MMQB giving props to a Moore hiring

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lol what organization thinks Moore is great enough to be an offensive coordinator and how were they able to assess that with only 1 year of experience? This is NOT the year you get a guy who needs training on the job because we have a lot of big contracts coming up soon. We need to see what this team can do before we start handing out the checks. Moore can stick around as an OC assistant and in a few years, maybe give him consideration, but to put him on the Garrett fast track plan is utterly ridiculous.
The only thing I can think of is he's got the water boy coach klein playbook in his back pocket chock full of amazing plays that have everyone salivating at the chance to unveil this bronco buster offense on the rest of the league.

If it's all true, I will play along. But week one rolls around and the offense leaves a Cleveland steamer on the 50 yard line, heads better roll.
 

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If Moore gets the job, it's probably because he offered to clean Jerry's glasses. He's not qualified. I know because Prescott hasn't improved in certain areas.

I believe what Aikman said is true. You either have it or you don't. You can't be taught.
Spot on. Didn't see the QB improve enough to cred Moore. Who knows if Moore had anything to do with Dak's improvements or the same faults we saw last year the this. They say Dak likes Moore but Dak publicly likes everyone. Dak is going to like and do what the FO tells him since he's up for a nice contract and I would probably do the same. Meanwhile JJ would prefer to hire from within so he can control any rogue personnel that may take away his limelight.
 

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Let's give Moore a chance, he might be a more dynamic play caller than Linehan. Besides, if Dallas fails next year that means bye bye Garret and I've been wanting his *** out since before Wade Phillips was canned.
But Garrett's probably calling the plays.
 

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David Moore just had a great segment on the Ticket saying exactly what many of us have thought:

- Linehan was working totally within the parameters Garrett set up
- the "caveman" offense is Garrett -- Linehan had some of the top passing offenses in the league at Detroit
- the idea of bringing in a Kingsbury type with a different system is not going to happen with Garrett here
- about the most you can hope for is a Moore adding some wrinkles to the system here, but not much will change overall
- this team is averse to bringing in "outsiders" with new and different ideas on offense
- Garrett has had 18 assistant coaches since he got here and none have gone on to a promotion in the NFL.

Does anyone see a pattern here?
 

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David Moore just had a great segment on the Ticket saying exactly what many of us have thought:

- Linehan was working totally within the parameters Garrett set up
- the "caveman" offense is Garrett -- Linehan had some of the top passing offenses in the league at Detroit
- the idea of bringing in a Kingsbury type with a different system is not going to happen with Garrett here
- about the most you can hope for is a Moore adding some wrinkles to the system here, but not much will change overall
- this team is averse to bringing in "outsiders" with new and different ideas on offense
- Garrett has had 18 assistant coaches since he got here and none have gone on to a promotion in the NFL.

Does anyone see a pattern here?
yes, wash rinse repeat. Its a set pattern that JERRY himself is insistent on.. JG is only doing what hes told. YES MAN GALORE.
 

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David Moore just had a great segment on the Ticket saying exactly what many of us have thought:

- Linehan was working totally within the parameters Garrett set up
- the "caveman" offense is Garrett -- Linehan had some of the top passing offenses in the league at Detroit
- the idea of bringing in a Kingsbury type with a different system is not going to happen with Garrett here
- about the most you can hope for is a Moore adding some wrinkles to the system here, but not much will change overall
- this team is averse to bringing in "outsiders" with new and different ideas on offense
- Garrett has had 18 assistant coaches since he got here and none have gone on to a promotion in the NFL.

Does anyone see a pattern here?

David Moore is not my idea of the paramount voice of all Cowboys insider knowledge. And I don't say that having anything against the guy. But there aren't any of those. Beat writers have opinions like all the rest of us do.

I just think there's a natural hyper-criticism that goes on, and everyone wants to prop themselves up as smarter than the people running things. You see that with every team, and you especially see that with the most popular team.

The team is "averse to bringing in outsiders".... well, for the offense you've chosen to run, I'm not sure what else you wanted them to do. Linehan and Garrett have been joined at the hip for a few years now, and it's not like you want an OC and the HC to be constantly butting heads, now do you. But to the contrary, there have been new coaches, just not in the OC role specifically. Or does a new O-line coach not count, which btw, how did that work out, having those "new ideas".. so well, that you fired the guy, and saw improvement with someone from within.

Stupid stuff, really, when you subject that comment to any degree of critical thought.
 

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It's just a brief clip, and I'm not one of those cheering for the idea or for that matter writing it off... but Belt posted this earlier...



... have to like what you hear and see there, right?
 

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It’s not even that. And it’s not his lack of coaching experience—which is a perfectly reasonable criticism. It’s that people made up their minds he’d be a terrible QB coach when he was selected because they hated him as a player and because he was a Linehan guy. They don’t want to admit being wrong if he gets a huge promotion after his first season, and they aren’t willing to set aside their original irrational bias.

No question this is true for some fans/members.......
 

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David Moore is not my idea of the paramount voice of all Cowboys insider knowledge. And I don't say that having anything against the guy. But there aren't any of those. Beat writers have opinions like all the rest of us do.

I just think there's a natural hyper-criticism that goes on, and everyone wants to prop themselves up as smarter than the people running things. You see that with every team, and you especially see that with the most popular team.

The team is "averse to bringing in outsiders".... well, for the offense you've chosen to run, I'm not sure what else you wanted them to do. Linehan and Garrett have been joined at the hip for a few years now, and it's not like you want an OC and the HC to be constantly butting heads, now do you. But to the contrary, there have been new coaches, just not in the OC role specifically. Or does a new O-line coach not count, which btw, how did that work out, having those "new ideas".. so well, that you fired the guy, and saw improvement with someone from within.

Stupid stuff, really, when you subject that comment to any degree of critical thought.
So you think it's a positive thing that Garrett doesn't want and won't accept any truly innovative outside thinkers. You think the current offense is just fine and doesn't need anything added.

Noted.
 

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It’s not even that. And it’s not his lack of coaching experience—which is a perfectly reasonable criticism. It’s that people made up their minds he’d be a terrible QB coach when he was selected because they hated him as a player and because he was a Linehan guy. They don’t want to admit being wrong if he gets a huge promotion after his first season, and they aren’t willing to set aside their original irrational bias.

This is why Judges tell jurors not to talk to each other in jury trials until they begin deliberation. Its human nature for a lot of people to form an early opinion and dig into it if challenged, even as the facts shift against that opinion.
 

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Moore is a Linehan guy. Linehan wanted to start Moore in 2015, but Jason wanted to go out and get Matt Cassell. Linehan clearly wanted Moore to run the practice offense primarily to keep guys familiar with the offense. The TE coach is also another Linehan guy and Sanjay Lal was apparently brought in by Linehan, to replaced Dooley. So two Linehan guys are supposedly the names being propped up as our next OC.

So if this is the case, they aren’t really changing the offense and Linehan was a scapegoat or Garrett is going to call the plays again.

This organization is dysfunctional as anything.
 

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So you think it's a positive thing that Garrett doesn't want and won't accept any truly innovative outside thinkers. You think the current offense is just fine and doesn't need anything added.

Noted.

To be clear....

I think the phrase "truly innovative" is about as subjective as it comes.

I do think you want to be constantly trying to build onto your offense some different ways to succeed, and it doesn't take an "outsider" to do that. (In fact, outsiders can have philosophies that can work in other places, and/but don't work in this place... see Alexander, Paul.)

I think you make your choice when you choose your head coach.

I think your head coach, then, has a strong opinion of what he thinks works best... and he's obliged to implement his framework/philosophy... if he's not doing what he thinks is best, what the hell is he doing, and why is he your coach, after all?

I think the current offense is adequate, yes. Matter of fact, I really do think that. We've seen this offense excel before. It didn't excel this year nor last year by most accounts because the o-line was facing serious deficits compared to 2016.

I think we beat the Rams if the defense gives our offense just a couple or three punts more than the one they gave our offense.

But. Having said that.

I think there's virtue in trying to see if we can do better. If that means Linehan exiting, just make sure that you really are improving, and not just reacting to the fact that the four finalists are known more for their offenses than for their defenses.

Does that suit you? Any of that that we can agree on?
 

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I’d guess Linehan is gone more because he wasn’t liked by offensive players and because of whatever the hangover effect was with whatever went down last year that we never got the story on was.

As for Moore, I have trouble taking it seriously, but it suggests he’s either a whiz kid, or Jerry’s putting it on Jason to earn his next extension and not signing a prominent outside guy to a contract under a possible lame duck HC. I think it’s the latter. Jerry likes having his coaches leveraged when he can do it.

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Here's my issue with this statement by Breer. It doesn't make a ton of sense.

I get continuity................... when you are talking about a situation where you have something performing well and want to continue that in the future. In other words, if we had a consistent high performing offense and the OC just decided to retire or take a HC job. Continuity, in that situation, has value.

But that's not the situation here. The offense was mediocre for much of the year. Very inconsistent from game to game. After the season, you decided to part ways with your OC because what you have on offense just isn't good enough. Why in the world is "continuity" a positive here? The reason you fired the OC was because you wanted change.
I get what you're saying, here, Syd but I think you're (possibly) misconstruing the TYPE of continuity that they are trying to achieve. Let me explain what I THINK the difference may be.

When you say continuity you are equating that with continuity in scheme or philosophy (correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I interpreted your post).

I think the continuity that the Cowboys are trying to achieve (right or wrong) is in the staff itself. The theory, itself, may sound asinine but no one really knows what is going to happen with this staff going forward. Garrett was a lock for an extension just a short 8 or 9 days ago. That hasn't happened (yet). Jones may have come down from the high of the Seattle win and taken a step back to re-evaluate where this team is, where Garrett is, where we may be going forward. To bring in someone new for a (possible) one year trial only to blow the whole thing up 365 days from now may loom large in the decision (again, whether that's right or wrong is another discussion).

As to Moore, I have no idea what offensive concepts he would bring to the table and neither does anyone else on this board. One thing I'm pretty certain of is that it won't be the same type of game plan that Scott Linehan called around here. If it was, then canning SL would have been an exercise in futility. My theory is that the rumor of Moore being more involved in the Giants game plan actually opened the eyes of some on staff and in the front office that this kid might be even better than we actually originally thought. There's no doubt that the offense looked "different".

I don't know how true the story is but, I've heard (more than once) that as a high school student that Moore would scour ebay for pro football play books and study them religiously. That's a true student of the game. He also ran one of the most successful (and tough to decipher, defensively) college offenses in NCAA history. Even knowing that I'm not going to claim that I know Moore would be successful. My clairvoyance regarding that matter is going to be on par with everybody else' who doesn't truly know the kid......with 20/20 hindsight.

Honestly, I think the biggest knock on the kid (at least from this fan base) is the fact that he currently IS on the staff. I think a lot of people are projecting a foregone bias against him for any number of reasons (they hate Dak and he was the QB coach or they hate Linehan and Moore was Scott's "boy", etc.). In all fairness, that's just not really...well...fair. People around here (and the entire league for that matter) are looking for the next Sean McVay. Let's go back to when McVay was hired. NO ONE on this board (or hardly anywhere else, league-wide) were singing the praises of the Rams front office for hiring Sean McVay. NO ONE. How dynamic was Washington's offense with Sean on staff? Why were they not the offensive juggernaut that the Rams are? They couldn't even beat the Cowboys, right? Was he held back by a philosophy held by his head coach? It wasn't until he was given his own space that everyone around the league and their t.v. sets that people started to realize "this guy is pretty damned good".

Which brings us back to Moore. We don't know how good or bad this kid would be at OC. For anyone to claim you know is filling the entire atmosphere with un-needed bull****. I'm not advocating for Moore to be the OC (for the record). I'm also not going to be quick to pan the move, should it happen. The fact is, no one knows how well he'll do, what philosophies he'll instill in the offense, or whether he's in over his head until he gets the opportunity. From a logical standpoint, if this is indeed a prove it year for this entire staff, there may not be a better time to find out.

It's an interesting time for sure.
 

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The chatter with Kellen Moore around Boise, even during his playing days, is that he was always being groomed to be a coach. He had an amazing teacher in Chris Peterson. It was obvious he didn't have the body type to play in the NFL (which is too bad because he was a smart player with ice in his veins) so it was always presumed he would climb the coaching ladder......and, here we are. People balk because he isn't a flashy name
This. I’m willing to give him a chance, if you see potential in people and cultivate it that’s how you manufacture a winning organization. Kinda like how they saw potential in a kid named Romo. Give Moore a chance, he might surprise you.
 

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Honestly, I think the biggest knock on the kid (at least from this fan base) is the fact that he currently IS on the staff. I think a lot of people are projecting a foregone bias against him for any number of reasons (they hate Dak and he was the QB coach or they hate Linehan and Moore was Scott's "boy", etc.). In all fairness, that's just not really...well...fair. People around here (and the entire league for that matter) are looking for the next Sean McVay. Let's go back to when McVay was hired. NO ONE on this board (or hardly anywhere else, league-wide) were singing the praises of the Rams front office for hiring Sean McVay. NO ONE. How dynamic was Washington's offense with Sean on staff? Why were they not the offensive juggernaut that the Rams are? They couldn't even beat the Cowboys, right? Was he held back by a philosophy held by his head coach? It wasn't until he was given his own space that everyone around the league and their t.v. sets that people started to realize "this guy is pretty damned good".

This.

What's going on is similar to the MLB trend toward young General Managers. Theo Epstein was ridiculed when he was hired and now a ton of teams baseball teams have a GM under 40.

At the end of the day its not about a young guy versus an old guy, its about picking the right guy.
 

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lol what organization thinks Moore is great enough to be an offensive coordinator and how were they able to assess that with only 1 year of experience? This is NOT the year you get a guy who needs training on the job because we have a lot of big contracts coming up soon. We need to see what this team can do before we start handing out the checks. Moore can stick around as an OC assistant and in a few years, maybe give him consideration, but to put him on the Garrett fast track plan is utterly ridiculous.


I think what we will see happen is Moore assistant OC, and Garrett back to calling plays. Sort of what we saw with Richard/Marinelli.

One thing for sure, change up the scheme and don't be so predictable. We don't have to be Rams, but as you watch them play action certainly is in a high percentage of their plays even if its not really used.

They often fake to more than 1 player to get the D moving in a direction away from the intended area they want the play to go in.
 

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One thing for sure, change up the scheme and don't be so predictable. We don't have to be Rams, but as you watch them play action certainly is in a high percentage of their plays even if its not really used.

Exactly, the team will improve dramatically by the OL getting healthy. But even if you brought Linehan back, you would improve dramatically if you hooked an electric shock collar to Linehan that buzzed every time he called the same basic play for the third time in a row.
 
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