The straw that will break the camel's back

[DFWJC]

If this thread is based on the premise that Prescott is not a Tier 1 QB - then it absolutely is a Dak Prescott thread.

There aren't 5 quarterbacks in the league better than him right now.

Based on running up stats on a once in a decade poor schedule for pass defenses?
Hes playing well, but he is most certainly is not top 5 in the league

His current QB rating is 11th, fwiw. Not it means everything at all, but I tend to put him in that range.

Jmo
You're entitled to yours

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Based on running up stats on a once in a decade poor schedule for pass defenses?
Hes playing well, but he is most certainly is not top 5 in the league

Jmo
You're entitled to yours

Do you use the same metrics for the great Josh Allen? Tom Brady?

 

[DFWJC]

Do you use the same metrics for the great Josh Allen? Tom Brady?

I watch the games and make my judgements based on the longer term play and the supporting cast....and the opposition.

Not sure Ive ever heard “the great Josh Allen” mentioned before


He’s improving, but he has a long ways to go.

Anyway, if you think Dak is top 5, good for you.

 

[beware_d-ware]

the drama will continue long after he is signed lol.Its cowboys fans we know drama well

I'm considering leaving this forum after he gets resigned. Being dead serious

You know how we've had a Zeke drama thread on here every single day for the past 6 months? It's going to be the same thing with Dak, but amplified.

Literally every missed passed: "$35 million dollars for that!"
Literally every interception: "Tank and draft Trevor Lawrence!"
Literally every lost game: "Is Dak the answer? Jerry is stupid, he set this franchise back years by paying DAK!"
Literally every game he wins: "Dak is good, but he's overpaid! Mahomes/Lamar/Rodgers/whoever is better!"
Literally every game the Eagles win: "We should have got Wentz!"

I can't deal with that every single day. Probably just going to move on over to r/cowboys and post more there.

 

[BoysForLife]

Ware wasn't worth his contract anymore.

But then had 18 sacks and 25 tackles for loss and was voted to Pro Bowl the 2 years in Denver after he left.
And was a key part of A Super Bowl Run.

I can't remember what he was asking but it must have been ridiculously high to be considered "too much".

 

[BoysForLife]

All credibility went out the window when he said that Byron Jones is better at his position than Dak is at his. When was the last time you saw Jones make a play? One of his 2 interceptions was off a tipped pass. He is being abused by rookie WRs.

I get it, many don't like Dak, but he has played very well all season, in spite of a running game that has gone from physical to finesse. Dak is getting the Romo treatment. Our QBs are not allowed to have a bad game, ever. It seems like the usual bunch are rooting against our own QB. Dak is the least of our problems. There are bigger issues with our over rated defense, our special teams are horrible, and our coaching is a disadvantage.

We get it, some of you have a deep hate for Dak, but that doesn't mean you have to start numerous posts that say the same thing and hijack others. Get over it, he's the QB and will continue to be so.

PFF had Jones ranked 7th out of 131 corners in the league in 2018.

Heading into this year, they had Dak ranked 17th out of 32 starting QB's in the league.

if you want to make the argument that Dak has played better this year than Byron has in the first 12 games of 2019, I might be willing to entertain that even if I don't wholeheartedly agree. Byron has probably underperformed to expectations thus far this year. I won't argue that.
But saying a guy with a well though out post lost "all credibility" because he said something that highly paid NFL scouts and analysts who watch football all day, every day, for a living, agreed with?

Sorry, not buying it.

As for the bold, just because me and many others don't agree that Dak is the best option for our team at quarterback, doesn't mean we have a "deep hate" for the guy. We just want someone else to be our QB because we think that's better for the team.

And leveling that charge at Couch Coach, of all people, is insane. Say what you want about CC, but he's not a guy who's given in any way, shape, or form, to agendas and "hijacking" threads. Far from it. GTF over yourself if you're going to make that charge. Not even close to reality, especially with regards to the guy who started this thread.

 

[BoysForLife]

This years Dak with a reliable defense and special teams, would have this team with 10 wins right now.

And yet, our defense is currently top 8in the NFL both in yards allowed and also in points allowed.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...y=GAME_STATS&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG

Not sure how "unreliable" you can be, if you are top 8 in both categories.....

But then again, I'm sure there's some reasonable explanation as to how this defense has failed Dak over and over again, while maintaining top 10 rankings in both points and yards allowed......

 

[fivetwos]

You're all forgetting one thing....its way easier to PRETEND you have a franchise QB than actually find one.

That said, 4 has improved greatly, and a team can win with him, but he cant make up for an overall lack of talent the way Rodgers or Brees can. Wilson also. Brady of course to a lesser extent.

Dallas' window to win with him has probably closed.

 

[BoysForLife]

Which great defenses did he struggle against? He's played well in every game but NE. There's nothing he can do about the porous defense, the stupid in game decisions by Garrett, the special teams, the defense not getting turnovers, and his WRs dropping passes. Not to mention the untimely holding, false starts and tripping penalties. We've lost at least 3 games due to Garrett and special teams alone. Is that Dak's fault?

Hint:

The 9 and 10 point outputs against NE and New Orleans should be a good indicator.
Also scored 10 points less than what Buffalo allows, on average.

Come on man:

We get 14 points in both the NE and the NO games, and we're 8-4 right now instead of 6-6.
And you're complaining about porous defense?

Our defense is 8th in the league in yards and points.
You are seeing what you *want* to believe. Not reality.

Your agenda has clouded your vision. Sad, but true.

 

[eromeopolk]

This is not a Dak Prescott thread, it's just the opposite. This is about what to do instead of signing him to a long term deal.

There are some that want to tag him, pay him 30M for one season and draft a QB, I do not. The reason being you are still going to have to keep paying a lot of money to surround him with talent. I think Byron Jones is better at his position than Prescott is at his and more critical to keep. There are other options for a more affordable QB like maybe Bridgewater if Brees doesn't retire.

This team is unusual in that they have 4 OL in the top 6 paid at their position, the top paid RB and 3/4 DE and as a group they are not delivering according to their cap hits. They're not bad, just not that good.

Prescott is not bad either just not as good as the Tier 1 QBs with GB, NO and SEA and questionable whether he's as good as the one in SF. Do we want to make the same mistake that it looks like LAR and PHL have made?

It has become apparent to me that to be a true contender year after year, a team has to have that Tier 1 QB. Dak Prescott is not that guy and I think the Cowboys need to go as high as they can to get one that might be that guy and if not, go back again until they get him.

There is a chance the team has a new HC and we do not know what other changes that will bring about but maybe they do get Riley for the QB development but that would necessitate a new QB. This QB is not consistently as accurate as his last 3 QB's at OU.

Like I said, this is not about Prescott and whether he's deserving of a 35M contract, it's whether that should happen with this team and I say no for the reasons above. If this team is going to pay a QB top dollar, they need one that will not necessitate that being required of too many other players on offense. And we're looking at letting our most consistent player on the D walk to keep a QB and/or WR paid at the top tier level. This is an incomplete defense and will get worse without Jones.

OK, again, not about Prescott, this is about the idea of trying to get that future Tier 1 QB which would probably mean a couple of steps back to take some forward but steps I believe necessary to reach the destination.

13-3, 9-7, 10-6, and now 6-6 winning 2 NFC East Championships with a one game lead on a 3rd in 4 years. Prescott is doing all this with Jason Garrett as his Head Coach, Scott Linehan and Boy Genius as his OC. Do you know what your record would be without the Dak Attack? Dak is 26 years old. Start over at QB and let go a winning QB is franchise suicide unless you have a Mahomes or Kapernick already on your roster developing...You do not.

Pay the man, continue to draft defense, OL, daft a QB in 2021, hire Urban Meyer or Chris Petersen as HC, and get you championship. Urban won with Chris Leak, Tim Tebow, Alex Smith, PJ Barrett, Braxton Miller, Cardale Jones, and Dwayne Haskins at QB. Chris Petersen won with Boy Genius at QB. I know they can win a championship with a winner like Prescott.

 

[CF74]

Who?
Dak, or Bridgewater?

or both.....

Bridgewater

 

[BoysForLife]

Bridgewater

I would agree that I don't think Bridgewater is a world beater but Minnesota was 17-11 the two years he started there and Payton isn't on their staff....

 

[CF74]

I would agree that I don't think Bridgewater is a world beater but Minnesota was 17-11 the two years he started there and Payton isn't on their staff....

That was before he got injured

 

[BoysForLife]

That was before he got injured

Valid point

Knee is fully healed though isn’t it?

 

[jaythecowboy]

Bridgewater will end up getting at least $23 million a yea .

 

[Sarge]

The fans are following and discussing the drama created by those parties involved in the negotiations.

It’s very typical for this type of discussions to follow these type of situations. All it will take for them to end the drama is signing a contract which both parties could end at any time.

The longer they go without an agreement the longer the drama. While the fans certainly can add to the drama I wouldn't describe them as creating it.

Nope. There are many many players throughout the NFL playing for contracts. Not to mention the fact you have NO CLUE what Jerry has done to wrap this up. Many here assume it’s on Jerry for not getting it done. That is pure speculation. Again, the drama is stirred up by the fans in discussions like this one. No discussions by the fans, there is no drama.

 

[Retro88]

I really dont understand everyone's fascination with Bridgewater. He's not the same QB as he was pre injury. Right now you would be letting Dak walk who is better than TB to pay a guy that will be getting atleast what Brissett money. You really want to pay him 15 mil? If the goal is to just make the playoffs then I guess let's save the money. You want to win a super bowl? We're closer to that with Dak. Not to mention that he can get better. Romo did.

Even if you absolutely dont believe Dak is the guy then what's the point of TB? He's not gonna get us there but he will get us out of the top of the draft order.

Even drafting a QB has its questions. No guarentee we wont draft a bust. You have faith in our front office to draft a QB? Remember we wanted not just Paxton Lynch but Connor Cook as well. What are they doing these days?

 

[Vegas_Cowboy]

I want him to be GREAT as the Star above all.
He continuously breaks our hearts!!!!

To be fair, he hit that worm right in the chest.

 

[Cmac]

Case Keenum coming next year?

 

[Gaede]

I used to think this was something you guys had against Dak. Some ridicous intangible quality that you all despised in dak despite the proof he puts on the field.

And I still do. Dak isn't even allowed one bad pass or bad game. He's the frigging passing leader in the NFL and that's not even a worthy enough accomplishment for you all.

But hey, let's return to the days of Chad Hutchinson and Drew Henson right? Cause they fit the prorotype?