I Feel Nothing

[TwoDeep3]

Have you compared Nascar fans/empty seats today versus 10 years ago? Fans whining IS a big deal. Think that is having an impact? Where do think the NFL money comes from?

An entertainment event where people drive making left turns is about as exciting as a sport where the guys wear shorts and cannot touch the ball with their hands, and require a ref to pull out a paint sample to reward a guy who is play acting like he was hurt.

I know where the money comes from.

Glad we both agree there is whining going on here.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I was at that game. It sucked.

Me too. It did suck. A Zona fan was screaming through thye first half near where I sat. Calling out the team and how they sucked.

He was escorted out. I think that might have been the only time the people in the endzone where I sat actually clapped.

 

[Sydla]

When Emmitt played they had feature backs. The league is now using these guys as plug and play.

The difference here is Zeke is the best back in the league. Period. He should not be viewed like the rabble in these run by committee. And the fact Jerry is willing to negotiate indicates this is the loop hole in the system for those rare players.

Grab a box is tissues. Because all this spite from the We dislike Zeke faction ignores he not just ther straw in the drink. He is the glass, ice and liquor as well.

Actually for me it's not about not liking Zeke. I don't like paying any high level TB. It wouldn't matter if we had Zeke or Gurley or Bell or Barkley or whomever.

 

[Sydla]

Your assessment of my rebuttal would have so much more meaning if I valued your opinion. I truly don't feel either way about what you think about my position. You number among the fan base that refuses to see this any way but emotionally. Hence the acting out.

So for the record, anyone that doesn't agree with your stance that they should pretty much pay Elliott what he wants is being emotional?

 

[TwoDeep3]

Actually for me it's not about not liking Zeke. I don't like paying any high level TB. It wouldn't matter if we had Zeke or Gurley or Bell or Barkley or whomever.

Then you will settle for a mediocre QB (and I am hoping not, but thus far that is what he has been in the passing game) and and more of the same with one and done in the play-offs, if they make the play-offs.

Simple as that.

Zeke is why the offense succeeds. He moves the chains. That is what this game is about. Moving the chains and staying ahead of the chains. Anything else is window dressing.

 

[JoeKing]

I feel nothing for a man who business is worth +$4B with employees making $M wanting a raise when the performance justifies a raise i.e. your business is worth $4B.

I feel nothing for a man who values himself at $M wanting more $M from the $B business that employees him i.e. his value help make the business worth $4B.

I feel everything for a Dallas Cowboys fan since 1968 that has not seen his favorite team worth $4B not play in a NFC Championship game since 1995, has not had consecutive 10+ win seasons since 1996, has not had a Head Coach with successful game management experience of back to back playoffs since 1999, and have watch the Dallas Cowboys completely go from world class winner to world class entertainer.

I feel nothing and I feel everything.

How nihilist of you.

 

[jazzcat22]

Me too. It did suck. A Zona fan was screaming through thye first half near where I sat. Calling out the team and how they sucked.

He was escorted out. I think that might have been the only time the people in the endzone where I sat actually clapped.

Hey I was in the end zone also. about the 5th row. Was there with my father in law. Well I was a separated from my wife at the time, about to get a divorce. But we still hung out for years after.

We went to a strip club to drown the sorrows of the loss and to get cheered up as well.

 

[Sydla]

Then you will settle for a mediocre QB (and I am hoping not, but thus far that is what he has been in the passing game) and and more of the same with one and done in the play-offs, if they make the play-offs.

Simple as that.

Zeke is why the offense succeeds. He moves the chains. That is what this game is about. Moving the chains and staying ahead of the chains. Anything else is window dressing.

Frankly, I don't like the concept of paying Dak what he might get either unless he proves something substantial this season.

The Cowboys are stuck unfortunately. They've built a team that might be forced to pay elite money to a position that shouldn't command elite money in order to cover for the fact their elite money making QB isn't an elite QB.

 

[uvaballa]

This thread title made me think of that song “I feel pretty”

 

[TwoDeep3]

So for the record, anyone that doesn't agree with your stance that they should pretty much pay Elliott what he wants is being emotional?

The rhetoric, and you have been using it, is symptomatic of the general angst of the fans now days.

If the way you framed my argument suits you, then so be it., But this is not the only issue where fans on this board go off emotionally without thinking it through.

I don't doubt you and they are fans. I used to be like you guys.

I grew up. This is an entertainment business with sub-contractors that walk away with a lifetime of pain for the money they sign on for. The league has manipulated this position to squeeze the payroll.

Yet if the contract was etched in stone like the Lincoln memorial, then why is the team not fining Zeke butt off?

Because for the rare talent at this position this is the escape clause.

There is no yardage to me made denigrating Zeke for reading the climate and using the clout he has at this time to ensure he has the max money.

And all this take less for the team is horse manure since there is not a single man, woman, and child that would not take the max money if offered. So that old dog won't hunt.

This is business, Sonny, not personal, as Michael Corleone said. So forgive me for not joining you are the burning of Zeke in effigy.

 

[Pantone282C]

Feelings...

So many fans these days are in touch with them, I blame the hippies of the 60’s for this...

Oh, I don't give a crap how you feel - signed, hippie from the 60s.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Hey I was in the end zone also. about the 5th row. Was there with my father in law. Well I was a separated from my wife at the time, about to get a divorce. But we still hung out for years after.

We went to a strip club to drown the sorrows of the loss and to get cheered up as well.

I sat second row from the top. That guy was on the top row about fifteen seats away. I could not decide if I was madder at the team or that jack arse.

 

[aikemirv]

An entertainment event where people drive making left turns is about as exciting as a sport where the guys wear shorts and cannot touch the ball with their hands, and require a ref to pull out a paint sample to reward a guy who is play acting like he was hurt.

I know where the money comes from.

Glad we both agree there is whining going on here.

Considering the amount of soccer fans around the world, as well as racing fans, your whining about the sports has little support! Same as your position here!

 

[TwoDeep3]

Frankly, I don't like the concept of paying Dak what he might get either unless he proves something substantial this season.

The Cowboys are stuck unfortunately. They've built a team that might be forced to pay elite money to a position that shouldn't command elite money in order to cover for the fact their elite money making QB isn't an elite QB.

And yet you have no say in what they get paid. I see that attitude as a Madden 2019 comment. Nothing personal, but fans worry about things they have no control over. The money has nothing to do with you or me.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Considering the amount of soccer fans around the world, as well as racing fans, your whining about the sports has little support! Same as your position here!

Nope. I am not actively seeking out a forum to push my narrative. You brought it up, so fair game. I'm also not big on that Olympic "sport" where the janitors sweep off the ice for a weird bolwijg ball as they play shuffleboard.

But I am all about Women's Volleyball.

 

[408Cowboy]

1) Not the case- not the NFLs fault that late round RB's have done well
2) Not the case - fans don't like Zeke because his off-field crap and they don't value the RB- not because he wants more money
3) Not remotely the same https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/arti...l_elliott_holdout_comparisons/s1_127_29787830
4) We understand the business and the salary cap. The players vote on the CBA - they can hold out as a group if they can stomach it - go cry me a river
5) Really the fans that pays hundreds for tickets hate them because they make a lot of money - what are you talking about - I hate this argument. I don't hate actors who make multi millions - it is just stupid

People will use his off field incidents as justification for anything. There's always a holier than thou crowd.

 

[aikemirv]

And yet you have no say in what they get paid. I see that attitude as a Madden 2019 comment. Nothing personal, but fans worry about things they have no control over. The money has nothing to do with you or me.

Again you said you know where the money comes from and then you say this.

You do realize that almost every single item you buy pays a bit of their salary right? If they don't advertise during an NFL game, the NFL will eventually feel that!

The money has everything to do with you and me!

 

[erod]

Don't flatter yourself. @cern is the only one to have stumped me on a word.

That's abstruse.

 

[408Cowboy]

That's abstruse.

I'm sure you'll figure it out

 

[Melonfeud]

* That's HILARIOUS ,,, as I've repeatedly " heard" that's exactly what yer' ol' lady sez'

 

[eromeopolk]

The value of the business is meaningless as there is a salary cap in place. If there were no cap, this would not be a discussion.

Zeke is making millions. More than I will ever make. Instead of wanting a raise, asking for a raise, showing you are worth that raise, and earning it he has flown to Mexico where I'm sure he is barely scraping by on his minimal salary. If he didn't like the money he was making he didn't have to play football, he didn't have to sign the contract, he could've done something else. He is not being payed less than others in his situation (rookie contract). He needs to stop crying and come play football before all the fans and his teammates turn on him.

As someone else said, it is all about the salary cap. If we were constantly on the floor of the cap, I would side with the players. But we are always close to the ceiling so he is just try to spread the money around to keep all the talent here.

Salary Cap has nothing to do with this at all. There is enough cap room to make Zeke, Dak, and Amari (until the Saints deal) the highest paid at each position and still have room. So I do not care if Jerry wins or the players win. Neither has done diddly poo since 1995. They all should take a pay cut for being inconsistently average.

Zeke is in the same position Emmitt Smith was in in 1992. Don't give me that bull that Emmitt did not have a contract. He had a contract that had an option to make the last year void hitting incentives. Zeke has outplayed his contract the same way. Emmitt performance was the same as Zeke both leading the league in rushing 2 out of the first 3 years.

The only difference is a Super Bowl which is the only difference I care about. Emmitt in his 3rd year gave the Cowboys a Super Bowl. Jerry has fooled around with Garrett as a Head Coach and fired a back to back Super Bowl HC after Emmitt's year 4. So the GM and Head Coach are to blame why there have been no NFC Championship game and Super Bowl since 1995. As Jerry said "It starts at the top" "... in charge of jocks and socks".

Well do you want a Super Bowl? Jerry did not waste time over paying Romo. Jerry resigned Troy Aikman with 1-2 years remaining on his deal before Emmitt during the 1992 season. After a holdout at the beginning of the 1992 he resigned Irvin. He resign Emmitt after holdout for a top RB money contract 2 games into the 1993 season. There was a salary cap then but the Head Coach was Jimmy Johnson. In May of 1992 Jerry fires Bob Ackles who had negotiated player contracts with Jimmy and Jerry from 1989. Jerry wanting to prove that 100 other coaches not named Jimmy Johnson could do what Johnson did and signed Deion Sanders to a cap killing contract that had his son Stephen physically handle his father. So since there is nothing to prove any more for Hall of Famer Jerry Jones, you have no need to make a deal even when deals can be made.

I feel nothing for Jerry Jones or the players. Sign them or don't sign them. Jason Garrett will still be the Head Coach figure head for Jerry Jones. The Dallas Cowboys have not been the Dallas Cowboys. They have not been the Dallas Cowboys that consistently challenge for a Super Bowl every year for many years now. It has been all about the ego of Jerry Jones. The Cowboys are what Jerry envisioned them to be..."relevant". Consistently relevant but not consistently winning like they use to be from 1966-1999.