman was a good player, but the only reason he made the implication about accuracy was to stroke his ego. The implication being, "I was accurate, he's not."

Don't let Troy's reputation as an "accurate" quarterback fool you into thinking he never made an inaccurate pass...Troy was a good player, but he's a doofus in the booth and has been ever since he got the gig.

There is this pesky little word in the English language called INTENT!
The INTENT of your comparison is to somehow suggest that Dak may, could, probably is on par with Aikman.
That is LAUGHABLE.
If I could author a survey of current and former players and coaches in the NFL, likely NO ONE would select Dak over Aikman.
NO ONE!

And I like how you changed the narrative. Even you know your comparison is RIDICULOUS.
No one said Aikman never threw an inaccurate pass.
I've never said Dak never threw an accurate pass. But he CONSISTENTLY throws inaccurate passes, misses open receiver and refuses to let to of the ball, resulting in too many sacks.

As for your assessment of his job in the booth, you're welcome to your opinion just as you are with your absurd suggestion that Dak MIGHT BE more accurate than Aikman.
However, the fact that Aikman IS STILL in the top commentator/play-by-play position is an objective measurement that he is anything BUT a doofus.

Dak MAY BE better than Aikman.

These Dak fanboys.

 

[America's Cowboy]

The most accurate QB in NFL history....accuracy can be worked on. Brees first 3 seasons, 55%, 60%, 57% accuracy.

Exactly my point, which this time I deride Aikman. Accuracy can be worked on and improved while in the NFL, not just the "either you've got it or you don't" saying of Aikman's.

 

[Hadenough]

Aikman and Bradshaw are right! either you have accuracy or you dont! I have heard from other retired NFL QBs that you have a certain amount of throws that you have to make in a game that your off balance! Dak cant do that because we have seen Beasley open 15 yards away and Dak is off balance and throws is 5 yards short into the ground. But more concerning about Dak is THIS! Its a video about the opening season game with the Panthers and breaking down Dak and Linehan.
If you want to see about Dak speed ahead the the 12 min mark but the whole video is interesting if you have time.

 

[tyke1doe]

Hey, Troy, I thought you said, "You either have it or you don't?"

So......what happened to you coming out of college and during your first 2 years as a Cowboy?

Just shut it, Troy.

Do you realize that Troy almost got MURDERED his first two years in the league?
1-15, 7-9. In both years, Troy got injured.

 

[tyke1doe]

So... why were you trying to make a point by doing so?

He's just rambling. He knows his comparison is beyond ridiculous. And now he's trying to backtrack.
Stats are very useful but even they need to be accurately interpreted, and they have to comport to reality.
Aikman suffered far more abuse his first two years than Dak ever did. Aikman played on far worse teams than Dak his first two years. Dak's receivers his first two years were better than Aikman's receivers his first two years. Dak's offensive line was better than Aikman's his first two years. Aikman was injured his first two years compared to Dak.

ALL these factors must be, er, factored into understanding stats.

But when people want to make a point, they take stats out of context without properly interpreting them.

Dak MAY BE more accurate than Aikman.

It makes me laugh every time I read it.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Do you realize that Troy almost got MURDERED his first two years in the league?
1-15, 7-9. In both years, Troy got injured.

Do you realize Dak has almost gotten murdered this year??? He's about to break the franchise record in getting sacked for one season. We are so lucky Dak's body has withstood the gamely beat down it has received this season due to getting sacked just about more than any previous Cowboys QB has in 1 season. You, Troy and everyone else should take such an important fact into consideration.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Some people are stuck arguing quarterbacks but this graph contains a major flaw based on a common fallacy. Quarterbacks should not be propped up or weigh down by win/loss record. Win/loss record is always more reflective of the overall team than one player.

Aikman inherited a team that was on the backside of a 7-9, 7-8 and 3-11 slide to the bottom of the NFL. Romo took over after a stabilizing Parcells influence that, while also included a 6-10 season the year before, corrected the Campo 5-11 seasons with a totally unexpected 10-6 campaign plus wild card appearance. Prescott assumed a previous 4-12 team that had been on the east coast side of a Super Bowl contending 12-4 team after (and despite) three straight west coast side seasons of .500 football.

I think it can be safely stated as fact Aikman's team had a more higher and demanding climb during their first two years than Romo or Prescott's teams. There is a LOT of mudslinging about these quarterbacks but TEAM records should be left out of the conversations since it is a sub-topic built on quicksand. Maybe the current topic can return to what Aikman actually said and get totally away from how poor or good each TEAM's quarterback and their TEAMmates happened to be their first two years together.

I’d argue “ QB W/L” is the single dumbest stat in football. Anyone with a brain should see the inherent flaws with it immediately.

 

[BoysForLife]

Do you realize Dak has almost gotten murdered this year??? He's about to break the franchise record in getting sacked for one season. We are so lucky Dak's body has withstood the gamely beat down it has received this season due to getting sacked just about more than any previous Cowboys QB has in 1 season. You, Troy and everyone else should take such an important fact into consideration.

Many many of those sacks are his fault.
Doesn't see open guys, panics, holds ball too long.

The Aikman example proves this. The same O line that became the "Great Wall" was the same O line (minus Big E) that was blocking for Aikman when he was getting killed. Newton, Stepnoski, Gogan, Tuinei, all those guys were there. All of them.

Once he realized how to read a defense and get the ball out quickly, all of a sudden the O line became amazing. It took Troy about 2 years to do it at high efficiency.

How long is it going to take Dak?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Many many of those sacks are his fault.
Doesn't see open guys, panics, holds ball too long.

The Aikman example proves this. The same O line that became the "Great Wall" was the same O line (minus Big E) that was blocking for Aikman when he was getting killed. Newton, Stepnoski, Gogan, Tuinei, all those guys were there. All of them.

Once he realized how to read a defense and get the ball out quickly, all of a sudden the O line became amazing. It took Troy about 2 years to do it at high efficiency.

How long is it going to take Dak?

You're right in stating a QB has to help it's Oline at times, but it actually took for Coach Jimmy Johnson to bring in his new Oline coach to fix the late 80s Oline's blocking.

 

[BoysForLife]

You're right in stating a QB has to help it's Oline at times, but it actually took for Coach Jimmy Johnson to bring in his new Oline coach to fix the late 80s Oline's blocking.

Not correct
Jimmy hired Tony Wise from his start in Dallas in 1989.
Wise was the O line coach all the way through the Super Bowl in 1992, then left to go to Chicago with Wannstedt.

Same O line coach, all the years in Dallas leading up to the first super Bowl. Nothing changed there.

Once Aikman figured it out, all of a sudden Tony Wise was an amazing coach and the Great Wall was the best O line in history.

I would argue drafting Emmitt in 1990 helped a lot. A good running game always takes pressure off the QB. But we have the leagues leading rusher already, so we're back to my original question......

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Not correct
Jimmy hired Tony Wise from his start in Dallas in 1989.
Wise was the O line coach all the way through the Super Bowl in 1992, then left to go to Chicago with Wannstedt.

Same O line coach, all the years in Dallas leading up to the first super Bowl. Nothing changed there.

Once Aikman figured it out, all of a sudden Tony Wise was an amazing coach and the Great Wall was the best O line in history.

I would argue drafting Emmitt in 1990 helped a lot. A good running game always takes pressure off the QB. But we have the leagues leading rusher already, so we're back to my original question......

Let’s not even bring up the fact a lot of these sacks with Dak are self-inflicted.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Not correct
Jimmy hired Tony Wise from his start in Dallas in 1989.
Wise was the O line coach all the way through the Super Bowl in 1992, then left to go to Chicago with Wannstedt.

Same O line coach, all the years in Dallas leading up to the first super Bowl. Nothing changed there.

Once Aikman figured it out, all of a sudden Tony Wise was an amazing coach and the Great Wall was the best O line in history.

I would argue drafting Emmitt in 1990 helped a lot. A good running game always takes pressure off the QB. But we have the leagues leading rusher already, so we're back to my original question......

But you forget that like Aikman's first few years, Dak this year has had a bunch of backups starting as his Oline, plus an Oline coaching change was made midseason. Plus, Dak lost his #1 TE Witten and #1 WR Dez during the offseason and they were replaced by JAGS and #2s, #3s and #4s, along with some rookies. Until the trade midseason to bring in Amari, Dak has not had any legit threat at WR and still not yet at TE the way Aikman had. BIG DIFFERENCE.

 

[gimmesix]

I agree with you.
Unfortunately the ways people are these days creates factions of fans where people feel the need to chose sides and fight anyone who doesn’t agree.

This goes for everything these days, sports, politics, religion.

Too many people too insecure to have discussions in an honest respectable way.

Some people feel the need to post the same venom over and over.

In regards to Dak....he is what he is both good and bad. He can improve the areas he is bad. He won’t ever be Aaron Rodgers or Brady. This doesn’t mean he can’t win. He is our QB for the foreseeable future no matter how much toxic venom some poster repeatedly post thread after thread.

A quarterback like Cam Newton made it to the Super Bowl not because he's better than someone like Dak, but because his team was better. Everyone wants a Rodgers or a Brady, but there are few out there with that kind of ability and even when you have one of those, it doesn't guarantee success. Rodgers has been a starter for 11 seasons, and has one Super Bowl appearance and victory.

However, the level of your QB play does directly affect how good you have to be at other aspects of the game.

 

[kskboys]

QB's who are/were not particularly accurate: Eli, Bradshaw, Dilfer, McNair, Plunkett, McNabb

Point: You don't have to be the most accurate of QB's to play in super bowls.