Andy Dalton is a quality QB

jterrell said:

I knew the context.
And I knew you were using it incorrectly in all ways.

You were being the typical Dak detractor that has no clue about anything really but gets his feelings hurt when called on it.
The "schooling" was my nice way of explaining why you were so very wrong as opposed to just giving up and calling you stupid.

We are near the end of the off-season and I've yet to see one data-driven argument where Dak is bad.
Perhaps one is possible but it seems unlikely.

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I POLITELY asked if we can compare yac when comparing 20+ yards between two QB's. I don't see how I misconstrued anything or is any kind of Dak "detracting". What a ridiculous assessment of my question.

If you;ve got really speedy adept receivers...you sure as hell CAN add a lot of QB stats. The 10 yard out can become a 50 yard TD. Not from QB adeptness necessarily. Not just Dak but ANY qb.

You've got plenty of people to attack for hating dak. I'm not one of them.

I like Dak and I support him.................but..................I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be intrigued to see what Dalton could do with a competent coaching staff. (I'm going to already assume this one is better than anything he ever had in Cincy)

jterrell said:

Yes, I am, on this board when debating a topic.
In debate/legal/argument parlance you never ask a question you do not know the answer to.

On this board it just comes across as lazy when you ask people to basically google something for you.

You weren't just asking a question. You were making a statement then asking the question as some type of defense.
In effect saying ok refute me but go do homework because just maybe I made a point here.

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Nope...incorrect assessment. I was asking to start a honest dialog about it.
You've got plenty of troll targets to attack on this board.
I'm not one of them.

When I ask a question....it's to get an answer, not stick words in people's mouths like you are now doing. I either want to know what a person thinks and where they are coming from...or get schooled. Not trap them.

Wherever you got your Internet Psychiatric Evaluation PhD from...you might want to ask for your money back. This "only ask a question you know the answer to"...could be the most asinine thing I've ever seen here.

PAPPYDOG said:

Score 13-10 and now tell us Dak-troll whos at fault here below why we didn't score on this play?
One of many games of inches moments where Dak falls short!!!!

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You are hilarious. ANYONE can make a video of a compilation of passes of 20 yards or longer that were incomplete by all the QB just for the last 2 seasons that would last for hours. You're implication that only Prescott had incompletions like that just shows how far and weak Prescott hater's arguments are. BTW Last season from the start until week 12 Prescott lead the league in completion percentage of pass of 20 plus yards and 40 plus yards and ended up as 2nd in both categories for the season. Like I said you're hilarious.
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Northern_Cowboy said:

And your very naive if you think the Cowboys with no commitent to Dak beyond this season (assumming he plays on the tag) would not look at all options if things are not going well this year on the field, they would be foolish not too and it is something they could not do if Dak signs and is locked into a 4-5 year deal with alot of guaranteed money in it. Now maybe you think your post and response was really good but if all you got in your answer is a bunch of excuses (there is a thread for that by the way!) and the use of a term guys like you use to try and hide the fact you are insecure about your QB then you really got nothing at all.

P.S. i don't hate Dak never have, infact i think he's a pretty good guy overall i just think he is short on talent to be considered an elite franchise QB, in other words he's an average Joe!

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/the-dak-prescott-excuse-thread.459250/

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Talk about excuses, here's your big excuse and I'll quote you " i just think he is short on talent to be considered an elite franchise QB, in other words he's an average Joe!" First off just when did you become recognized by all or any of the NFL GM's to be an expert and gifted evaluator of NFL talent? Here's a little hint for your big excuse. Going into free agency this off season the #1 rated free agent was Prescott. Please tell me all the years that an average player was the highest rated free agent going into free agency. In fact Prescott at #1 was rated higher than Brady.

I've always said that QB's get way to much blame for a team lossing and way to much credit for the team winning. Prescott hatters call the fact that defenses have played major parts in losses as well as special teams, the play of the offensive line, the lack of production by a RB on a team that is geared as a run first offense as just excuses and not facts because that doesn't fit into their hatred of Prescott.

Now I don't think Prescott is the best QB in the league but he is miles from being just average. Many of the QB's that are thought of as being better than Prescott are older like Brady, Rodgers and Brees. Brady has been beating father time for a long time now and odds are that father time will catch him sooner rather than later. The Packers drafted a QB thios year that they think will be Rodger's replacement because the past couple of years he's started having injuries. Brees has shown the past couple of season towards the end of the seasons that his arm was getting tired. Prescott is just starting to move into his prime and has steadily improved every year enough so that he was rated as the #1 free agent going into free agency.
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gjkoeppen said:

You are hilarious. ANYONE can make a video of a compilation of passes of 20 yards or longer that were incomplete by all the QB just for the last 2 seasons that would last for hours. You're implication that only Prescott had incompletions like that just shows how far and weak Prescott hater's arguments are. BTW Last season from the start until week 12 Prescott lead the league in completion percentage of pass of 20 plus yards and 40 plus yards and ended up as 2nd in both categories for the season. Like I said you're hilarious.
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The only Hilarious item on the Menu is you and your fellow Dak-trolls selling Dak as a top 5 NFL franchise QB.
P.S.Good luck with that new contract you guys have been peddling to us here the last 2 years.....

PAPPYDOG said:

The only Hilarious item on the Menu is you and your fellow Dak-trolls selling Dak as a top 5 NFL franchise QB.
P.S.Good luck with that new contract you guys have been peddling to us here the last 2 years.....

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Nail on the head!

CowboysRule said:

That is literally what happened with Romo. See, what you Dak lovers do is give Dak credit for every win. Even when the run game is dominant and the defense is doing their part it's still somehow all because of Dak even when he is barely surpassing 200 yards a game. Romo was clearly light years ahead of Dak (which he should've been. Prescott was a rookie, Romo was a seasoned veteran) and gave us the best chance to win. However, he also had a high cap hit and was near the end of his contract whereas Dak did not and was stuck with us for several years. That's why they kept Dak in. That's why they denied Romo's request for a fair and open competition for the starting QB spot.

Also, Cincinnati saved around $17m but cutting Dalton and Dalton requested to be released.

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First off Romo was released after free agency started before camp even started in 2017. The cowboys designated him a post June 1st release for two reasons. First to give Romo enough time if other teams wanted to sign him before training camps opened and two, to split the cap hit over 2 seasons instead of just 1. Romo received offers from 2 teams but decided to retire and take the offer from CBS to go into the booth.

I don't know why I have to keep saying this but I think QB's get to much blame form teams losing and get to much credit for teams winning, it's a team game. Now as far as Romo who got injured in preseason and went on IR and had to wait until after week eight to come off but still wasn't ready to play yet. Romo wasn't ready until after week 11. With the time he missed during preseason and practice during the remainder of training camp and 11 weeks of the season it was almost like being off for a season and the possibility of rust was a real fear. Rather than risk that possible rust the Cowboys chose to not mess with the mojo of a 11 game winning streak and continued with Prescott. Romo said after taking the job from CBS that he's not young anymore and has had several injuries and it was time for him to retire.

Now lets move on to a couple more of your statements. Yes Elliott had a great rookie season but the truth is his production has been on a downward trend ever since his rookie season. Starting in his 2nd season and a 6 game suspension because he's immature and couldn't act like an adult in the off season after his rookie season. The third year his production was less than his rookie season and his 4th season, last year it was less than his 3rd year. Now I will admit that there were some reasons for the slide in production last season because of injuries to the offensive line but he also seemed to go down easier than in past years after he broke through the line.

Now how about Prescott had a #1 receiver that in his second from his last year with the Cowboys was one drop short of leading the league in drops and his last season did lead the league in drops. Then move on to last season where the Cowboys receiving corp as a whole led the league in drops, most of which happened on 3rd down plays.

Like I've said, it's a team game yet when it comes to Prescott haters they want to blame him for every loss but when the Cowboys win then they start with it's a team sport. Can't have it both ways.
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Andy is a stop gap. Nothing else....

gjkoeppen said:

Talk about excuses, here's your big excuse and I'll quote you " i just think he is short on talent to be considered an elite franchise QB, in other words he's an average Joe!" First off just when did you become recognized by all or any of the NFL GM's to be an expert and gifted evaluator of NFL talent? Here's a little hint for your big excuse. Going into free agency this off season the #1 rated free agent was Prescott. Please tell me all the years that an average player was the highest rated free agent going into free agency. In fact Prescott at #1 was rated higher than Brady.

I've always said that QB's get way to much blame for a team lossing and way to much credit for the team winning. Prescott hatters call the fact that defenses have played major parts in losses as well as special teams, the play of the offensive line, the lack of production by a RB on a team that is geared as a run first offense as just excuses and not facts because that doesn't fit into their hatred of Prescott.

Now I don't think Prescott is the best QB in the league but he is miles from being just average. Many of the QB's that are thought of as being better than Prescott are older like Brady, Rodgers and Brees. Brady has been beating father time for a long time now and odds are that father time will catch him sooner rather than later. The Packers drafted a QB thios year that they think will be Rodger's replacement because the past couple of years he's started having injuries. Brees has shown the past couple of season towards the end of the seasons that his arm was getting tired. Prescott is just starting to move into his prime and has steadily improved every year enough so that he was rated as the #1 free agent going into free agency.
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He’s Mr. Mediocrity! You must always pull for the long shot.

PAPPYDOG said:

The only Hilarious item on the Menu is you and your fellow Dak-trolls selling Dak as a top 5 NFL franchise QB.
P.S.Good luck with that new contract you guys have been peddling to us here the last 2 years.....

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You are welcomed, no I'm asking you to find ANY of my posts where I said Prescott was a top 5 QB. What I've said repeatedly is he is nowhere close to being as bad as the Prescott haters want to paint him. I've also pointed out that the Prescott haters who keep pushing this 40 mil a year contract that has ONLY been PURE SPECULATION by some sportswriters and so called "insiders". I also trust those that actually have jobs in the NFL over Prescott haters. The Prescott haters all seem to think watching games on their couches qualifies them as experts in evaluating every part of the NFL I rely on those that actual have 1st hand knowledge and are paid to make evaluations.
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gjkoeppen said:

You are hilarious. ANYONE can make a video of a compilation of passes of 20 yards or longer that were incomplete by all the QB just for the last 2 seasons that would last for hours. You're implication that only Prescott had incompletions like that just shows how far and weak Prescott hater's arguments are. BTW Last season from the start until week 12 Prescott lead the league in completion percentage of pass of 20 plus yards and 40 plus yards and ended up as 2nd in both categories for the season. Like I said you're hilarious.
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Bro, don't take Pappy seriously. Just laugh at him. Poor guy.

morat1959 said:

He’s Mr. Mediocrity! You must always pull for the long shot.

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Wow another one sitting on his couch thinks he's a genuine NFL scout/GM. Which Cracker Jacks box did you get your credentials in?
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SlammedZero said:

I like Dak and I support him.................but..................I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be intrigued to see what Dalton could do with a competent coaching staff. (I'm going to already assume this one is better than anything he ever had in Cincy)

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But I guess you have no desire to see what Dak can do with a competent coaching staff?

Rockport said:

But I guess you have no desire to see what Dak can do with a competent coaching staff?

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Nice of you to twist what I said to fit your own agenda. Was just merely a statement about Dalton (you know, the subject of this thread).

SlammedZero said:

Nice of you to twist what I said to fit your own agenda. Was just merely a statement about Dalton (you know, the subject of this thread).

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I got what you meant... and it would be awesome if we could have alternate realities to show the same game played by different players, because it would be interesting.

SlammedZero said:

Nice of you to twist what I said to fit your own agenda. Was just merely a statement about Dalton (you know, the subject of this thread).

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I didn’t twist anything. But I did expose you.

SlammedZero said:

Nice of you to twist what I said to fit your own agenda. Was just merely a statement about Dalton (you know, the subject of this thread).

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Here's answering this thread topic. Do teams really cut quality QB's? QB's get cut because either they aren't the QB he used to be or teams finally realized that he wasn't as good as they thought he would be or have become injury prone. It is very common for QB's that once started to find themselves as just backup QB's later in their careers. Name a QUALITY QB that has been cut before they stop being a quality QB's. The QB positions is recognized by most in sports as the hardest position in all of sports to play and teams who have a quality QB don't cut them if they are still quality QB's. Dalton got cut so that means he's no longer that quality QB that will lead a team to a championship.

People talk about Prescott having only one playoff win during his first 4 years in the NFL but Dalton is 0 - 5, yet some here think that's better than Prescott. At least Prescott got the Cowboys to a divisional game, Dalton never got the begals past the wildcard games. You brought up the bengals coaching staff and the Cowboys coaching staff is now better than what Dalton had with the bengals but you don't apply that same logic to Prescott. Like I said if Dalton was truly still a quality QB the bengals wouldn't have cut him.
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Andy Dalton is a quality backup QB and if he was any more than that he would still be the starter in Cincinnati or somewhere else. Anyone who’s trying to spin that he’s a quality starter and Dak isn’t needs a subscription to Football for Dummies.

Qcard said:

Dak hijacked Tony Romo's team which led to the Hierarchy Speech...so Dak should be scared of Andy Dalton's 118 Career Ints and 14 Career Pick 6s?

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I would run through a wall for him!
One of those paper walls that the Japanese used to use for their homes.