Twitter: Stephen Jones paying quarterbacks too much ‘decreases your chances to win’

Bullflop said:

Glad to hear you're comfortable with it but that doesn't mean everyone is or should be. We'll see what happens.

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No, I would rather have it settled. But I have little doubt it will get done before TC.

ShortRound131 said:

I got a feeling this is gonna turn into Kirk Cousins.

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Yep

the Dalton signing gave them much needed leverage


They had no leverage with Zeke (a rookie pollard? Plus they saw how terrible we were without him in 17)

They had no leverage with Tank, plus he had already played a season on the tag (Dorance Armstrong? Tyrone Crawford)

They had no leverage with Cooper plus they gave up a first rounder on him the previous year (Michael Gallup and nothing else behind him... They probably let him go if the draft was before free agency)

Now they have an offense with a slew of weapons and a qb-guru head coach. Dak stans are in for a rude awakening if ol boy doesnt humble himself and lower his demands

CowboyRoy said:

No, I would rather have it settled. But I have little doubt it will get done before TC.

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I would only hope that if Dak plays under the tag and manages to redeem himself, better things will come of it. That wouldn't be a bad outcome.

The only contract they got screwed on was the Zeke deal, only because they signed him two years before he was an Ufa and he was holding out of tc. Which isn't that bad outside the fact his position is a high turnover spot.
Even then its setup to get out of in 2-3 years without much sting
Lawrence for two years was a complete 2 way DE.

He didn't reset the edge market. He had a down year following but the deal based off prior work and age etc wasn't bad.

Coopers deal is basically a 2 year 40 mil deal with team options the remaing 3 years. Easy out if he becomes inconsistent.

He knows that Dak isn't good enough to justify what he's asking for.

Bullflop said:

I would only hope that if Dak plays under the tag and manages to redeem himself, better things will come of it. That wouldn't be a bad outcome.

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Redeem himself from what?

CowboyRoy said:

Redeem himself from what?

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Redeem himself from any doubt that the FO has or the fans have that he's unworthy of what he's asking.

He would have proven to all that a generous contract should deservedly be granted. It'd be a good thing.

Section446 said:

He knows that Dak isn't good enough to justify what he's asking for.

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What is he asking for?

Bullflop said:

Redeem himself from any doubts that the FO has or the fans have that he's unworthy of what he's asking. He would have proven that a generous contract would deservedly granted.

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He just came off the best season of his young 4 year career. 5000 yards and 33 total TD's. Offense was ranked #1 in the NFL and scored 27 points a game.

That was with Garrett as HC and the defense helping out little. He has proven it.

CowboyRoy said:

What is he asking for?

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Whether it's years or dollars, apparently it's more/less than the Cowboys are willing to settle for or the deal would have been done by now.

We're entering an era where there are plenty of average to good QB's out there and you can plug-and-play one whether it's a rookie or a veteran. There's just no point in paying a QB top money unless you're absolutely sure that he is a franchise QB. You can't sacrifice 21 other positions to overpay your QB, it just doesn't work.

darthseinfeld said:

From what Im to understand the money is agreed upon. Its the years 4 VS 5. They want 5. I think 4 is better anyways. Dak is tied to McCarthy. McCarthy's deal is 5 years, but coaches are usually fired the year before their contract is up if they arent going to be kept. If we reach point, then it is time for a rebuild and Prescott will be entering his 30's. At which point he comes off your books when you are hiring a new HC

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Yeah they are at 34-36M, none of the cap hits would be over 13% unless the cap next year is severely depressed. Looking at what the yearly breakdown would be I don’t see why the team doesn’t just do the 4 year deal. Must be more to it.

CowboyRoy said:

He just came off the best season of his young 4 year career. 5000 yards and 33 total TD's. Offense was ranked #1 in the NFL and scored 27 points a game.

That was with Garrett as HC and the defense helping out little. He has proven it.

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To you, maybe so but there are many fans that aren't convinced of that.

Obviously, the Dallas FO isn't totally convinced, either, or it'd be settled.

817Gill said:

Yeah they are at 34-36M, none of the cap hits would be over 13% unless the cap next year is severely depressed. Looking at what the yearly breakdown would be I don’t see why the team doesn’t just do the 4 year deal. Must be more to it.

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I think it has something to do with cap flexibility.

maybe Dak should have been one of the first to sign than the last.

CowboyRoy said:

3 seasons of paying a RB 15 million 2 years before his contract was up? I would say that's about the worst negotiation I have ever seen.

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He has never been 15M a year. He won’t be until 2022, which is the same year we can cut him. The team won that deal. He had an 8M hit last year, 10M this year, and 12M next year. His contract hasn’t prohibited us from making any FA moves we would’ve other wise made. We have over 10M in cap and once Dak signs it’ll be upwards of 15M. His contract hasn’t hindered us at all up to this point.

Also CMac just signed and you got Kamara, Cook, and Barkley coming up. Zeke will be the 6th highest back in no time.

817Gill said:

He has never been 15M a year. He won’t be until 2022, which is the same year we can cut him. The team won that deal. He had an 8M hit last year, 10M this year, and 12M next year. His contract hasn’t prohibited us from making any FA moves we would’ve other wise made. We have over 10M in cap and once Dak signs it’ll be upwards of 15M. His contract hasn’t hindered us at all up to this point.

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And I think that's why the Cowboys want a longer deal for Dak, you can strategically spread the money out better with more years.

Qcard said:

You make great solid points but they are team biased (team friendly contract).

From the players vantage point. I want as much guaranteed in as much short time as possible and an opportunity to get more if I can still play.

It is not Dak's JOB to Draft well or manage the cap.

It's a free market. Dak can play on the tag and we all take a chance!

Andy Dalton vs. Rams Dline.... immobile rifle!

Only Dak Haters and Rams fans want Dalton game 1

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Yes, but every player understands that it is team-biased because there is a salary cap. Their contract has to be worked within the structure or it greatly diminishes the ability of the team to build a roster. That doesn't mean the player and his agents don't try to get as big a slice of the pie as possible, but they know they have to do it in a way that makes sense for the team.

Right now, both sides are in the heavy negotiation stage, with Dak's team asking for more than is cap reasonable and Dallas offering a deal that is less in some way(s) than what they will eventually settle on. Both sides hope the other will bite before negotiating up, but leaves itself room for concessions. This is why I'm not concerned about the negotiations at this point. When we get closer to the deadline to strike a deal, both sides will alter their demands and likely come to an agreement. Fans and the media are the only ones handwringing over a deal not being reached yet. This is just typical negotiations, especially for the Joneses. We can look to last year to see that, when the Joneses didn't reach a deal with Lawrence until they had to in order for him to get surgery in time to be ready for the season.

Now, some might bring up the Elliott ordeal since he held out, but Elliott was a different issue because he was under contract and wanted to have his deal redone with two years remaining on it. Generally, you don't want to do that as a team because it sets a bad precedent. However, Dallas was in good position to go ahead and get that deal out of the way, especially because it's a running back since their prime is usually shorter than other positions. Now, when the team gets to 2023, if Elliott's play has slipped, Dallas can move on and save cap dollars instead of a taking a hit for it if they had waited to re-sign him this year or next year. (Yes, they absorb $6.7 million in dead cap money, but save $8.3 million because his cap hit is $15 million.) That's one reason I don't see Dallas restructuring Elliott's deal. The Cowboys can if they have to, but they would be pushing money further back in a contract for a position with a short overall career.

Section446 said:

And I think that's why the Cowboys want a longer deal for Dak, you can strategically spread the money out better with more years.

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Yeah the model I saw didn’t have the cap differences in a 4&5 year deal so far apart that it justified being this entrenched in a negotiation. Of course they could both buckle at the 11th hour and it go one way or the other.

817Gill said:

He has never been 15M a year. He won’t be until 2022, which is the same year we can cut him. The team won that deal. He had an 8M hit last year, 10M this year, and 12M next year. His contract hasn’t prohibited us from making any FA moves we would’ve other wise made. We have over 10M in cap and once Dak signs it’ll be upwards of 15M. His contract hasn’t hindered us at all up to this point.

Also CMac just signed and you got Kamara, Cook, and Barkley coming up. Zeke will be the 6th highest back in no time.

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Zeke got his money up front in real cash and the Cowboys got their low cap hits up front. Win win.

Still don't like it from a team perspective for his drastic approach for the new deal but I got it from his side.

817Gill said:

Yeah the model I saw didn’t have the cap differences in a 4&5 year deal so far apart that it justified being this entrenched in a negotiation. Of course they could both buckle at the 11th hour and it go one way or the other.

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Yeah, I just don't think you can buckle when you're dealing with a QB who MIGHT (I said MIGHT) be asking for as much as $40 million a year. I don't care if you're talking about Drew Brees or Dak Prescott, that's just too much of the cap to commit to one position, unless you have a VERY long-term deal in place and you can manipulate the annual pay.