Ezekiel Elliott real contract numbers

[aikemirv]

Yes, PFF WAR, WAR, Vegas, and EPA. All of them agree.

And they're all doing this towards our FO

I wonder what the DC's in the league would think about PFF's WAR metric. What a joke! "I'm going to gameplan against Zeke and make Dak look better than he is so the Cowboys can put 35 mill/yr out for an average QB" - "jokes on them"!

 

[Cowboys22]

From Todd Archer:

The Cowboys will save about $1.6 million in cap room this year on Elliott's new deal. Elliott will receive a signing bonus of $7.5 million and a base salary of $752,137 this year, according to a source. Elliott's old cap number was $7.940 million. His new cap number is $6.339 million.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27531272/elliott-cowboys-6-year-extension

I can’t believe that’s all the signing bonus he got. Players usually hold out for a huge signing bonus up front. I’m just surprised he did all that and is only going to pocket $8,25 million this season. He must be due some large roster bonuses in the coming years that the team can convert and spread out over the remaining life of the deal. I have no doubt this deal is structured in a manner that makes it very manageable for the team. I’m just very surprised Jerry didn’t have to cut him a $30 million + check today.

 

[ThatJerryKid]

I can’t believe that’s all the signing bonus he got. Players usually hold out for a huge signing bonus up front. I’m just surprised he did all that and is only going to pocket $8,25 million this season. He must be due some large roster bonuses in the coming years that the team can convert and spread out over the remaining life of the deal. I have no doubt this deal is structured in a manner that makes it very manageable for the team. I’m just very surprised Jerry didn’t have to cut him a $30 million + check today.

It's the new rage. Guarantee the base salary and eliminate the large signing bonus.

 

[Plankton]

I can’t believe that’s all the signing bonus he got. Players usually hold out for a huge signing bonus up front. I’m just surprised he did all that and is only going to pocket $8,25 million this season. He must be due some large roster bonuses in the coming years that the team can convert and spread out over the remaining life of the deal. I have no doubt this deal is structured in a manner that makes it very manageable for the team. I’m just very surprised Jerry didn’t have to cut him a $30 million + check today.

This is where the structure of the contract, and more specifically, the "guarantees" come into play. If any amount of the guarantees are tied to roster bonuses, it gives the Cowboys an out to avoid what is being reported as guaranteed income. This was the first detail about the contract that I saw - it will be very interesting to see the rest.

 

[Sydla]

We have a top three RB at the market rate. What a tragedy.

Market rate?

He blew the market rate out of the water when you look at his guaranteed money.

 

[Cowboys22]

It's the new rage. Guarantee the base salary and eliminate the large signing bonus.

I’m just surprised Zeke went for that over a massive check being handed him today.

 

[_sturt_]

Boiling it all down to guaranteed money/years:

- Gurley has been guaranteed to have $45m in his pocket for 2018-2020, 3 years... $15m/yr... after that, he has to earn everything else he gets (~$13m avg over 3 years) or be cut.

- Bell is guaranteed to have $27m in his pocket for 2019-2020, 2 years... $13.5m/yr... after that, he has to earn everything else he gets (~$14.25m avg over 2 years) or be cut.

Then, as far as can be understood right now based on speculation about the extension cited in this thread...

- Zeke has been guaranteed to have $50m in his pocket for 2021-2023, 3 years... $16.6m/yr... and after that he has to earn everything else he gets (~13.3m avg over 3 years) or be cut.

So, his deal exceeds both Gurley's and Bell's in terms of guaranteed commitment, and exceeds Gurley's but not Bell's in terms of possible post-guarantee commitment.

Count me as surprised, if the numbers and terms turn out to be the way we're currently understanding them, to the point that I'm persuaded Zeke almost had to have gotten practically everything he wanted in the end.

So much for "we're not setting the market."

 

[_sturt_]

Sure, but the 9 Million for 2020 was a complete lock to be exercised, guaranteeing that year was a distinction without a difference.

Yes. Hence the phrase... "not that it actually matters."

 

[BatteryPowered]

Since you can predict the future, why not play the lottery?

Couldn't the same thing be said to those who say Zeke will be a dominant back for the next 5 years?

 

[_sturt_]

This is where the structure of the contract, and more specifically, the "guarantees" come into play. If any amount of the guarantees are tied to roster bonuses, it gives the Cowboys an out to avoid what is being reported as guaranteed income. This was the first detail about the contract that I saw - it will be very interesting to see the rest.

It will, indeed, be very interesting.

But I'm one of those naturally inclined to think that the reason for so little upfront bonus is just that--ie, the suspicion from here is that the guarantees are not tied to roster bonues.

 

[InTheZone]

Emmitt played 13 years for the Cowboys. Zeke fulfilling the whole contract would still only have played 11 years.

hopefully those are a steady strong 11 years. Smith was beyond washed up in his final 3 years here.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Dude it doesn’t matter how much Zeke makes. He will not honor his contract, it’s not worth the paper it’s written on. In a few years if Zeke is still in the league and not suspended, he will hold out again. He is constant drama and a distraction.

how about you just enjoy him carrying the ball and gashing the Giants on Sunday and not worry about the future?

 

[Kaiser]

I wonder what the DC's in the league would think about PFF's WAR metric. What a joke! "I'm going to gameplan against Zeke and make Dak look better than he is so the Cowboys can put 35 mill/yr out for an average QB" - "jokes on them"!

If you follow the logic of a negative WAR, it means that if Dallas cut Zeke and he could be signed by any team in the NFL for the minimum, no team would sign him.

What a joke.

 

[windward]

That's true for the above average guys like Doug Martin you posted before. But Zeke is an elite back and there are plenty like Ladanian Tomlinson or AD who maintained that level into their late 20's. There are also guys like Curtin Martin that weren't elite but were top rushers into their 30's.

Longevity is the real issue with this contract but its not a lock that Zeke will fall off like a Doug Martin type.

Idk. I look at Zeke Elliott and say, if only we had a more efficient back like Austin Ekeler or Gus Edwards.

 

[DanTanna]

I did NOT WANT ZEKE BACK WEEK ONE!

My fantasy football opponent has Zeke on his team.

 

[Sydla]

It will be interesting to see the actual numbers and cap hits when the contract details hit Spotrac and/or Over the Cap.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Cry me a river britney

That was brilliant

 

[Dre11]

Dude it doesn’t matter how much Zeke makes. He will not honor his contract, it’s not worth the paper it’s written on. In a few years if Zeke is still in the league and not suspended, he will hold out again. He is constant drama and a distraction.

Only that he may not be the same back and easier to cut.

 

[Kaiser]

Idk. I look at Zeke Elliott and say, if only we had a more efficient back like Austin Ekeler or Gus Edwards.

If you use the search function, you can jump into that 25 page thread were the OP said Zeke "can't break long runs".

 

[Dre11]

That is if he's still happy after Barkley signs his new deal in NY. He can apparently just not show up and get rewarded.

He better still be a good back.