Dak will not win a championship in today's NFL

[Big_D]

I don't doubt this for a second.

 

[Yobwocs]

15 yards or less is a testimony to Mahomes greatness.

As far as Dak, you’ll find plenty of tape of Dak not throwing to guys open by NFL standards.

It’s embarrassing that your trying to equate the Chiefs with Smith and Mahomes.

For the last time, I'm not equating them. I'm sorry if I don't share your love affair for Mahomes or the Chiefs. He's a top 7 QB, but the Chiefs would be 12-4 this year with Smith as QB too, because they're....better this year. But it's still the same Chiefs.... beat up the non-playoff teams, and go 3-3 against the playoff teams. I'm rooting for the Patriots, and because I think they're the better team.

 

[khiladi]

For the last time, I'm not equating them. I'm sorry if I don't share your love affair for Mahomes or the Chiefs. He's a top 7 QB, but the Chiefs would be 12-4 with Smith as QB too, because they're better this year. I'm rooting for the Patriots, and because I think they're the better team.

No, Chiefs were 10-6 with the same roster with Alex Smith and went on a stretch of 1-6 with him.

Of course your trying to minimize Mahomes because of your love affair with Dak. Mahomes surpassed Alex Smith’s production in his best year, including with Hunt the whole year which Mahomes didn’t have, in half a season. Mahomed threw for 50 TDS and did it against top flight defenses who he picked apart.

Just stop..

 

[PelvusBrestley]

I agree, it freaking kills me and I curse him up and down but then he finds a way to make up for it.

One HUGE thing Ive noticed which is quite coachable is a majority of his misses are preceded by bad footwork. Hes much more accurate when his footwork is right.

But don't you think it should have improved in 3 years? Heck 5 if you consider College. You can google his scouting report, it's all in there. Granted, he hasn't had the best coaching staff (as far as we can tell). But none of us are in that room or on the practice field. I think we all speculate on what Kellen Moore is and isn't. We don't know that Garrett isn't coaching him as well. So I will give that to him, we really have no idea on who is and isn't helping him. But I will say this: Brady has coaches, he goes to camps, there is nothing stopping Dak from getting help on his own. He had all offseason to improve his footwork.

 

[CWR]

But don't you think it should have improved in 3 years? Heck 5 if you consider College. You can google his scouting report, it's all in there. Granted, he hasn't had the best coaching staff (as far as we can tell). But none of us are in that room or on the practice field. I think we all speculate on what Kellen Moore is and isn't. We don't know that Garrett isn't coaching him as well. So I will give that to him, we really have no idea on who is and isn't helping him. But I will say this: Brady has coaches, he goes to camps, there is nothing stopping Dak from getting help on his own. He had all offseason to improve his footwork.

I tried to point out that he did make progress this year. His rookie season the narrative on Dak was he can produce only with stellar protection and a run game. I saw a few games this year where he had neither and he ended up having good games anyways. I dont think he was capable of overcoming that last year.

I do think his footwork needs to get better quickly. It amazes me he hasnt made strides there, but then I have to wonder about his qb coach. I also dont think hes used to his strengths, which I blame on his offensive coordinator.

We saw very tangible results when he got Cooper and as the TEs progressed this year. It is my hope/belief we will see more results with a new qb coach/offensive coordinator as well.

If it was my choice Id let him play out his rookie contract and then make a decision on paying him. I think ultimately he will be worth the money but Id like to see more first.

I agree he needs to work his tail off during the offseason and get as much help as possible.

 

[ShortRound]

Get rid of these loser coaches and see how Dak plays. I’m surprised we made it this far. Bunch of retreads....

 

[gjkoeppen]

You're like a broken record with this. When a defense is having success stacking the box against your running back how do you stop it? There isn't a running back in this league who can consistently run the ball against a defense who is only playing the run.

Zeke isn't getting a pass, most of us are just smart enough to realize why he didn't get over 47 yards.

Ya you're right about those smart enough to realize why the Elliott only had 47 yard rushing but unfortunately for you it wasn't Prescott or 9 in the box like others have claimed the rams were in on most plays which NO TEAM does or ever would do. This patch work line that is nowhere close to the line of 2016 did a poor job against one of the best defensive front 4 in the league and the LB's filled the holes like they're supposed to, but those weren't even the main reason the Cowboys lost. The main reason the Cowboys lost was the 273 rushing yards their defense gave up, the ZERO 3 and out their defense had, forcing just a single punt and except for the very last rams possession allowing the rams to cross midfield on every other possession. Anyone that's not smart enough realized that the defense that played so well for the previous 8 weeks played so poorly and was the overwhelming reason for the loss.
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[gjkoeppen]

QB is the absolute most important position on the field. I would place Dak middle of the pack. Unless Dak becomes a top 6 passing QB the chances are very slim the team wins a SB.

I guess when Dilfer was the 21st ranked QB but the ravens had the #1 defense and won the Super Bowl, that doesn't count. Your statement is just when people say unless a team has the best record and home field through out they have little chance of winning the Super Bowl even though there have been wildcard teams that have. Why Prescott has to be top 6 passing when the Cowboys are a primary run team is baffling.
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[triplets_93]

I guess when Dilfer was the 21st ranked QB but the ravens had the #1 defense and won the Super Bowl, that doesn't count. Your statement is just when people say unless a team has the best record and home field through out they have little chance of winning the Super Bowl even though there have been wildcard teams that have. Why Prescott has to be top 6 passing when the Cowboys are a primary run team is baffling.
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I'm bored with a primarily running team.

Bring back a primarily passing team. That's the Future for teams that have vision.

 

[gjkoeppen]

If it was my choice Id let him play out his rookie contract and then make a decision on paying him. I think ultimately he will be worth the money but Id like to see more first.

I agree he needs to work his tail off during the offseason and get as much help as possible.

So then they wait until after next season to resign Prescott, but there are still going to be the Prescott haters who will scream at the top of their lungs to not resign Prescott. Now lets say that in that Prescott haters world that Jerry actually listens to the Prescott haters here (that would only happen in the minds of the Prescott haters) and dosn't resign Prescott. Then what? I'm apposed to drafting another QB this year even if the Cowboys had a 1st round pick so that leaves drafting one in the 2020 draft and then going again with a rookie QB. Now that's bad in and of itself, but the list is almost never ending of QB's that were drafted anywhere from 1st through 32nd of the first round that had turned out to be busts. Just because a QB was really good in college is absolutely no guarantee he will be really good or even just average in the NFL as that list bears out. So the choices are to extend Prescott now who was the NFL offensive rookie of the year and who has shown some progression or gamble and draft a QB in 2020 and hope he doesn't turn out to be another bust.
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[gjkoeppen]

I'm bored with a primarily running team.

Bring back a primarily passing team. That's the Future for teams that have vision.

Fortunately for the Cowboys they really don't care if you're bored. They will continue to rely on the 2 out 3 year league leading rusher as their primary option. It's obvious that you haven't picked up that trends run in cycles. At one time 95% of the teams ran a 4-3 defense and then came the trend and 1/2 of the teams switched to 3-4 and then the cycle changed and teams started to switch back to 4-3 defenses. Trends run in cycles but one thing that hasn't changed is there has always been teams that have really good RB's rely on the running a game to base their offense on.
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[SoupcanSam]

For the last time, I'm not equating them. I'm sorry if I don't share your love affair for Mahomes or the Chiefs. He's a top 7 QB, but the Chiefs would be 12-4 this year with Smith as QB too, because they're....better this year. But it's still the same Chiefs.... beat up the non-playoff teams, and go 3-3 against the playoff teams. I'm rooting for the Patriots, and because I think they're the better team.

The cheifs would have had a lesser record with Smith. Smith didnt have the arm nor was he as athletic and talented as mahomes.

I mean Reid is a good coach and all but mahomes is a QB I can honestly say made that team. Smith was ok but benefited from reids coaching.

Seriously if mahomes was on the cowboys they would be contenders every year. With Smith the cowboys would barely crack 500, and that's only because he is a worse game manager than Dak.

With dak we may sniffle around 500 but we end up going anywhere fast.

Smith game managed that team. Mahomes broke that team wide open.

So no, Smith would not have had the same record.

 

[Yobwocs]

With dak we may sniffle around 500 but we end up going anywhere fast.

So no, Smith would not have had the same record.

In 2016, Chiefs went 12-4, the same record they have this year with Mahomes. Who was QB of that 12-4 team in 2016 again? ALEX SMITH.

So facts already prove your idiot trolling false.

Fact is, no matter how you try to make Mahomes look like some golden age Montana, like anyone..,... he needs his whole team to be good. Chiefs are a great team, they have been recently. They have a good offensive line, excellent weapons all around, dual threat running backs that can play receivers just as well, a West Coast tight end, lead the league in sacks, star studded front 7, and their secondary is actually not that bad. People just throw on them a lot, and they lack a Richard to help out.

We have never once been .500 with Dak. We were riding high in 2016. We sniffed .500 a couple of times in 2017 and 2018, but Dak played better at the end of both years and eventually pulled us out of .500

Just. stop. now. Unless you're intentionally trolling.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

 

[DFWJC]

No bad!

That guy did bias his TD stats vs ints only though.
Have to include fumbles if you include rushing TDs...otherwise its dishonest.
Either way, I feel certain Dak is the QB going forward

 

[PelvusBrestley]

Last 15 games? These stats get dumber and dumber. Why leave out the first three?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Last 15 games? These stats get dumber and dumber. Why leave out the first three?

Showing progression, and likely due to attempts. In the first three games Dak only averaged 29 attempts.
In the other 15 games he averaged 34 attempts.

So showing bulk stats while including an uncharacteristically low amount of attempts in the first three games would have been "dumber"

 

[PelvusBrestley]

Showing progression, and likely due to attempts. In the first three games Dak only averaged 29 attempts.
In the other 15 games he averaged 34 attempts.

So showing bulk stats while including an uncharacteristically low amount of attempts in the first three games would have been "dumber"

What do attempts have to do with the stat that was posted? The stat is yardage, TD and INT.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

What do attempts have to do with the stat that was posted? The stat is yardage, TD and INT.

....yes and how do you accumulate yardage, TDs, and INTs Pelvus?

 

[CWR]

So then they wait until after next season to resign Prescott, but there are still going to be the Prescott haters who will scream at the top of their lungs to not resign Prescott. Now lets say that in that Prescott haters world that Jerry actually listens to the Prescott haters here (that would only happen in the minds of the Prescott haters) and dosn't resign Prescott. Then what? I'm apposed to drafting another QB this year even if the Cowboys had a 1st round pick so that leaves drafting one in the 2020 draft and then going again with a rookie QB. Now that's bad in and of itself, but the list is almost never ending of QB's that were drafted anywhere from 1st through 32nd of the first round that had turned out to be busts. Just because a QB was really good in college is absolutely no guarantee he will be really good or even just average in the NFL as that list bears out. So the choices are to extend Prescott now who was the NFL offensive rookie of the year and who has shown some progression or gamble and draft a QB in 2020 and hope he doesn't turn out to be another bust.
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Call me crazy but I think he will continue to improve and turn in a good season next year. Most of his critics will begin to fade back further and we will pay him what hes worth. However, in the event it becomes clear he is limiting the offense and isnt worth the investment we can part ways or pay him an appropriate contract as a bridge qb.

If we sign him this offseason I won't be upset though. You probably save money by doing so, but you also gamble a bit. I do think his second half this season he began to turn the corner. The question is how much will he command if we pay him this year as opposed to next year?