Sean McVay is what we wanted JG to be

[CATCH17]

So let see Payton with 2:00 in the game tied, already in fg range. Throws on 1st down, stops the clock is good game day coaching.

It was a bad decision. So what.. He's a great game day coach.

Heck.. Garrett beat him this year.

Payton is still better then Garrett and time has proven that.

 

[Dre11]

Sure. But he still did a very good coaching job. Your continually try to diminish that by seemingly arguing that he's just gotten lucky with a real

Was the talent a factor?

 

[DallasEast]

Sean McVay is what we wanted JG to be

Here we are after 9yrs.

Garrett's pre-head coaching resume

•Quarterbacks coach, Miami Dolphins (2005–2006)
•Offensive coordinator, Dallas Cowboys (2007)
•Assistant head coach & Offensive coordinator, Dallas Cowboys (2008–2010)

Sean McVay's pre-head coaching resume

•Assistant wide receivers coach, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2008)
•Quality control/wide receivers coach, Florida Tuskers (2009)
•Assistant tight ends coach, Washington Commanders (2010)
•Tight ends coach, Washington Commanders (2011–2013)
•Offensive coordinator, Washington Commanders (2014–2016)


Perhaps one front office hoped for successful results from their candidate with a poor coaching background while the other front office hoped for the same successful results from their candidate with a strong coaching background. Expectations. Expectations. Expectations.

 

[_sturt_]

They didn't have to, they ran the ball at will. If they had managed a stop or two, we might have actually seen the game plan McVay had put together.

... because we know damn well his game plan wasn't to run the ball exclusively and primarily with his backup RB.

I believe my remark was that the Rams couldn't have played much better on offense.

So I hope I'm reading that correctly that you're just reaffirming that particular point... because I don't see anything in there that disputes it.

 

[_sturt_]

That is the problem the offense isnt up to the task to win shootouts against teams over .500.

I agree, you certainly want to have an offense capable to do that, if needed.

Just like... you certainly want to have a defense capable to not ever even have a shoot out in the first place.

Those are the ideals.

I think, for every team, those are the ideals.

 

[Dre11]

Gruden won in Tampa, right behind Dungy, who stepped in and won in Indy. Dungy was having worse success in Tampa.

 

[CPanther95]

I believe my remark was that the Rams couldn't have played much better on offense.

So I hope I'm reading that correctly that you're just reaffirming that particular point... because I don't see anything in there that disputes it.

I agree they couldn't have controlled the game any more than they did with their offense. But they could have certainly racked up more points if the outcome was ever in doubt.

 

[Sydla]

Talent is always a factor. No untalented team has ever won a SB. No one has ever argued that you can win a SB without some quality talent.

But you guys have gone the opposite way, basically placing little to no value in coaching. That when Garrett fails to succeed in a season, well, the talent wasn't good enough. When other coaches blow past Garrett - McVay, Pederson for example - the excuse is well those guys were lucky they had loaded rosters.

It's a convenient excuse that allows one to continue to cover up Garrett's failings and shortcomings.......... just blame the talent here for his failures and lament all the talent other guys have when they prove to be better than Garrett.

 

[_sturt_]

So if people were being honest, the defense was going to give up 30 points at some point in the playoffs on the road, the offense cannot compensate.

I guess I'm just not honest then.

But in my corner, I have a lot of history of defenses that put the brakes on a lot of high flyer offenses. In fact, the mantra didn't just appear out of nowhere that defense wins championships.

 

[Dre11]

It was a bad decision. So what.. He's a great game day coach.

Heck.. Garrett beat him this year.

Payton is still better then Garrett and time has proven that.

Lol you're hypocritical , yet you crucify this coach, is he great coach, or do he have a great qb...lol

 

[_sturt_]

But they could have certainly racked up more points if the outcome was ever in doubt.

You've heard of circular logic, right?

So, if the outcome was in doubt, then by definition, our defense was shutting them down to some more typical degree.

So. No. By definition, if our defense was having more success, their offense wouldn't have been.

 

[Dre11]

Talent is always a factor. No untalented team has ever won a SB. No one has ever argued that you can win a SB without some quality talent.

But you guys have gone the opposite way, basically placing little to no value in coaching. That when Garrett fails to succeed in a season, well, the talent wasn't good enough. When other coaches blow past Garrett - McVay, Pederson for example - the excuse is well those guys were lucky they had loaded rosters.

It's a convenient excuse that allows one to continue to cover up Garrett's failings and shortcomings.......... just blame the talent here for his failures and lament all the talent other guys have when they prove to be better than Garrett.

Had McVay took over the Dolphins,Jets,Cardinals, you think he's where he is now?

 

[CATCH17]

Lol you're hypocritical , yet you crucify this coach, is he great coach, or do he have a great qb...lol

No. I understand football and can look at all of the things he's throwing at a defense and see how difficult it makes them to defend vs lining up like it's 1992 with no salary cap and thinking you can just impose yourself on every team to a championship.

Schemes are more important than ever.

Dallas is too talent dependent.

 

[CATCH17]

Had McVay took over the Dolphins,Jets,Cardinals, you think he's where he is now?

The Rams weren't viewed much differently then those teams when he took over.

 

[TheDude]

I agree, you certainly want to have an offense capable to do that, if needed.

Just like... you certainly want to have a defense capable to not ever even have a shoot out in the first place.

Those are the ideals.

I think, for every team, those are the ideals.

The defenses are hamstrung by the rules. Just look at some of the gregory penalties. Offenses are not inherently biased against in the rules. Talent and schee can carry the day

 

[Dre11]

No. I understand football and can look at all of the things he's throwing at a defense and see how difficult it makes them to defend vs lining up like it's 1992 with no salary cap and thinking you can just impose yourself on every team to a championship.

Schemes are more important than ever.

Dallas is too talent dependent.

Lol....what team isntbtalent dependent it's why the Rams went out and tried to bring in every top player, Philly went and brought in top players.

 

[Sydla]

Had McVay took over the Dolphins,Jets,Cardinals, you think he's where he is now?

None of those three would have made the playoffs, although I suspect they probably would have had better seasons than they actually did if McVay was coaching them.

What's your point here? I've already admitted that talent is still important and that's not all coaching that matters. But coaching is very, very important.

Would Jason Garrett have won a SB with Philly last year? Nope. Would he be in line to win a SB this year with the Rams? Yeah, no.

Frankly, if you flipped coaches two weeks ago, I think the Cowboys with McVay and the Rams staff would have beaten the Rams with Garrett and his staff.

 

[Dre11]

The Rams weren't viewed much differently then those teams when he took over.

You're crazy, they stock with top 1st rounders

 

[TheDude]

I guess I'm just not honest then.

But in my corner, I have a lot of history of defenses that put the brakes on a lot of high flyer offenses. In fact, the mantra didn't just appear out of nowhere that defense wins championships.

Just like the old adage that you need to run the ball and stop the run to win, but that has been pretty much been wholly debunked that you have to pass better and stop the pass better to win consistently. You cn point to the Rams game, but if the early pass to Gurley that LVE rushed Goff on and that the next drive where Cooks bobbled in the end zone was clean, all the stats change and they put up 38 points. As it stood, the Cowboys held had a shot to catch up late because Dak had a better passing game than Goff efficiency wise.

The game is tailored to score, defenses can be good and dominant, but you wont see the 2000 ravens having 3-4 games in a row of giving up 6pts or less. That is a complete anomaly

 

[Dre11]

None of those three would have made the playoffs, although I suspect they probably would have had better seasons than they actually did if McVay was coaching them.

What's your point here? I've already admitted that talent is still important and that's not all coaching that matters.

Would Jason Garrett have won a SB with Philly last year? Would he be in line to win a SB this year with the Rams?

Frankly, if you flipped coaches two weeks ago, I think the Cowboys with McVay would have beaten the Rams with Garrett.

I call bs,.