The reason Moore was kept

Typhus · Feb 8, 2020

Diehardblues said:
There’s several lineman I’d call big and fat. Would you like Big Fat Mikey better?

And if you can’t see how I could come up with Fat out of Big then I don’t know what to tell ya.

Damn, who really cares, and Im not aiming that arrow at you, but everyone, anyone that really cares about Fat Mike vs Big Mike,, damn offseason.

Runwildboys · Feb 8, 2020

cern said:
Because a good pun is it's own reword.

See this @Diehardblues ? This is a pun....and the reason not to. :muttley:

cern · Feb 8, 2020

Buzzbait said:
Obviously one's "senior" status does not prevent one from participating in childish name calling.

it is a myth to believe we acquire wisdom as we get older. smart older people were smart when they were young. the not so smart were always the not so smart.

cern · Feb 8, 2020

Runwildboys said:
See this @Diehardblues ? This is a pun....and the reason not to.

lmao. "and the reason not to."

Diehardblues · Feb 8, 2020

Runwildboys said:
See this @Diehardblues ? This is a pun....and the reason not to.

It’s fun getting nasty sometimes. Ha

Diehardblues · Feb 8, 2020

cern said:
it is a myth to believe we acquire wisdom as we get older. smart older people were smart when they were young. the not so smart were always the not so smart.

That’s the beauty of Senior living. We can lose or at least relax our normal social filter saying what we please . Shoot, I can even get away with farting in public now. Lol

kskboys · Feb 8, 2020

cern said:
Because a good pun is it's own reword.

Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Fonz · Feb 8, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Yes, but Coach would have ya believe it was McCarthy who was behind bringing Moore back.

MM wanted the job so bad he would have tried to do the Macarena backward.
At end of the season these videos of him starting to pop out from nowhere (targeting JJ) by saying I do love NFL's analytics and second i am big fan of Km which he might to a degree.
He might be a good coach and i hope he does well for us but his in-game management was a disaster just ask Arron Rodgers .

Number1 · Feb 8, 2020

CouchCoach said:
The reason Moore was kept
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maybe because as a rookie OC he led the NFL in yards ... you know a good offensive coach

CouchCoach · Feb 8, 2020

cern said:
it is a myth to believe we acquire wisdom as we get older. smart older people were smart when they were young. the not so smart were always the not so smart.

It is the same applied to experience. Doing something for a long time doesn't necessarily make someone better at it. The definition of insanity is lived out every second of every day.

CouchCoach · Feb 8, 2020

Diehardblues said:
My hunch is Football Idiot clearly by the links I provided and local media reports I read was influencing Moore to be part of the new staff.

Moore apparently from all the reports I’ve seen FM liked him. At least that’s how he has portrayed it. I’m not disputing FM liked Moores ability.

And “Ordered” is a strong word. I’d say strong influence or preference from Jerry. I think FM realizes there are some concessions that have to be made with Jerry.

I think every HC realizes there are concessions to be made with every owner. They want the boss to be happy.

It is your theory that Booger wants him there so when he has to fire McC, he's got Moore in place. Does Booger strike you as the kind of guy that plays the game that way or is he an all in guy? Moore's not his safety net because he doesn't have the experience and Booger just learned a very hard lesson about coaches that lack experience.

Considering how this hiring went down, Booger is out there on this one. He was so sold on McC, that he didn't even bother to interview others and locked him up so he couldn't go to the Giants. He sent the message, loud and clear, in that 12 hour interview culminating in an offer and his positivity in that pc. He thinks he has scored, he doesn't need to influence his HC into his hires.

You either believe McC when he said he'd been watching the rookie OC and liked what he'd seen or he felt obligated to hire him. I believe him. Now, does that make Booger sad that he wants Moore as his OC? Of course not so I am not saying that doesn't fit in here somewhere but I believe he's there for the QB as the liaison and voice in his ear.

The bottom line is Prescott responded to Moore better than he has any other coach, why would McC not want that guy? It's not like he's a Jones and a must hire. And the only reason Booger wanted Moore was because of all the light shining on him. Not one negative thing has been mentioned about him, not one.

Brax · Feb 8, 2020

CATCH17 said:
100%...

There was rumors from Jay Glazer that the team wanted to keep the entire offensive staff.. They actually still believed in those guys.

So they hired McCarthy...

Well McCarthy did not sound like a guy who was going to give up playcalling before he was hired or during his Press conference while being hired.

Then all of a sudden Kellen Moore was named the playcaller for this upcoming season.

IMO, he was most likely force on MM and they sold him on the idea of being a walk around guy.

I hate it. Absolutely hate it. You don't hire Mike McCarthy and not let him call plays.

I want no part of anything Linehan or Garrett approved of offensively around this team.

Sorry that is what you are going see again unless it get’s really bad.

Redball Express · Feb 8, 2020

CouchCoach said:
You can put the talk about Prescott going elsewhere to rest, he's staying with the Cowboys. Big Mike would not have hired Moore if they were even thinking of letting him walk.

Moore is Big Mike's conduit to the QB in this offense transition. He will be keeping some of the terminology to make it smoother but he saw the QB improve under Moore and sees the connection between the two.

And hiring Moore was Big Mike's call, he wasn't coerced into anything. Moore was already talking to the Huskies about the OC job as all of the coaching staff had been allowed to interview.

He chose Moore and he also chose Prescott, which also helped Moore choose the Cowboys over college.

Kellen Moore is Big Mike's Zimmer. Parcells saw something in Zimmer, even though he was transitioning the defense. Big Mike was a Moore fan before he was offered the job and might have even hired him if he'd taken a different job.

I think we all need to think when is the last time we saw a first year OC do that? They stumble and fall and while it wasn't perfect, look at the difference from a veteran OC in his first year.

I do believe Big Mike will be in the cockpit as the instructor and Moore will not be flying solo and he probably doesn't want to out of the gate. I also think Moore is going to add some pizazz to Big Mike's version of the WCO. Two good offensive minds can create synergy.

I really like the idea of keeping him but make no mistake about it, this was the bolt locking on the door that Prescott was being kept. And he will be signed, even if he's tagged initially to buy more time. They're not going to give a new HC and his OC a QB on a one year with a new offense. Hiring Big Mike wasn't the clue to that, hiring Kellen Moore was.

I think keeping Moore was more about keeping the first year less chaotic.

This all went so quickly with hiring him. And initially McCarthy said he was calling plays.

Then a week later, he announced Moore to stay.

MM knew Dallas was intending to sign Dak before he even came to Dallas.

I thought McCarthy got to Dallas and then realized how different it would be with having ownership with the Jones vs. how it was in GB.

In GB, it was run by a Board of Directors with McCarthy acting as a defacto GM.

In Dallas it didn't work like that. McCarthy also realized the coaches had to be assembled from practically scratch.

And the roster was heavy with pending needs to be evaluated for FA and replaced or resigned.

I think McCarthy decided his plate was full and Moore had enough control of the offense that in this first season..

McCarthy undertaking offensive playcalling and game planning plus other duties was going to be too much first year.

Moore stays..at least for now. Since most of the assistant coaches are now gone..

Moore has alot to learn about his fellow coaches and we do not know if he is going to work well with the new faces yet.

I had not heard the length of Moore's new deal. That would tell us alot about what Dallas is planning with him.

So I think we need to see 2020 play out before we know.

Just my thoughts.

kskboys · Feb 8, 2020

CouchCoach said:
It is the same applied to experience. Doing something for a long time doesn't necessarily make someone better at it. The definition of insanity is lived out every second of every day.

W/ this org owning a unique specialization in that area!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Diehardblues · Feb 8, 2020

CouchCoach said:
I think every HC realizes there are concessions to be made with every owner. They want the boss to be happy.

It is your theory that Booger wants him there so when he has to fire McC, he's got Moore in place. Does Booger strike you as the kind of guy that plays the game that way or is he an all in guy? Moore's not his safety net because he doesn't have the experience and Booger just learned a very hard lesson about coaches that lack experience.

Considering how this hiring went down, Booger is out there on this one. He was so sold on McC, that he didn't even bother to interview others and locked him up so he couldn't go to the Giants. He sent the message, loud and clear, in that 12 hour interview culminating in an offer and his positivity in that pc. He thinks he has scored, he doesn't need to influence his HC into his hires.

You either believe McC when he said he'd been watching the rookie OC and liked what he'd seen or he felt obligated to hire him. I believe him. Now, does that make Booger sad that he wants Moore as his OC? Of course not so I am not saying that doesn't fit in here somewhere but I believe he's there for the QB as the liaison and voice in his ear.

The bottom line is Prescott responded to Moore better than he has any other coach, why would McC not want that guy? It's not like he's a Jones and a must hire. And the only reason Booger wanted Moore was because of all the light shining on him. Not one negative thing has been mentioned about him, not one.

Who knows what will happen if Fat Mikey disappoints. Moore could be the guy. He’s certainly the only one Jerry is comfortable on this staff. But no I’m not saying that.

And while I agree Moore was good for Dak to stay on I see the influence from Jerry as the over riding factor since he publicly acknowledged. What exactly was FM to say?

He hadn’t been offered a HC anywhere else yet. He knew Jerry wanted to make a quick hire. Jerry wanted to make a popular hire to silence the critics. Everyone knew Jerry wanted Dak and Moore.

If Fat Mikey wanted to impress he could woo Jerry with admiration. So much that they slobbered over it with a sleep over.

Naive if you think otherwise IMO. I really don’t see what’s wrong with Jerry having this one stipulation while agreeing on the rest of FM decisions.

Fat Mikey still has more say than anyone since Parcells it appears. We shall see. It doesn’t really matter because the main reason we wanted a better HC was on Game Day. The rest will still be infiltrated and meddled with by Jethro and Son.

And Jerry is All In until he’s not. He swings with public opinion. We’ve seen several examples from Romo to Garrett.

Buzzbait · Feb 9, 2020

Diehardblues said:
I’ll ask you what I’ve asked others. Why is this particular HC protected?

Diehard I've personally seen you make excuses for Jason Garrett for years despite his sub-par coaching performance.
Mike McCarthy comes to Dallas with a far better coaching record than Garrett and has yet to coach a single day for the Cowboys, so he's done nothing to be deserving of your derisive name calling.

A couple years down the road if his coaching looks as impotent as Garrett's, then that will be a different matter. But until such time, I believe he deserves more respect than that, plus a chance to show what he can do.

big dog cowboy · Feb 9, 2020

Buzzbait said:
Diehard I've personally seen you make excuses for Jason Garrett for years despite his sub-par coaching performance.
Mike McCarthy comes to Dallas with a far better coaching record than Garrett and has yet to coach a single day for the Cowboys, so he's done nothing to be deserving of your derisive name calling.

A couple years down the road if his coaching looks as impotent as Garrett's, then that will be a different matter. But until such time, I believe he deserves more respect than that, plus a chance to show what he can do.

GORICO · Feb 9, 2020

CouchCoach said:
You can put the talk about Prescott going elsewhere to rest, he's staying with the Cowboys. Big Mike would not have hired Moore if they were even thinking of letting him walk.

Moore is Big Mike's conduit to the QB in this offense transition. He will be keeping some of the terminology to make it smoother but he saw the QB improve under Moore and sees the connection between the two.

And hiring Moore was Big Mike's call, he wasn't coerced into anything. Moore was already talking to the Huskies about the OC job as all of the coaching staff had been allowed to interview.

He chose Moore and he also chose Prescott, which also helped Moore choose the Cowboys over college.

Kellen Moore is Big Mike's Zimmer. Parcells saw something in Zimmer, even though he was transitioning the defense. Big Mike was a Moore fan before he was offered the job and might have even hired him if he'd taken a different job.

I think we all need to think when is the last time we saw a first year OC do that? They stumble and fall and while it wasn't perfect, look at the difference from a veteran OC in his first year.

I do believe Big Mike will be in the cockpit as the instructor and Moore will not be flying solo and he probably doesn't want to out of the gate. I also think Moore is going to add some pizazz to Big Mike's version of the WCO. Two good offensive minds can create synergy.

I really like the idea of keeping him but make no mistake about it, this was the bolt locking on the door that Prescott was being kept. And he will be signed, even if he's tagged initially to buy more time. They're not going to give a new HC and his OC a QB on a one year with a new offense. Hiring Big Mike wasn't the clue to that, hiring Kellen Moore was.

CC--- i bet "Otis" is a bit ticked off Dak has not signed contract yet?

Brax · Feb 9, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Unbelievable fans are so sensitive about the Pun.

I haven’t criticized his coaching ability. I’ve actually called it a good hire. You call him Big Mike. I call him Fat Mikey. Get over it. It’s just a fan forum. Lol

Big Mike is the politically correct way, fat is a no no word. But in all seriousness fat isn't a pun it is a derogatory remark based on the view of a persons weight. You have a tough road to defend it's use.
"a joke exploiting the different possible meanings of a word or the fact that there are words which sound alike but have different meanings." Sorry fat doesn't make it

Brax · Feb 9, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Big and fat are definitely similar.

Stop trying to spin it, your feeling are still hurt from Jason's firing. Give the guy a chance before you start with the degrading terms.

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