Ezekiel Elliott real contract numbers

[JBell]

The market rate? We blew the market out of the water. And the market shouldnt have even been at that bar to begin with.

You're cool with aollcating 8%+ of our CAP to a guy good for 20% of one win over an average player at his position over an entire season? I agree with you, that is an absolute tragedy.

At least he's a good guy that never gets in trouble and helps out.... oh wait nevermind.

I'm all for analytics, but if Zeke's WAR is negative, they clearly haven't perfected the formula yet for football. That's a joke.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

PFF war metric

Yes, PFF WAR, WAR, Vegas, and EPA. All of them agree.

And they're all doing this towards our FO

 

[Kaiser]

Now you know PFF has him as the 20-30th best back in the league.

I see you are the one guy that read all of Taruk Mato's seven page OP a few weeks ago!

 

[_sturt_]

Technically, $13m is not guaranteed for this and next season... rather, $3.8m is guaranteed... not that it actually matters.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Who needs a six pack when you can carry around a keg.

 

[Brax]

The market rate? We blew the market out of the water. And the market shouldnt have even been at that bar to begin with.

You're cool with aollcating 8%+ of our CAP to a guy good for 20% of one win over an average player at his position over an entire season? I agree with you, that is an absolute tragedy.

At least he's a good guy that never gets in trouble and helps out.... oh wait nevermind.

Yet you have no problem paying Dak $35 million a year, strange how this works, top 2 RB bad to pay, tier 3, 15 - 17 QB pay him top $$$, why is that????

 

[Kaiser]

Technically, $13m is not guaranteed for this and next season... rather, $3.8m is guaranteed... not that it actually matters.

Sure, but the 9 Million for 2020 was a complete lock to be exercised, guaranteeing that year was a distinction without a difference.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I'm all for analytics, but if Zeke's WAR is negative, they clearly haven't perfected the formula yet for football. That's a joke.

I would agree if Zeke weren't so ineffecient in just about every manner. Which wasnt all Zeke's fault.

When you use a bellcow back they wear down, just like Zeke does, and they become less effective. If you dont use them properly, like Linehan, they become less effective. If you make a player do stuff that isnt within his strengths, such as receiving, they become less effective. If you call incorrect plays at the incorrect times, like Linehan, they become less effective.

Should Zeke be better this year? Yes unless Moore is somehow more incompetent than Linehan. But that's the beauty of RBs you don't invest market shattering money into them, you invest in their coaches, their playcallers, and their surrounding talent and that's what drives 90% of a RBs effectiveness.

 

[BrassCowboy]

He looks fat, does not look like he has been training anything but his gut being fed.

I was like "man, what the hell he been doing but eating..." Lol. Nice one

 

[aria]

Fascinating to read the details of one of the worst contracts in Cowboys history and to be able to say “I was 40 years old” in 20 years when it still rings true is a sad thought.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Sure, but the 9 Million for 2020 was a complete lock to be exercised, guaranteeing that year was a distinction without a difference.

Yes, but we could have got out from under him or traded him with no CAP ramifications so we really did fully guarantee him for four additional years. Wow.

 

[jazzcat22]

Fascinating to read the details of one of the worst contracts in Cowboys history and to be able to say “I was 40 years old” in 20 years when it still rings true is a sad thought.

In 5 years we can look back at this post and tell you how wrong you were, again.

 

[Kaiser]

When you use a bellcow back they wear down, just like Zeke does, and they become less effective. If you dont use them properly, like Linehan, they become less effective. If you make a player do stuff that isnt within his strengths, such as receiving, they become less effective. If you call incorrect plays at the incorrect times, like Linehan, they become less effective.

That's true for the above average guys like Doug Martin you posted before. But Zeke is an elite back and there are plenty like Ladanian Tomlinson or AD who maintained that level into their late 20's. There are also guys like Curtin Martin that weren't elite but were top rushers into their 30's.

Longevity is the real issue with this contract but its not a lock that Zeke will fall off like a Doug Martin type.

 

[Plankton]

From Todd Archer:

The Cowboys will save about $1.6 million in cap room this year on Elliott's new deal. Elliott will receive a signing bonus of $7.5 million and a base salary of $752,137 this year, according to a source. Elliott's old cap number was $7.940 million. His new cap number is $6.339 million.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27531272/elliott-cowboys-6-year-extension

 

[Kaiser]

Yes, but we could have got out from under him or traded him with no CAP ramifications so we really did fully guarantee him for four additional years. Wow.

Does Joseph Randle make parole before that? Or is the plan to drop another 1st round pick on a Felix Jones?

 

[aikemirv]

Yes, PFF WAR, WAR, Vegas, and EPA. All of them agree.

And they're all doing this towards our FO

You mean Vegas for this week, when he just showed up today and nobody knows how much or if he will play.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

That's true for the above average guys like Doug Martin you posted before. But Zeke is an elite back and there are plenty like Ladanian Tomlinson or AD who maintained that level into their late 20's. There are also guys like Curtin Martin that weren't elite but were top rushers into their 30's.

Longevity is the real issue with this contract but its not a lock that Zeke will fall off like a Doug Martin type.

What I posted has nothing to do with longevity. That was related to last year... when Zeke was 23. It was true for whichever guys you posted, but it's also true for Zeke.

But RB longevity also has nothing to do with age, it's all about touches and style of play.

 

[RichmondFan]

5 years - $63 million guaranteed. 28 years old. Nothing guaranteed after 5 years. They can keep paying him $14 million per year after 5 years (a bargain if he is still a top RB). And they can cut him after 5 years at no impact to the cap. This is a brilliant deal for both sides. Congrats to us Cowboys fans!!!

How much did Zeek get upfront? How much is the signing bonus?

 

[Kaiser]

What I posted has nothing to do with longevity. That was related to last year... when Zeke was 23. It was true for whichever guys you posted, but it's also true for Zeke.

But RB longevity also has nothing to do with age, it's all about touches and style of play.

Yeah, it was awful when Zeke was so worn down last year that he lead the NFL in rushing by 100 yards.

 

[Sydla]

The best RB in football is averaging $12.6 million per year over the next 5 years. It's the perfect deal for both sides. Keeps our young core together for the next 5 years.

The AAV doesn’t matter.