Why should Garrett be kept in a championship season?

Doomsday101

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"takes the team to the SB and wins..."

:lmao2::lmao:

A HC whose team hasn't even won back to back playoff games in 8 years

8 years

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Yes because there is a dead line on what points a coach can win a championship. Took Belicheck 6 years as a HC before he won his 1st and Pete Carroll 8 years before he won. They great Sean Payton took him no time 4th year but that was 10 years ago. I have said many times, if this team fails and Garrett is fired then so be it. My comment you responded to only states the idiotic comment of a HC getting no credit if his team wins a SB which would be a 1st in sports history
 

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So he can't speak his mind because he voluntarily moderates a forum? Lmao....Mmm K.
You've never delivered snide remarks? Come on. I have. You haven't?

He wasn't being snide. Others were. I am reactionary not proactively snide.
 

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I my eyes you keep coaches that have their hands on things. You keep the BB and McVeys, you dont keep the Garrett's who stand on the sideline, clap and make absolutely zero impact on a season.

Why should Garrett stay if the coordinators and players were the real reason of any success? That is like taking credit for someone elses work.

Once the owner tells you to just stand there, put your hands on nothing, and become a motivational puppet, you are a complete joke now.

I will never consider Garrett a SB winning coach even if it does happen. I am not naive enough to believe he would win anywhere else if such a situation acurred.

How do most fans not consider Barry Switzer a SB winning coach but would consider Garrett one!

""In such a situation""
? The reason they haven’t progressed further was because of Linehan and in his antiquated and predictable offense.
 

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Let me ask you this did we lose to the rams because our defense has been known to give up 273 yards rushing in a game. Or were they out coached?

They pretty much lined up and ran through us. They were outplayed. And they stopped our run when it mattered on defense.

The Rams did to us what they did to everybody between the 20s last year. It’d be nice to pretend we could have ‘coached ‘em up’ to win, but sometimes the team with the better roster and the extra week to prepare is actually good, too.

And we still were in position to tie that game late when we couldn’t convert on 4th and 1.
 

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How do most fans not consider Barry Switzer a SB winning coach but would consider Garrett one!

For me it would be because Switzer walked into a team that was loaded and ready to go because someone else built it up from scratch, while Garrett has completely re-made the roster from an old, over priced team to one of the youngest, most talented units in the league.

When Garrett first got the job he said he wanted a tough, physical team that played smashmouth football and then he went out and methodically re-made the roster into just that. He had a vision for what he wanted the team to be and what type of players he wanted brought in to Dallas.

There is no doubt that Garrett has made his mistakes in game day coaching, and has been learning on the job, and I get why fans say an NFL team should never have a coach learning as he goes. However, Garrett has indeed done a lot of learning along the way and I tend to break his tenure down into two parts: 2011-2013 and 2014-present.

2011-2013 was when he did his major learning on the job and was figuring out what he was doing while he rebuilt the team into what he wanted. He went 8-8 in every one of these seasons and some coaching mistakes actually kept the team out of the playoffs, IMO, at least one of those seasons.

2014 forward, he had pretty much changed the team over and had it playing the way he wanted. In this period we all got a pretty good look at what the team is under Garrett’s leadership. A young, well built roster that is pretty much a playoff contender and has yet to prove it can get to the conference championship. The records in this period are better than the on the job learning period and were: 12-4, 4-12, 13-3, 9-7, and 10-6.

In that period, Dallas has won 3 NFC East title, two wildcard playoff games, and lost in the divisional round all three of those years. That includes replacing the QB and continuing to re-make the roster into one of the youngest in the NFL. It also includes the second most regular season wins since changing over to the new QB.

So, IMO, Garrett has become a better coach and helped make the team into a more talented group. That’s why you won’t hear me say 2 playoff wins in 8 years as a head coach (although that is technically correct). I think he’s a different coach than he was early on. The last few years point to Dallas being a constant contender under his leadership. In short, under Garrett, Dallas has been a team that matters in the playoff conversation pretty much since 2014.

Now Garrett hasn’t been making in-game adjustments like I’d like to see and sometimes the game-plans leave something to be desired, so I understand the group that wants to have him replaced. I get frustrated as well sometimes.

However, it terrifies me what Jerry might do in hiring his replacement. Jason does a lot of good for the franchise in team building and keeping the team engaged, and frankly, I worry about losing that part of his influence.

For me, I think it boils down to the fact that I see Garrett learning from his mistakes and growing every year. It isn’t like the team is terrible and we’re trying to gut it out. Dallas is one of the conference favorites year-in and year-out and has one of the better young teams in the league. I do think Garrett might get over the hump very soon.

If he doesn’t, then fine, get a new coach... but if he finally has gotten to the point where he wins a championship? You absolutely keep him and enjoy the fruits of our patience in him learning as he went. It would be lunacy to let him go after winning the super bowl.
 
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? The reason they haven’t progressed further was because of Linehan and in his antiquated and predictable offense.
This is a tell tale sign for me. Linehan got what he wanted, blew it an was fired. If the let our young OC implement a new updated system , this team will be very successful. If JG doesn't and we struggle then JG will never get it and need to be replaced. Its do or die for him.
 

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My job is to make sure forum members have a place to share their opinions within the guidelines. Fortunately, I’m not required to actually agree with some of those opinions.

I can even point out when they’re silly now and then. Like saying “if our HC wins a Superbowl, we should fire him for cause because I don’t know what he does and I want to pretend what he does is actually nothing.”
I disagree with this post.


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I will never consider Garrett a SB winning coach even if it does happen

That's fine, but if he does win one and you look at the list of SB winning coaches in the NFL website, etc. his name will be listed there right alongside Landry.

You can consider all you want, but you don't get to decide who's a SB winning coach and who's not....
 

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The talent is miles better than the coaching. That's barely debatable.

There's a reason we talk about not being able to pay all our players, and it isn't because they're no good. Meanwhile, nobody is afraid of not being able to retain Jason Garrett.

Well maybe one person.
 

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There’s no issue with the HC in Dallas. Yes, that’s an opinion.

“Because they haven’t gotten to the conference championship game, the issue is with the head coach” is a logically unsound statement. It might be the coach. It might be something else. That’s fine if it happens to be your opinion, but it isn’t evidence that your argument is valid.

I, also, want coaching to be the solution to the issues in Dallas. I just happen to think that we’ve got issues above any HC’s pay grade.

That’s fair.

But my logic still isn’t unsound.

I’m saying that the current coaching group hasn’t gotten the job done, in 8 years. Which is a fact. Therefore, to this point they have not been part of the solution. It doesn’t mean they are the main problem, that’s debatable. It doesn’t mean there aren’t other factors that make it really tough for them to win a championship.

What isn’t debatable is that up to this point Garret and his staff haven’t solved the problems either. That isn’t illogical, it’s a fact.

I also can readily admit that we could fire Garret, hire another coach and that coach very well could also fall short. High level coaching is generally tough to find. A lot of trial and error.

It’s just my opinion that Garret has had ample opportunity to try and be the solution and hasn’t proven the ability to be it.
 

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I my eyes you keep coaches that have their hands on things. You keep the BB and McVeys, you dont keep the Garrett's who stand on the sideline, clap and make absolutely zero impact on a season.

Why should Garrett stay if the coordinators and players were the real reason of any success? That is like taking credit for someone elses work.

Once the owner tells you to just stand there, put your hands on nothing, and become a motivational puppet, you are a complete joke now.

I will never consider Garrett a SB winning coach even if it does happen. I am not naive enough to believe he would win anywhere else if such a situation acurred.

How do most fans not consider Barry Switzer a SB winning coach but would consider Garrett one!

""In such a situation""
JJ. It’s all about JJ. And it looks like JJs patience maybe running out and with SJ taking over a little more and JG not getting a extension this maybe the end if he don’t produce a championship.

Wondering who is up next for the HC job. I do think we may promote Richard. But then you have another coach that’s a new HC. Learning on the job. I don’t see Moore going from being a new OC to a new HC.
 

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I my eyes you keep coaches that have their hands on things. You keep the BB and McVeys, you dont keep the Garrett's who stand on the sideline, clap and make absolutely zero impact on a season.

Why should Garrett stay if the coordinators and players were the real reason of any success? That is like taking credit for someone elses work.

Once the owner tells you to just stand there, put your hands on nothing, and become a motivational puppet, you are a complete joke now.

I will never consider Garrett a SB winning coach even if it does happen. I am not naive enough to believe he would win anywhere else if such a situation acurred.

How do most fans not consider Barry Switzer a SB winning coach but would consider Garrett one!

""In such a situation""
Other than HC's that double dip as one of their own coordinators like McVay, Payton and Reid, what do you see the other coaches doing on the sideline? What did Johnson and Parcells do on the sideline? If you believe Aikman, Turner had more to do with their success during games than Johnson.

Most HC's, other than the little red flag, going for it on 4th downs and TO's, their job for that game ends in the locker room. More and more, they are becoming more like admin guys to lead the coaching staff.

While I am not a Garrett fan, I do not think it is fair to judge him on his job when we really don't know what all that entails.
 

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The thing about JG is his players play for him. They never quit , no matter what the swirling drama is. They have went on winning streaks every year to save his job. If he wins a championship and you fire him, what message does that send you team? I like the type of players and the environment he has created "the Cowboy way" , He is NOT a good X and O guy. Romo covered that up for years. He has got to step away from that and let his OC run it. If he cant then he never will and he has taken this team as far as it will go. If he can we will win multiple superbowls going forward. This next season is HUGE, a tipping point. I pray to God that Garret finally gets it.
 

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I my eyes you keep coaches that have their hands on things. You keep the BB and McVeys, you dont keep the Garrett's who stand on the sideline, clap and make absolutely zero impact on a season.

Why should Garrett stay if the coordinators and players were the real reason of any success? That is like taking credit for someone elses work.

Once the owner tells you to just stand there, put your hands on nothing, and become a motivational puppet, you are a complete joke now.

I will never consider Garrett a SB winning coach even if it does happen. I am not naive enough to believe he would win anywhere else if such a situation acurred.

How do most fans not consider Barry Switzer a SB winning coach but would consider Garrett one!

""In such a situation""

Aside from the fact that it's nonsense for people to keep saying all Garrett does is clap, and is not otherwise involved ….

I'm not a fan of Garrett as a head coach and think he should have been replaced, but what you are saying isn't the reason. Lots of head coaches don't call plays and aren't coordinators, and somebody has to be the central figure that ties it all together and sets the tone and schedules and goals and parameters for all units. If the team wins, Garrett gets credit for that, and if they lose he doesn't. I just think he hasn't been effective at his job, but if the team won that would change the outlook.
 

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2011-2013 was when he did his major learning on the job and was figuring out what he was doing while he rebuilt the team into what he wanted. He went 8-8 in every one of these seasons and some coaching mistakes actually kept the team out of the playoffs, IMO, at least one of those seasons.

2014 forward, he had pretty much changed the team over and had it playing the way he wanted.
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This is why i can't give jg credit. In 2014 mcclay started being over the draft and JG got play calling taken away from him. I don't think it's a coincidence that's when we came a smash mouth team and the roster started to come together.
 

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As far as the OP, if we were to win a SB this year, no, you can't fire him and have to give him credit. For all the **** I give him for what he doesn't do or hasn't done , ill have to give him credit for a super bowl win.

I'm pretty sure some who would still want him gone and wouldnt give him credit are the same ones who would take Payton ovet jg "in a heart beat". If he was to win the super bowl this year, their career regular season wins would be on par with each other , Payton would have a edge in play off wins and both would have 1 chip. If you go from when jg was hired and compare the 2 from that point, jg would actually come out better.
 

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This is why i can't give jg credit. In 2014 mcclay started being over the draft and JG got play calling taken away from him. I don't think it's a coincidence that's when we came a smash mouth team and the roster started to come together.
T Smith and Frederick were taken prior to McClay. And apparently Garret didn’t want the trade for Claiborne and instead wanted to take Brockers.

When Garrett got the job he said he wanted a physical football team and started moving in that direction with his first draft. McClay just helped even further.

JMO
 
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