And we think our FO is stupid

[Northern_Cowboy]

Chucky is literally destroying the Raiders. At this rate, they won't have a team worth watching at their new hometown of Las Vegas in another 2-3 years. What a huge mistake it was hiring Jon Gruden.

Raiders basically traded Cooper and a 3rd and 5th for Brown and a 1st, money wouldn't have been that much different had they kept Cooper and just resigned him. I think the Raiders came out ahead. Brown is still at the top of his game, it is only a 3 year deal and now the Raiders can use most of those 1st round picks they have on defense. Those around here who are totally sold on Cooper should in my opinion take a wait and see attitude until after this season, he was up and down in Oakland and dissappeared alot. I don't question Cooper's talent i question his desire and motivation

 

[Bobhaze]

Yep, that's like being on a blind date with a real dog and looking around to find uglier persons to make you feel better.

And what's funny is how we celebrate it when they're not totally stupid. Some consider they're drafting demons but are they really?

To me, results are the final judge of everything a FO does. They should be judged on playoff wins not how much better they are compared to 2000, when they were giving up two #1s for Joey Galloway.

The results say the Cowboys FO has been below average the last two decades plus when it comes to success in the playoffs, which is supposed to be the bottom line of success. What depresses me is how satisfied our owner is with the way things have been. When you keep the same people in place without results to justify their employment, you’re credibility has to be questioned- not certified.

 

[GenoT]

Grudens fate will be determined in how he uses 4 of the first 34 picks in draft.

He’s looking more like Jimmy in the early 90’s than Jerry in early 2000’s to me. We’ll see..

Definitely a “we’ll see” situation.

However, when you’ve got a 10yr, $100mil-guaranteed coaching contract — plus a likely multi-million$ return-to-the-booth commentator job, if ever needed — no matter what happens, you’re gambling with nothing but house-money.

 

[cowboyec]

'Merica's Team>raiders.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I think the difference between what it will cost by waiting until after this season is a small price to pay to wait and be more certain that this is the best way to go.

The other part of this is what they put around him because he is not Tier 1 and will not likely be and getting back into cap trouble is a simple as a couple of bad decisions. Prescott, Elliott, Cooper, Lawrence, B Jones and J Smith are all going to want to get paid. This team had to let the best player on the team go to DEN because of some poor decisions on other players, they can get right back there very easily.

14% of the cap on this player at this time is a high risk move and one that not need be made at this time.

The smaller cap hits making it less than 14% for all seasons cant be understated.
Let's use a $100M deal as the example(it'll be more). With signing him the year early assuming a 4 year extension. His average cap hits would be $20M if signed early compared to $25M if not. It's a huge deal.

No matter who we have behind center they will need pieces around them.

 

[BAT]

This does not make our FO any less stupid.

 

[Jake]

Now you do remember that when Jerry first purchased this franchise that his biggest mentor was Al Davis.
Jerry sought out Al Davis, to be that mentor.
May the man R I P.

Jerry's following the model to a T.

GM until death, still thinking you can build a champion as your 80th birthday appears on the horizon, validating it with 3 dusty SB trophies.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Am I the only one who likes this deal for the Raiders? Brown essentially got the same $18 milion per year figure that Beckham got last year, so the salary increase he wanted as "the highest paid receiver in football" ended up being minimal. And the Raiders gave up next to nothing in draft compensation. Yes, signing a 30 year old diva to play during a long term rebuild is a questionable move, but from a talent-to-cost perspective, I think Oakland killed it.

And this actually really helps Dallas too with our contract negotiations with Amari Cooper. The floor for his deal was set last offseason by Sammy Watkins and Brandin Cooks getting $16 million a year, but now we have Brown and Odell Beckham establishing "Da Highest Paid Receiver In Football" money at a ceiling of $18 milion. So this sets him into a pretty narrow band to negotiate salary wise. He and his agent are probably going to wait for TyFreak Hill to sign his new deal before talking with the Joneses, but as of now it looks like the WR market is staying flat rather than moving upwards, and that is a good thing for us.

 

[CouchCoach]

The smaller cap hits making it less than 14% for all seasons cant be understated.
Let's use a $100M deal as the example(it'll be more). With signing him the year early assuming a 4 year extension. His average cap hits would be $20M if signed early compared to $25M if not. It's a huge deal.

No matter who we have behind center they will need pieces around them.

That is fact or Brees and Rodgers would have more rings and Brady would have fewer. However, I still feel he's the type QB that is going to need more than the usual because of his inconsistencies. It would probably be a lot easier if I hadn't watched so many of his games at Miss St because, QCE, he has not changed, still misses the same throws he missed back then and my problem with that is that's all these guys do, pass the freaking football. There's no excuse for some of the poorly thrown balls and while he doesn't throw picks, he misses opportunities. And with this challenged offense, he needs to optimize every opportunity.

Two plays in that Rans game sum up his challenges. That poorly thrown sideline to Gallup who had a lotta turf in front of him and the pass behind Cooper on the cross when he had his man beat, he threw that one so poorly, that could have been a tip for a pick. Yes, it's two plays but those were QB 101 plays, he missed poorly on both.

 

[CouchCoach]

Am I the only one who likes this deal for the Raiders? Brown essentially got the same $18 milion per year figure that Beckham got last year, so the salary increase he wanted as "the highest paid receiver in football" ended up being minimal. And the Raiders gave up next to nothing in draft compensation. Yes, signing a 30 year old diva to play during a long term rebuild is a questionable move, but from a talent-to-cost perspective, I think Oakland killed it.

And this actually really helps Dallas too with our contract negotiations with Amari Cooper. The floor for his deal was set last offseason by Sammy Watkins and Brandin Cooks getting $16 million a year, but now we have Brown and Odell Beckham establishing "Da Highest Paid Receiver In Football" money at a ceiling of $18 milion. So this sets him into a pretty narrow band to negotiate salary wise. He and his agent are probably going to wait for TyFreak Hill to sign his new deal before talking with the Joneses, but as of now it looks like the WR market is staying flat rather than moving upwards, and that is a good thing for us.

I agree and many are making too much out of this and what were the Raiders going to get with the 3rd and 5th picks, together would they be as good as that one player?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

That is fact or Brees and Rodgers would have more rings and Brady would have fewer. However, I still feel he's the type QB that is going to need more than the usual because of his inconsistencies. It would probably be a lot easier if I hadn't watched so many of his games at Miss St because, QCE, he has not changed, still misses the same throws he missed back then and my problem with that is that's all these guys do, pass the freaking football. There's no excuse for some of the poorly thrown balls and while he doesn't throw picks, he misses opportunities. And with this challenged offense, he needs to optimize every opportunity.

Two plays in that Rans game sum up his challenges. That poorly thrown sideline to Gallup who had a lotta turf in front of him and the pass behind Cooper on the cross when he had his man beat, he threw that one so poorly, that could have been a tip for a pick. Yes, it's two plays but those were QB 101 plays, he missed poorly on both.

If you want to give him more help, then sign him early to save cap to spend the savings on the needed help.

If we're being honest there aren't that many QBs in the league that need less help around him than Dak. Dak's had very little around him for three years outside of the Oline in 2016, early 2016 Dez, half a season of Cooper, and Zeke with which RBs don't effect games almost at all and yet Dak continues to win at a crazy high rate. This with an inept OC for all three years who isnt even getting interviews for assistant positions.

 

[ESisback]

True justice? Bell destroys his ACL in preseason, gets cut, and goes bankrupt. He ends up in a studio apartment in East L.A., with Kanye West and Andy Dick as roommates, eating lots of Ramen and clipping coupons.

 

[CouchCoach]

If you want to give him more help, then sign him early to save cap to spend the savings on the needed help.

If we're being honest there aren't that many QBs in the league that need less help around him than Dak. Dak's had very little around him for three years outside of the Oline in 2016, early 2016 Dez, half a season of Cooper, and Zeke with which RBs don't effect games almost at all and yet Dak continues to win at a crazy high rate. This with an inept OC for all three years who isnt even getting interviews for assistant positions.

I disagree, he had the best OL in 2016 and has had the top rusher 2 of his 3 seasons but I do agree with the coaching being a developmental issue but I still believe Linehan, and I am not a fan, called plays from a lesser of two evils position. Those poor passes we see him throw in games he saw him throw them in practice day after day.

The greatest challenge to an OC is an inconsistent QB.

 

[SlammedZero]

Eh, I don't think it is that bad of a deal.

Also, Gruden taking a lot of heat in this thread about his moves (and I will agree some are very curious), but, isn't Mike Mayock the new GM in Oakland/Las Vegas?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I disagree, he had the best OL in 2016 and has had the top rusher 2 of his 3 seasons but I do agree with the coaching being a developmental issue but I still believe Linehan, and I am not a fan, called plays from a lesser of two evils position. Those poor passes we see him throw in games he saw him throw them in practice day after day.

The greatest challenge to an OC is an inconsistent QB.

I named both the Oline and Zeke in my post, and the leading rusher doesnt mean anything. He's had little help, but hopefully that changes.

The greatest challenge to an OC is poor QB play, which the Cowboys haven't had to endure.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Raiders basically traded Cooper and a 3rd and 5th for Brown and a 1st, money wouldn't have been that much different had they kept Cooper and just resigned him. I think the Raiders came out ahead. Brown is still at the top of his game, it is only a 3 year deal and now the Raiders can use most of those 1st round picks they have on defense. Those around here who are totally sold on Cooper should in my opinion take a wait and see attitude until after this season, he was up and down in Oakland and dissappeared alot. I don't question Cooper's talent i question his desire and motivation

Understood but you should question Antonio Brown's desire and motivation as well, especially now that he's going to be the league's highest paid WR. He's getting old, so I would not be surprised to see his stats, heart and desire go down, especially now that he's got a record contract. At least Amari is much younger and still having to play hard for a future bigger contract. Plus, Amari made it clear right after the season ended how ecstatic he is to be a Cowboy and remain one for a very long time. I'd say the Cowboys got the better end of the stick.

 

[ESisback]

Understood but you should question Antonio Brown's desire and motivation as well, especially now that he's going to be the league's highest paid WR. He's getting old, so I would not be surprised to see his stats, heart and desire go down, especially now that he's got a record contract. At least Amari is much younger and still having to play hard for a future bigger contract. Plus, Amari made it clear right after the season ended how ecstatic he is to be a Cowboy and remain one for a very long time. I'd say the Cowboys got the better end of the stick.

Me too, but there will always be factions that stubbornly push the whole “Dallas’ FO is the worst” agenda.

 

[America's Cowboy]

And there were lots of fans that wanted him here.

 

[StuckMojo]

Broncos won it just three years ago with TWO high priced WRs

That team won because of defense.

 

[Rockport]

You haven't seen the Amari cooper deal yet.....

I know you can’t wait to crap on Coopers contract. Why? Because you crap on everything the Cowboys do.