The Case Against Extending Elliott

[GhostOfPelluer]

I must say any poster that thinks 1. Dak isn't the answer and 2. We shouldn't pay Zeke, must enjoy this title-less streak we've got going on here.

 

[Diehardblues]

We are only a better team without Zeke if we can find someone that will give us equal production and no off field issues that keep him from playing .

I would like someone with the work ethic of Jaylon Smith at RB . Seems like Zeke is a party first guy who relies on natural ability . These don't usually have long NFL careers .

It all about who could we get and not lose production while capitalizing on Zeke as a proven commodity. Hard to say this close to camp if it could be done.

While we could rebound next year in draft or FA it would be potentially devastating this year without Elliott.

If he does intend to sit out I could see this dragging into the season . And pending how well the season is going might determine if Jerry reacts. In other words if we are struggling like we begin last year I wouldn’t be surprised if Jerry buckled and signed him. If we don’t appear to be missing him then we might look to trade him.

 

[Johnny23]

What RB's did NE win the SB with? When all of those backs you mentioned played, what was the % of run/pass? Between 55-60% run, an elite back was a much hotter commodity back then and those SB teams had top defenses as well. But most of all, none had a cap that would force them to pay Dorsett or Smith and give up some of those players on the D side.

There are few comparisons that can be made pre cap and post cap NFL. It's a different game now.

But even if you could make them. What if the Cowboys didn't have Dorsett but another quality RB? Same with Smith. We don't know but those were good teams beyond the RB.

Corey Dillion in 2004 had his last elite season rushing for 1632 yards and adding balance to NE's offense. He was solid scoring 10 plus touchdowns and splitting time the next two years in 2005,2006 but never over 1,000 again. They got the Super Bowl and this season when healthy Sony Michel was used as a workhorse especially in the playoffs. He was 5 yards shy of a Emmitt Smith and Terrell Davis like playoff run. I believe he had 95 yards in the super bowl and scored the pats only touchdown in that game.

New England drafted Marion Barber's teammate Laurence Maroney to replace Dillion in 2006 as a first round draft pick. He was bust and this past year New England drafted Michel in the first to take pressure off Brady. They were run heavy in New England when Michel was healthy and had he played more than 13 games he easily eclipses the 1000 yard mark. When Michel and Burkhead miss games this year Damien Harris will step in as the lead workhorse back.

Billy boy loves a power run game. It's a misconception that he is averse to workhorse elite backs. It's all about value when it presents itself. He is just more adaptable than Parcels was see Mo Carthan and OJ Anderson that got them their rings together.

It's following the ESPN and FS 1 narrative that creates this logical fallacy you and others copy,paste, and spew off. What makes New England great us that they can beat you using a committee (Antwaun Smith,Kevin Faulk),(Dion Lewis, Burkhead,White,Blount) or blodgen you with a workhorse with pro bowl potential in Dillion or Michel.

It is not an either or with Belichek lead teams it's a how do you want us to dice you up. That is why they have proven to be a big success in the NFL today. They're not Ridgid in one philosophy.

It also should be added that Curtis Martin was a guy that Belichek would have kept around had he not left for the Jets. That whole ordeal.

 

[DuncanIso]

While we could rebound next year in draft or FA it would be potentially devastating this year without Elliott.

If he does intend to sit out I could see this dragging into the season . And pending how well the season is going might determine if Jerry reacts. In other words if we are struggling like we begin last year I wouldn’t be surprised if Jerry buckled and signed him. If we don’t appear to be missing him then we might look to trade him.

Zeke had 2001 total yards last season.

There's gonna be some missing.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

We were only 18th in the league in successful rush %, and considering how good our run blocking was(10th) that's just unacceptable.

Our running game has to take the next step and the way to do it is our running backs being more effective with the rock per carry.

Paying the largest RB contract to someone contributing to the 18th most efficient rush attack? LMAO hell no

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Zeke had 2001 total yards last season.

There's gonna be some missing.

McFadden and Randle had 1850 yards in 2015 on less touches than Zeke. Nobody thinks they are even average backs. Get a couple average backs for cheap and get more production than what Zeke provides.

 

[DuncanIso]

We were only 18th in the league in successful rush %, and considering how good our run blocking was(10th) that's just unacceptable.

Our running game has to take the next step and the way to do it is our running backs being more effective with the rock per carry.

Paying the largest RB contract to someone contributing to the 18th most efficient rush attack? LMAO hell no

Zeke won a rushing title.

Again.

I think we are OK in the run game dept.

 

[DuncanIso]

McFadden and Randle had 1850 yards in 2015 on less touches than Zeke. Nobody thinks they are even average backs. Get a couple average backs for cheap and get more production than what Zeke provides.

Replace old Zeke?

Good idea.

Sign a few scrubs and let them win a rushing title.

Pay em 400k each and save some $$$.

8)

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Zeke won a rushing title.

Again.

I think we are OK in the run game dept.

Zeke had the most rushes.

Again, we were the 18th best riding team. That's not okay, unless you accept below mediocre

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Replace old Zeke?

Good idea.

Sign a few scrubs and let them win a rushing title.

Pay em 400k each and save some $$$.

8)

You see? You never have anything of substance to respond lol.

Your responses are a waste of space 8)

I'd rather be a better running team than a single player win a useless trophy such as the rushing title.

 

[ghst187]

I think its pretty obvious that its time to change. Jerry knew it and fired linehan and brought in Moore.

Zeke and the run first offense was devised to help Romo in his later years and to keep a bad defense off the field. The defense is now a strength and Dak and the passing game is ready to take the next step. Time to adjust. And you will be hard pressed to have the most expensive Oline in the NFL, a WR at 18 million per year, a QB at 30 million and then pay the RB 18 million. You have to save somewhere. From where I am sitting, that would be at the RB position. And I see it as a amazing that our current RB is young and a top 3 back. It gives you 2 great options.

1. Play out his rookie deal for two more years and then possibly franchise him or
2. Trade him for some big time draft assets after THIS season.

But the Zeke guys are probably in luck. I would think that at some point Zeke will get paid.

The numbers are what they are but Dak is not Brady and he’s not dropping back 40x per game like a Brees or Rodgers and winning. He needs Zeke.
We can debate all day but I’m guessing Jerry has his mind made up to pay Zeke regardless of whether we decide good idea or bad

 

[Johnny23]

Zeke had the most rushes.

Again, we were the 18th best riding team. That's not okay, unless you accept below mediocre

McFadden and Randle. That's what you got?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

McFadden and Randle. That's what you got?

Their production stats? Yeah I got them.

What do you got?

 

[aikemirv]

I’m a huge Zeke fan and want to keep him. BUT, if he holds out with two years left on his contract, I’d rather the front office trade him. The last thing this team needs is a big, whining distraction.

You just extend him now - spend a few more bucks but just extend 3 years for a total of 5 from now and you have no more decisions to make on him. Pretty simple in my book. Make years 4 and 5 large salary amounts and guarantee a large portion if he has no suspensions.

 

[Johnny23]

Their production stats? Yeah I got them.

What do you got?

I try to black out the 2015 season not clinge to that failure of a season. But Zeke outgained but in every season but 2017 due to his suspension.

I will take Zeke over the panty raider and the guy we couldn't wait to replace any day of the week.

In 2015 the only season they were teammates Randle ran for
359 yards on 76 carries
McFadden ran for 1089 yards on 239 carries

That is 1445 yards on 315 carries.

So Zeke ran for 1434 last season on 304 carries.

So they were 4-12 and got 11 more yards on 11 carries.

You would rather have two guys who who needed 11 more carries to get 11 extra yards to a guy who would blow past their production rushing as a tandem with the same amount of carries.


Randle added 10 catches for 86 yards

And McFadden added 328 yards through the air on 40 receptions.

50 rec. 414 yards.

Zeke had 77 for 567 last year.



I got stats and facts too.

Zeke had 2001 yards of total offense with a possitive effect on the games. In 10-6 playoffs team.

Where as McFadden and Randle were slightly less effective 1859 combined total yards on a bad 4-12 team.

I don't believe that a guy who is out of the NFL since that season and a guy who stayed injury prone and then produced 86 yards in 4 games once we got Zeke should be praised..

Plus both Randle and especially McFadden got yards when the game was over that year with Matt Cassell,weeden,and Moore at quarterback. With no threat of actually winning games.

Miss me with wanting a first round bust and nutjob back up who should never have been starting on an NFL team than Zeke.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I try to black out the 2015 season not clinge to that failure of a season. But Zeke outgained but in every season but 2017 due to his suspension.

I will take Zeke over the panty raider and the guy we couldn't wait to replace any day of the week.

In 2015 the only season they were teammates Randle ran for
359 yards on 76 carries
McFadden ran for 1089 yards on 239 carries

That is 1445 yards on 315 carries.

So Zeke ran for 1434 last season on 304 carries.

So they were 4-12 and got 11 more yards on 11 carries.

You would rather have two guys who who needed 11 more carries to get 11 extra yards to a guy who would blow past their production rushing as a tandem with the same amount of carries.


Randle added 10 catches for 86 yards

And McFadden added 328 yards through the air on 40 receptions.

50 rec. 414 yards.

Zeke had 77 for 567 last year.



I got stats and facts too.

Zeke had 2001 yards of total offense with a possitive effect on the games. In 10-6 playoffs team.

Where as McFadden and Randle were slightly less effective 1859 combined total yards on a bad 4-12 team.

I don't believe that a guy who is out of the NFL since that season and a guy who stayed injury prone and then produced 86 yards in 4 games once we got Zeke should be praised..

Plus both Randle and especially McFadden got yards when the game was over that year with Matt Cassell,weeden,and Moore at quarterback. With no threat of actually winning games.

Miss me with wanting a first round bust and nutjob back up who should never have been starting on an NFL team than Zeke.

McFadden and Randle were 3-1 with Romo. That's all you need to know about how effective your RBs need to be.

Randle and McFadden were more efficient with their touches in 2015 than Zeke was last year too, despite playing with Weeden, Cassel, etc for 75% of the season.
The stats you outlined showed that McFadden and
freaking Jospeh Randle had over 90% of the production as Zeke. At what cost? 10%. That's smart footballing.

Sorry the truth hurts

 

[BigD_95]

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I will disagree here. If he played that year and blew out his knee he wouldn't have signed the long term contract.

 

[Fletch]

Zeke is Jerry’s son. Let that fact marinate in your head. Zeke ain’t going anywhere.

 

[Johnny23]

@QuincyCarterEra It isn't good resource management when you have an an injury prone rb in McFadden who is due an injury every year and a complete moron who we cut in the middle of the season. To depend on them. In 2016 had we just gone with D-Mac we would have been screwed.

You're constantly turning over the roster at that position or just find someone good enough to keep there.

I don't agree that that's good footballin' to trust in a basket case and a mash unit member.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The numbers are what they are but Dak is not Brady and he’s not dropping back 40x per game like a Brees or Rodgers and winning. He needs Zeke.
We can debate all day but I’m guessing Jerry has his mind made up to pay Zeke regardless of whether we decide good idea or bad

Dak doesn't need Zeke. Not anymore. And I agree Jones will pay him.