Where do you stand on Garrett and why?

[Dre11]

As I have said, talent on the field makes mediocre coaching talent better, good coaching talent much better, and top flight coaching talent champions. Jimmy had an advantage because he could pick his players. But I doubt there is one person on this site who actually thinks Garrett could pick his nose, much less create a roster of champions..

As I stared in another response to someone else, follow Garrett's success. Find the hire date of Will McClay and see how that fits with the success if Garret.

You get him talent he can rise as much as the talent will take him, but he cannot make the talent play to their peak because he is a weak leader that is indecisive, doesn't understand the risk reward aspect of gambling at the right time, and doesn't come across as a real leader in many, if any aspects of his nature. Not to mention his subversion of Wade Phillips, which reveals a lack of character. This is not like Belichick cheating. This is leading the team to lose to get a job. And after Wade left that was an interesting conversation among the radio hosts and a couple of former offensive players how the game plans and passing routes changed from the week before to the week after, and the offense opened up. And that is where I soured on Opie.

He's just a smart guy that rose past his ability to coach. And in my opinion, that passing point was when he became the offensive coordinator.

Just my opinion.

Ahhh, you haven't been paying attention, it was Garrett idea to rebuild the team from the oline, it was Garrett idea to improve the ground game. In fact, Broddaus( I know folks despise him) but he around the organization, talks to the Stephen and folks within the team, he's said the organization consider Garrett as a very good talent evaluator and that they value his input on players. So unless you're around the team is say you might be off base. Jimmy had the fortune of coaching when you could buy any player you want and keep them. Folks do like to refer back to Jimmy and what he done, but he had a huge advantage. As far as coaching talent , I haven't seen no coach win anything significant with subpar talent, not even Jimmy.

 

[OmerV]

I guess everyone has their opinion. Seems to me the overall job he has done ios the telling aspect of his ability. He got better when the Jones' hired McClay. who started getting better talent.

But let's quibble over his ineptitude in the beginning and his epic lack of success in the -play-offs first with Romo and Murray, and then Dak and Zeke and what os considered one of the best lines in football.

Yeah, that's an idea.,

It's a fine idea to say he hasn't produced wins in the playoffs. He hasn't. But that wasn't your argument. You argument - the entirety of it - was all about failings you saw 6-7 years ago that are not happening now. Lots of coaches failed early in their careers, and fans have to let that go if they want to be fair, and judge on where and what the coach is now. If you want to argue that he isn't quite getting the job done in the present, that's fine. The present is a relevant discussion. 2013 is not.

 

[TwoDeep3]

It's a fine idea to say he hasn't produced wins in the playoffs. He hasn't. But that wasn't your argument. You argument - the entirety of it - was all about failings you saw 6-7 years ago that are not happening now. Lots of coaches failed early in their careers, and fans have to let that go if they want to be fair, and judge on where and what the coach is now. If you want to argue that he isn't quite getting the job done in the present, that's fine. The present is a relevant discussion. 2013 is not.

No sir, that is what you think my argument was. My correlation between Campo and Garrett used their similar 5-11 and 8-8 to show that Garrett isn't any better, but had a better player.

Which is the exact argument I have about him. I have been making this argument on this site for YEARS. Not just today or yesterday. He stole his head coach job and then went on to show he wasn't much of a coach. The FO added McClay, which brought in better players. Enough to returning to the playoffs. But he still can't close the deal. It's all related to his lack of head coaching ability. And looking at his tenure as a Cowboy head coach, it is step by step of talent added and talent wasted under a man that has no clue how to squeeze every ounce of play making ability to reach an NFC Championship game.

Now that is my argument.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Ahhh, you haven't been paying attention, it was Garrett idea to rebuild the team from the oline, it was Garrett idea to improve the ground game. In fact, Broddaus( I know folks despise him) but he around the organization, talks to the Stephen and folks within the team, he's said the organization consider Garrett as a very good talent evaluator and that they value his input on players. So unless you're around the team is say you might be off base. Jimmy had the fortune of coaching when you could buy any player you want and keep them. Folks do like to refer back to Jimmy and what he done, but he had a huge advantage. As far as coaching talent , I haven't seen no coach win anything significant with subpar talent, not even Jimmy.

Jimmy and his coaching staff scouted every player with a damn when they were in college for recruitment. He brought that information to the pros. Was that a perfect storm? Sure. But to even suggest Garrett is a good evaluator in the same breath as Jimmy and company, then to suggest it was free agency that made the Cowboys great then ignores their drafting record back then.

And they had extra picks because Jimmy fashioned the Walker trade.

Sorry, I disagree about Garrett building the line or his ability to recognize talent. Regardless of what Broaddus says.

 

[Coy]

Fire him, yesterday.

 

[Big_D]

Fire him, yesterday.

No doubt about it. He should've never been hired waaaaaay back in 2007. It's absolutely mind numbing that he's still here 12 years later.

 

[Dre11]

Jimmy and his coaching staff scouted every player with a damn when they were in college for recruitment. He brought that information to the pros. Was that a perfect storm? Sure. But to even suggest Garrett is a good evaluator in the same breath as Jimmy and company, then to suggest it was free agency that made the Cowboys great then ignores their drafting record back then.

And they had extra picks because Jimmy fashioned the Walker trade.

Sorry, I disagree about Garrett building the line or his ability to recognize talent. Regardless of what Broaddus says.

Yet he wanted to draft Rob Frederickson over Emmitt, thank God Cincy took him before we could, he tried to trade Irvin thank God Davis talked him out of it, He tried to replace Aikman with Walsh, Thank God Walsh sucked...lol some scouting huh, it took a lot a luck and parts of his plan to fail.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Yet he wanted to draft Rob Frederickson over Emmitt, thank God Cincy took him before we could, he tried to trade Irvin thank God Davis talked him out of it, He tried to replace Aikman with Walsh, Thank God Walsh sucked...lol some scouting huh, it took a lot a luck and parts of his plan to fail.

Wrong - Jimmy wanted to draft James Frances the linebacker that went to Cincy. He never had a shot at drafting Frances, much less draft him over Emmitt. Jimmy traded up above the Stealers to draft Emmitt. I would like to see what Jimmy did if he had a shot at both. I think you would have been wrong twice with this one. Jimmy didn't think Emmitt would get to them.

Heres is the link to a draft site for all seasons. There isn't even a Rob Frederickson in that draft.

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/years/1990

Wrong - He drafted Aikman and then in the supplemental draft took Walsh. They hadn't even been to camp as yet. And which one did Jimmy keep? And what did Jimmy get for Walsh?

July 7, 1989

1989 NFL Supplemental Draft held on July 7, 1989, following the 1989 NFL Draft.

As far as trading Irvin.....that did make me laugh.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Top five tenured head coaches in the NFL

Belichick 2000 - Super Bowl X6 wins
Payton 2006 - Super Bowl win
Tomlin 2007 - Super Bowl win
Garrett 2010
Caroll 2010 - Super Bowl win

One of these things is not like the others

 

[Rayman70]

where do I stand on Garrett and why? Channeling my inner Cowboyron… His hands , so we don't have to watch him perpetually clap all game long.

 

[Big_D]

Top five tenured head coaches in the NFL

Belichick 2000 - Super Bowl X6 wins
Payton 2006 - Super Bowl win
Tomlin 2007 - Super Bowl win
Garrett 2010
Caroll 2010 - Super Bowl win

One of these things is not like the others

Pete Carroll won a championship, went to 2 super bowls and has 9 playoff wins. Take the possum completely out of the picture, he doesn't even belong there. lol

 

[Dre11]

Wrong - Jimmy wanted to draft James Frances the linebacker that went to Cincy. He never had a shot at drafting Frances, much less draft him over Emmitt. Jimmy traded up above the Stealers to draft Emmitt. I would like to see what Jimmy did if he had a shot at both. I think you would have been wrong twice with this one. Jimmy didn't think Emmitt would get to them.

Heres is the link to a draft site for all seasons. There isn't even a Rob Frederickson in that draft.

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/years/1990

Wrong - He drafted Aikman and then in the supplemental draft took Walsh. They hadn't even been to camp as yet. And which one did Jimmy keep? And what did Jimmy get for Walsh?

July 7, 1989

1989 NFL Supplemental Draft held on July 7, 1989, following the 1989 NFL Draft.

As far as trading Irvin.....that did make me laugh.

You're right it was Francis I was thinking of still he is who he would've picked instead of Emmitt.

Also, this from Aikman , even he knew it. In fact Aikman said he almost requested a trade.

Aikman said Johnson not sticking by his side early on hurt their relationship.

"It impacted me being an ally for Jimmy very early on in my career. He already had a relationship with Steve because they went back to college. I had no relationship with Jimmy. I had turned him down twice already. So it created a little bit of a friction between us that took a few years to overcome."

 

[Flamma]

I just thought he was an interim head coach when he was inserted in 2010 for obvious reasons. Why wouldn't Jerry look for a real head coach to start the next season? Since that time Garrett hasn't really done anything that I wouldn't expect.

 

[TexasBoys2288]

Not a complaint, an observation. Doomsday's post was about being disappointed once he opened the thread and realized what the intent was, and your response to him was to explain your intent with the thread even though it wasn't you who created it.

Ok? Have you been drinking today?

 

[acr731]

Ahhh, you haven't been paying attention, it was Garrett idea to rebuild the team from the oline, it was Garrett idea to improve the ground game. In fact, Broddaus( I know folks despise him) but he around the organization, talks to the Stephen and folks within the team, he's said the organization consider Garrett as a very good talent evaluator and that they value his input on players. So unless you're around the team is say you might be off base. Jimmy had the fortune of coaching when you could buy any player you want and keep them. Folks do like to refer back to Jimmy and what he done, but he had a huge advantage. As far as coaching talent , I haven't seen no coach win anything significant with subpar talent, not even Jimmy.

So Garrett is very good at evaluating talent, and then he wastes said talent because he has no idea what to do with it?

Gotcha..........

 

[Dre11]

So Garrett is very good at evaluating talent, and then he wastes said talent because he has no idea what to do with it?

Gotcha..........

So you say, sure looks like he knows what to do with it. 3 division championships and playoff appearances in 5 years.

 

[OmerV]

Ok? Have you been drinking today?

Maybe you should read the posts in question instead deflecting attention from what you wrote.

 

[acr731]

So you say, sure looks like he knows what to do with it. 3 division championships and playoff appearances in 5 years.

Those regular season accomplishments are amazing, aren't they? While other franchises focus on super bowls, certain Dallas fans are stoked about division championships. Yep, that Garrett is a sure HOF'er, but only if the hall is willing to accept mediocrity. You certainly seem to be.

 

[TexasBoys2288]

Maybe you should read the posts in question instead deflecting attention from what you wrote.

What I wrote was quite appropriate. Maybe you shouldn't critique other peoples posts, and concentrate on writing ones that make sense.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Top five tenured head coaches in the NFL

Belichick 2000 - Super Bowl X6 wins
Payton 2006 - Super Bowl win
Tomlin 2007 - Super Bowl win
Garrett 2010
Caroll 2010 - Super Bowl win

THIS^

Garrett is NOT an average NFL Head Coach ; he is not below average ... his results are atrocious . His results are clear .

I see Garrett more as a press conference speaker , he has nothing to offer as HC .

JASON GARRETT HAS THE NFL RECORD AS THE COACH WITH THE LONGEST TENURE TO NOT MAKE THE SUPERBOWL . EVER .

NFL RECORD.