Wentz contract put Cowboys in precarious situation

[Corso]

What do you mean it’s injury guaranteed? If the Eagles sit him like they did last season you are trying to say he doesn’t get paid?

Yeah... this confuses me. Is there money that's not going to be paid if he doesn't get injured @Birdgang ?

 

[Qcard]

Wentz has $41.9 million in gurantees linked to his availability.

That is about $10 per season on the extension. So Eagles and Wentzs have agreed to pay him as top QB if he stays healthy.

This is a great deal by the Eagles and reflective of their amazing Cap maneuvering as reflected over the past 5 seasons

 

[xwalker]

Lets make no mistake about this, Wentz gave the Eagles a massive hometown discount. With remaining money owed ($154 M) and 6 years that is an avg of $25.7 Mill year. If Wentz even sniffs another MVP type year, that contract becomes most favorable team contract in all of sports. Wentz is only the #9th highest paid QB in football with top 3 potential. Garoppolo & Stafford are still ahead of him in avg yearly number (let that sink in). Wentz contract will allow Eagles to be aggressive in FA or resigning their players.

Now for Cowboys, Wentz hometown discount contract put Dallas in a bad spot because Dak will want more. That won't play out well on national or local level because most see Wentz as superior talent. Every game Dak contract will be compared to Wentz. Every losing streak will come back to Dak contract. Its really this simple. Since Wentz & Dak new contracts are happening at same time, If Dak makes more money then he has to out-perform Wentz over next six years. IMO thats wishful thinking.

That's not really how it works.

The new money is 128M over 4 years which is 32M average.

Yes, it will be listed as a 6 year contract for ~154M; however, Wentz didn't tak a discount to play for ~26M per year. If he was NOT under contract for 2019 and 2020, then the new contract would start still be for ~32M per year except the 32M per would start in 2020 instead of 2022.

 

[Rockport]

I already know you live in la la land
No need to remind me

Well I know what’s going on with the team so where does that leave you? Clueless.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

In Major League Baseball , the team's record is reflected in the standings , yet don't pitchers have WON/LOSS records attributed to them ? Do they make every put-out with zero assistance ? And what about goalies in the NHL ?Their goals against average and THEIR WON/LOSS RECORDS(s) are recorded and included.............. I guess baseball and hockey aren't team games.................

In the MLB no hitters are attributed to the pitcher but he isnt in the outfield catching fly balls.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

It's not a great stat to judge a QB by, which is his point. I mean, Prescott gets credit for a "win" against Oakland in 2017 and yet he played horridly, I mean like bottom of the NFL backup type QBing in that game. In what world should we judge that performance as strong because he was lucky enough to log a win that day?

Further, Prescott fans only like to use wins when it suits their purpose. For example, they love citing wins and losses now and attribute that to him, but in 2017, they didn't want to apply win/loss records to him then............. instead it was "well he doesn't have Zeke, and his WRs aren't good and his OL was poor, blah, blah, blah................"

I understand the premise of his argument but his opinions dont change the fact; All QB's have a win/loss record on their stat sheets.

We will never know how important Dak is, to the success of this team, until he misses a couple of games.

 

[Little Jr]

It's not a great stat to judge a QB by, which is his point. I mean, Prescott gets credit for a "win" against Oakland in 2017 and yet he played horridly, I mean like bottom of the NFL backup type QBing in that game. In what world should we judge that performance as strong because he was lucky enough to log a win that day?

Further, Prescott fans only like to use wins when it suits their purpose. For example, they love citing wins and losses now and attribute that to him, but in 2017, they didn't want to apply win/loss records to him then............. instead it was "well he doesn't have Zeke, and his WRs aren't good and his OL was poor, blah, blah, blah................"

Yet in 2017 he had a great game VS GB but took the L. That's how it works. Fair, not fair, like, don't like, coaches and qbs get Ws and Ls attached to their name's.


Us, Prescott fans, attach all 9 wins and all 7 losses to his name in 2017. Even in his worst year and the excuses we give, he still came out above. 500. We give excuses/reasons why certain losses aren't on him. Just like y'all, non Dak fans, give reasons / agenda driven reason, why he deserves no credit for certain wins.

 

[rags]

With the logic this board has now, Eli Manning should be a lock first ballot HOF. I mean, winning is all that matters and Manning has 2 Super Bowl rings.

But I suspect they have different standards for what they consider successful for our divisional rivals.

2 SB rings won't automatically get you into Canton. Ask Jim Plunkett, former QB of the Raiders. He's still waiting for his phone to ring.

 

[Birdgang]

Yeah... this confuses me. Is there money that's not going to be paid if he doesn't get injured @Birdgang ?

What do you mean it’s injury guaranteed? If the Eagles sit him like they did last season you are trying to say he doesn’t get paid?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...gency-glossary-all-the-terms-you-need-to-know

injury guarantee: If a player is released but is currently unable to perform football duties (i.e., doesn't pass a physical) as a result of team activities, the player is entitled to any money in his contract protected against injury. An injury-only guarantee is the most common in terms of partially guaranteed money.

Sorry for late reply , had uninvited family show up .... Looks like Wil E Coyote and the Tasmanian devil went through my house.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why do you guys keep saying it’s 25 million per season when the contract doesn’t kick in for two years?

Over the next 6 years, it's 25 per season. It's not a new contract, it's basically a restructure that tacks on more money and an extension of an additional 4 years. I mean, it's basically what we would do with Dak if he signs. The difference is the rookie contract money for being a 1st round pick rather then a 4th round pick essentially. If you do the math, it averages out to 25 mil and chance over 6 years.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Over the next 6 years, it's 25 per season. It's not a new contract, it's basically a restructure that tacks on more money and an extension of an additional 4 years. I mean, it's basically what we would do with Dak if he signs. The difference is the rookie contract money for being a 1st round pick rather then a 4th round pick essentially. If you do the math, it averages out to 25 mil and chance over 6 years.

But the contract doesn’t kick in until two years from now.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But the contract doesn’t kick in until two years from now.

Regardless of how it's structured, it's still an extension of his existing Contract that adds additional years, spreading money over 6 seasons. I mean, he may be getting paid more or less in some years but it still averages out to a little over 25 million a year.

 

[ItzKelz]

Lets make no mistake about this, Wentz gave the Eagles a massive hometown discount. With remaining money owed ($154 M) and 6 years that is an avg of $25.7 Mill year. If Wentz even sniffs another MVP type year, that contract becomes most favorable team contract in all of sports. Wentz is only the #9th highest paid QB in football with top 3 potential. Garoppolo & Stafford are still ahead of him in avg yearly number (let that sink in). Wentz contract will allow Eagles to be aggressive in FA or resigning their players.

Now for Cowboys, Wentz hometown discount contract put Dallas in a bad spot because Dak will want more. That won't play out well on national or local level because most see Wentz as superior talent. Every game Dak contract will be compared to Wentz. Every losing streak will come back to Dak contract. Its really this simple. Since Wentz & Dak new contracts are happening at same time, If Dak makes more money then he has to out-perform Wentz over next six years. IMO thats wishful thinking.

Mission accomplished....Dak has already out performed Wentz!

 

[JBS]

Hahahah op is absolutely clueless on the Wentz contract..somebody break it down for this bozo

 

[JBS]

That's not really how it works.

The new money is 128M over 4 years which is 32M average.

Yes, it will be listed as a 6 year contract for ~154M; however, Wentz didn't tak a discount to play for ~26M per year. If he was NOT under contract for 2019 and 2020, then the new contract would start still be for ~32M per year except the 32M per would start in 2020 instead of 2022.

Unfortunately you are wasting your time...the op is clueless

 

[BigCatMonaco]

Wentz
1.8 TD per game
1.5 turnovers per game

Vs

Dak
1.77 TD per game
1.0 turnovers per game


Over your average 16 game season that’s a difference of

28.8 TD
24 TO

Vs

28.32 TD
16 TO


That doesn’t factor in health at all. And I’d still take Dak 10/10 times.

 

[xwalker]

This is a good deal for both IMO. I mean, the Eagles owe 22 and change no matter what happens so an extension for 25 a year is a really good deal for them and it's more then fair considering his history, to me. I think that Dak should get paid a little less but if he's not, then this number is where he is likely at. I don't think Dak gets paid 32 mil a year and I also don't think anybody is going to pay him that, at this point in his career.

It's not really 25 per year. It's 32 per year on the new money.

If he had been a free agent that was franchised this year and then signed this contract, it would be about 32M per.

Example:
Jan 2016: You sign a lease for office space at $5K per month on a 4 year contract.

Jan 2018: You extend your lease for an additional 4 years at market rate of $10K per month.

2016 $5K
2017 $5K
2018 $5K
2019 $5K
2020 $10K
2021 $10K
2022 $10K
2023 $10K

If you looked at other office space prior to signing the extension, the comparison rate for 2020-2023 is $10K. It's NOT $7.5K or $8.33K.

 

[Birdgang]

I think people are missing some of the important facts here. Its really kind of a great deal for both sides. The extension does not kick in until 2021 season. he still has this year 2019, and .will make $720,000 in base salary but will earn $3,367,683 million in roster bonuses. Then he will make 22 Million for 2020. With how fast we have seen both Salaries and CAP go up, its will save the team huge in the long run. Wentz gets security while saving the team money in the future.

Now what people are saying is they can spread some of the cap hit as well through these 2 years .... Im not sure about that one but would be pretty dam good idea if you can. Taken a hit while its only 4 million would be insane. Does anyone remember another deal like this ?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Lets make no mistake about this, Wentz gave the Eagles a massive hometown discount. With remaining money owed ($154 M) and 6 years that is an avg of $25.7 Mill year. If Wentz even sniffs another MVP type year, that contract becomes most favorable team contract in all of sports. Wentz is only the #9th highest paid QB in football with top 3 potential. Garoppolo & Stafford are still ahead of him in avg yearly number (let that sink in). Wentz contract will allow Eagles to be aggressive in FA or resigning their players.

Now for Cowboys, Wentz hometown discount contract put Dallas in a bad spot because Dak will want more. That won't play out well on national or local level because most see Wentz as superior talent. Every game Dak contract will be compared to Wentz. Every losing streak will come back to Dak contract. Its really this simple. Since Wentz & Dak new contracts are happening at same time, If Dak makes more money then he has to out-perform Wentz over next six years. IMO thats wishful thinking.

he is taking the Brady route. what's the difference between 154 mil vs. 175? yes, mathematically 20 mill. but what will that get him financially? he is set for life. He is a competitor and what will set him apart is how many rings he has and what's his legacy...not putting him in the same legacy as Brady, but home count discounts allow the team to sign additional players and win championships. instead of tying up your salary cap in the QB and not having the players to surround him to succeed (ala Stafford).

 

[NotForLong]

Because Wentz looks prettier when he loses. lol

And Dak looks Ugly when He Wins . . .