Jerry: Garrett is safe

[Sydla]

But that wasn’t really my point. Did you guys really expect a Super Bowl appearance from this team going in? If you did, you were unreasonable to start with. If you didn’t, there’s no reason to be so upset right now. It was a good year for a good team. Why is that difficult to accept?

What I expected is that by Year 8, our head coach would have had us in a SB (not even a win) at this point.

History shows that the vast majority of SB winning coaches have coached in at least one SB by Year 8. Only Landry and Kubiak buck that trend.

So yeah, I don't think it's a bizarre expectation that our head coach should have at least gotten us to one SB in 8 years.

The question we should now ask you is does Garrett ever had to make a SB or will you always consider him a great coach?

 

[Miller]

I’m all for objecting Jerry’s ways. What exactly do you suggest doing besides bellyaching on a fan forum?

I'm a fan on a fan forum....why do you insist on trying to belittle other opinions about Jerry despite agreeing with them? It's a strange way to go about things....kind of like my wife answering questions with questions. At least that is how it comes out.

If there was a real answer the stadium would be half full but that won't happen.

 

[Diehardblues]

You’re talking 1993 then?

Yeah, I think this team is close. In fact, if we’d made that 4th and 1 I think there’s a decent chance we tie that game and maybe pull out a game we would have had to have stolen. Because the Rams have a better team than we do. So do the Saints, probably. But it’s pretty close.

Right.

Who’s to say if we could have extended the game and won it in OT? Like you said we would have stolen it.

But I’d like to see the arguments that this was Final 4 team in 2018. I Certainly don’t see it. Yea, for one Thursday nite we were but not for the duration of the season. Elite 8 to me is a pretty good achievement for this team I thought. Especially considering a 3-5 start.

 

[Sydla]

Id like to see him go but JG may not have what it takes to get us to the SB and as bad as we think Jerry is as GM, its odd we are in the top 5-6 teams in regular season wins the last 10years, we arent losers, we arent mediocre as a lot of you CLAIM, you cant be Mediocre and win 3-5 divisions be in the playoff's now 2 of the last 3 years and win playoff game and have shot at winning the last one..its odd fans look at 20 yrs, 10yrs but fail to see that on whole the Team and organizational moves since 2016 have put us in the upward not downward postion.. this is what Jerry sees and hes not wrong.

what hes not seeing is no matter what sometimes you need to make change that can get you to the next level regardless of being in good positions, see Marty Schotenheimer got canned after a 14-2 season and one and done and the owner said we need more playoff wins, they let him go..so in this example Jerry needs to let JG walk BUT flip side,

didnt work did it? they trade Brees, take Rivers keep changing coaches some Gms and have they got further then they were with Marty? are they? Did making change soften in NYG help them of late, how many coaches are they on now since letting go of Tom Coughlin?

Well for starters, I am not sure where you are going with the Coughlin example. Coughlin was a two time SB winning coach, who also was successful in Jax and in college. So letting him go, given his track record of success, was a risk. Garrett doesn't even being to sniff the resume of Coughlin, so firing him carries way less risk because he's done zero to date. So I am not sure this parallel you are trying to make, even begins to make sense.

As for the Chargers letting Schottenheimer go............ the year after they fired him, they were in the AFC Champ game. So in one sense, yes, they actually did improve after firing a highly successful coach (at least for that season, Turner kind of fizzled out after that).

And yes, you can be "mediocre" when you win a few divisions but spit the bit in the playoffs. We are lumped in with a bunch of other teams that win a couple of division crowns here or there, get bounced from the playoffs and slink off into the sunset. That's mediocre. It's not bad like the teams who don't make the playoffs but it's not good like the teams that win divisions, then make real noise in the playoffs. We are right in the middle, the teams that spit out a few good seasons here or there but are largely non-factors in the postseason.

 

[Idgit]

What I expected is that by Year 8, our head coach would have had us in a SB (not even a win) at this point.

History shows that the vast majority of SB winning coaches have coached in at least one SB by Year 8. Only Landry and Kubiak buck that trend.

So yeah, I don't think it's a bizarre expectation that our head coach should have at least gotten us to one SB in 8 years.

The question we should now ask you is does Garrett ever had to make a SB or will you always consider him a great coach?

“At least one Super Bowl.” Yeah. That’s exactly what the real issue is.

I don’t think Garrett is a great coach, as I’ve said many times. I think he’s a good coach who’s great at working with Jerry, and I think you can win a Super Bowl with that. You can’t, however, win a Super Bowl without a great team. Which is why we ought to be focusing on acquiring enough talent instead of blaming coaching for teams that are close but fall short.

To answer your question though: I think there are great coaches who haven’t won Superbowls, yes. There are other significant factors beyond coaching that go into team success. Some of them are really important. And in the NFL, as we know, most teams have a really quick hook.

This is all stuff I’ve said before though.

 

[BatteryPowered]

Jerry needs to first honestly answer the question "Is winning another Super Bowl important to you and a primary goal?"

If the answer is no...then keep The Clapper and tell the fans to deal with it. If the answer is yes...then he needs to tell everyone what, in his opinion, The Clapper has done to make him believe he can lead an team to a Super Bowl win.

Personally, I don't think winning another Super Bowl is that important to Jerry any longer. He fills his monument for every game, he has his gold jacket, the franchise continues to be the most valuable franchise on the planet and he is printing money. He is content with that. Maybe when he is gone winning a Super Bowl will be important to Stephen.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm a fan on a fan forum....why do you insist on trying to belittle other opinions about Jerry despite agreeing with them? It's a strange way to go about things....kind of like my wife answering questions with questions. At least that is how it comes out.

If there was a real answer the stadium would be half full but that won't happen.

I’m playing devils advocate. I’ve been a leading critic of Jerry’s ways for years but it seems silly to expect him to change.

He tried winning championships with a HC who recieved all the credit but he didn’t like it. It is what it is.

 

[Sydla]

“At least one Super Bowl.” Yeah. That’s exactly what the real issue is.

I don’t think Garrett is a great coach, as I’ve said many times. I think he’s a good coach who’s great at working with Jerry, and I think you can win a Super Bowl with that. You can’t, however, win a Super Bowl without a great team. Which is why we ought to be focusing on acquiring enough talent instead of blaming coaching. For teams that are close but fall short.

To answer your question though: I think there are great coaches who haven’t won Superbowls, yes. There are other significant factors beyond coaching that go into team success. Some of them are really important. And in the NFL, as we know, most teams have a really quick hook.

This is all stuff I’ve said before though.

It is precisely the issue.

We are continuing to employ a coach who has not shown once in 8 years, he can lead a team to something we haven't seen since the 90s. He's gone as far in the playoffs as Wade Phillips.

So yeah, the fact we keep hitting a ceiling that isn't even a conference title game appearance is precisely the issue.

The problem we have here is that in order for Jason to win a SB, he's going to need a loaded team. How likely is it that we can build a team that is loaded enough for him to win, to overcome whatever deficiencies he has when you factor in things like injuries often hit, teams are often limited by the cap, etc.

SB winning coaches often overcome odds or are able to mask flaws on teams. They win SBs based on their coaches being able to use their strengths to overcome their weaknesses.

But here you are arguing Garrett basically needs a ton of talent and if we give him that, then sure, he might win it. Basically, let's give Garrett an all-pro team and he can win. Of course ignoring the fact that it's unlikely in this day and age of the NFL that you can build a team as stacked as one needs to be for this staff to win.

 

[Diehardblues]

Jerry needs to first honestly answer the question "Is winning another Super Bowl important to you and a primary goal?"

If the answer is no...then keep The Clapper and tell the fans to deal with it. If the answer is yes...then he needs to tell everyone what, in his opinion, The Clapper has done to make him believe he can lead an team to a Super Bowl win.

Personally, I don't think winning another Super Bowl is that important to Jerry any longer. He fills his monument for every game, he has his gold jacket, the franchise continues to be the most valuable franchise on the planet and he is printing money. He is content with that. Maybe when he is gone winning a Super Bowl will be important to Stephen.

Jerry would never admit that. He wants to win more than anyone, but only his way.

And he’s going to continue promoting his product and passion to win.

It’s up to us if we support it or not.

 

[khiladi]

So for Jerry, two weeks ago, Linehan wouldn’t have offers lined up for him?

 

[atlantacowboy]

You still don’t get it or don’t want to get it.

The Cowboys are an Iconic label that had a history of winning championships. That’s not necessarily who we are. That’s what you indentify them to be.

That is who we were and aspire to be again. What we are right now is anyone's guess. Jerry can't live forever. This too shall pass.

 

[Miller]

I’m playing devils advocate. I’ve been a leading critic of Jerry’s ways for years but it seems silly to expect him to change.

He tried winning championships with a HC who recieved all the credit but he didn’t like it. It is what it is.

I get that! And agree completely. I've said all along his main drive isn't winning it is winning it his way to say "told you so." But it still doesn't sit well with me. I think that is where JG drives people nuts...decent enough not to suck completely and lose his job but not good enough to win it all. But an answer....unless it hits a pocketbook, which it never will...then we wait/

 

[cowboy_ron]

If there’s any question about Jason Garrett’s future with Cowboys, Jerry Jones ended that, while speaking on 105.3 The Fan on Tuesday. “If Jason Garrett was on the market two weeks ago, he would’ve had five offers for head coach," Jones said. "I know that. And so you’ve got to look at what your alternative is.”

......cool story Jerry, now, back to reality.

 

[Alexander]

He's had too much time.

I don't care if we had Bill Belichick himself. If you have not done anything in the post season for over a decade then you have got to go.

But you do not care about results Jerry Jones. That is the problem.

Nuh uh. He wants to win like really really bad.

 

[khiladi]

Jerry is that egotistical and delusional that if Bellichek’s contract ended today and he said the only way he is going to coach is for the Cowboys, Jerry would say he wouldn’t want to lose out on the future success of Jason Garrett if we let him go.

 

[Cowfan75]

I wish we could go back to 3-5 and keep losing. I have always wanted to win in the face of keeping our terrible coaches, but now....I just can't take it. I can't take wasting more careers and talent just to keep a checker-playing puppet on the sidelines while other teams move on and evolve. Jerry doesn't care about winning, but he cares about viewership and money. Until we tank a season, we will be sitting here, at best, PRAYING that we can at least just get rid of the worst OC in the NFL, and even that might not happen.

 

[Cowfan75]

Jerry is that egotistical and delusional that if Bellichek’s contract ended today and he said the only way he is going to coach is for the Cowboys, Jerry would say he wouldn’t want to lose out on the future success of Jason Garrett if we let him go.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind this is correct, although Jerry knows Garrett isn't a fraction of Bellicheck. Winning is the 4th or 5th most important thing to Jerry when it comes to football.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I'm no psychiatrist, but if Jerry truly beleives that Garret was in line for 5 head coaching offers, that might be a sign of cognitive hallucination and cause for an evaluation...........or he's lying through his teeth as usual.

 

[birdwells1]

What was the name of the poster who's no longer here, he had an astronomical amount of post and thought that Garrett was the next Landry. He ended up leaving here and going to another website with all the people that thought like him. I wonder what he thinks of Garrett now.

 

[bark]

I mean we all knew Jason was coming back once the season was turned around right?
Not sure about the 5 offer situation but we also know Jerry and hyperbole are like best buds.
The craziest statement here is blaming our poor play on the wrong cleats.
Felt like the Rams could have had their way with us wearing flip flops