Are Cowboys over invested at receiver?

Jake0 · Oct 1, 2020

The Lamb pick was fine, one of the top WRs in a historic WR class. Don't get cute. This team isn't in win this year or bust mode, keep building the team with as many elite players as possible.

This team is in shambles right now because of other picks, Connor Williams was a terrible pick and LVE can't stay on the field. Jaylon was horrendous, redshirted a guy that turned out to be a mediocre player due to his catastrophic injury, he should have been picked in the 3rd or 4th round at the earliest not in the 30s. Frederick retiring set the team back.

The team's championship window was during the peak OL years + Romo or during Dak/Zeke's rookie contracts and Garrett wasted them all, so now is a partial rebuilding time, Lamb is perfectly fine for that.

buybuydandavis · Oct 1, 2020

kskboys said:
We say this every year, Buybuy. "Oh, he was BPA so we HAD to take him". Meanwhile, our D blows chunks.

And it's not specifically the pick of Lamb I have a problem w/. It's the over and over and over ignoring of S and DT, way too many injured players taken, and no shots at 5th rounders like Tim Settle or Grady Jarrett.

No, you cannot win a super bowl w/ too many of these tradeoffs. You've got this one wrong. Because you're not going to beat the Mahomes's of the league w/ average DT's and DE's. Not going to happen.

I guess if your goal is to win regular season games, sure, keep on taking WR's and CB's.

Last couple of years we didn't ignore DT. Unfortunately, the highest pick was Hill, courtesy of the Dline Whisperer. Did get Gallimore this year. Wish they'd play him.

You may be happy going forward. We signed McCoy and Poe and drafted Gallimore. Barring injury, it looked like we'd be cutting Woods, which seemed like a waste. We signed Dix. McCoy broke and Dix stunk, but that's a lot more attention than usual to DT and S.

I'm in general with you on not spending big on WRs and CBs with picks or money. I was one of the few against trading a first for Cooper. And once we traded for him and he played well, they *had* to sign him or look like fools. It was inevitable.

But Lamb wasn't just BPA, he was a jackpot. I'll take the Lamb pick. Lamb should keep us from signing Gallup to a new contract, and then give us a successor to Cooper as #1.

Two picks that are looking meh are two I liked - Williams and McGovern. Gimme the big boys.

Williams goes to show that you can't just count on Ts translating to Gs. Shoulda learned that with Collins. The McGovern pick, they just won't use him. Maybe he stinks, or maybe it's one of those "not my guy" things. Either way, doesn't look like we're going to get anything from him this year either.

Diehardblues · Oct 1, 2020

Jake0 said:
The Lamb pick was fine, one of the top WRs in a historic WR class. Don't get cute. This team isn't in win this year or bust mode, keep building the team with as many elite players as possible.

This team is in shambles right now because of other picks, Connor Williams was a terrible pick and LVE can't stay on the field. Jaylon was horrendous, redshirted a guy that turned out to be a mediocre player due to his catastrophic injury, he should have been picked in the 3rd or 4th round at the earliest not in the 30s. Frederick retiring set the team back.

The team's championship window was during the peak OL years + Romo or during Dak/Zeke's rookie contracts and Garrett wasted them all, so now is a partial rebuilding time, Lamb is perfectly fine for that.

This wasn’t touted as a rebuilding season. In fact after last years team was heralded as under achieving most were touting this roster as a serious SB contender setting a championship appearance as the Bar.

All I’ve heard since the season begun is excuses . If we had begun 3-0 we’d be claiming this was a SB contender like last year claiming McCarthy was optimizing the talent he inherited.

Can’t have it both ways. If this teams needs a rebuilding or retooling then that’s an admittance last years team didn’t under achieve.

TheMarathonContinues · Oct 1, 2020

kskboys said:
Agree.

And it's not this one pick I have a problem w/. We've been doing this type of thing, along w/ worse stuff such as taking players falling due to injuries and stupidity, way too long

Yeah not a fan of that especially with guys like linemen and linebackers. I have no problem with looking at those guys but it seems like we invested high picks and that it have a issue with. You want to throw a 4th or 5th on a guy? I’m fine.

Bullflop · Oct 1, 2020

I really believe that they did the right thing by drafting CeeDee Lamb #1.

Even if they hadn't, they still would've drafted Trevon Diggs #1, anyhow.

I'd say the Cowboys had to draft CeeDee with Amari being injury prone.

kskboys · Oct 1, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
Last couple of years we didn't ignore DT. Unfortunately, the highest pick was Hill, courtesy of the Dline Whisperer. Did get Gallimore this year. Wish they'd play him.

You may be happy going forward. We signed McCoy and Poe and drafted Gallimore. Barring injury, it looked like we'd be cutting Woods, which seemed like a waste. We signed Dix. McCoy broke and Dix stunk, but that's a lot more attention than usual to DT and S.

I'm in general with you on not spending big on WRs and CBs with picks or money. I was one of the few against trading a first for Cooper. And once we traded for him and he played well, they *had* to sign him or look like fools. It was inevitable.

But Lamb wasn't just BPA, he was a jackpot. I'll take the Lamb pick. Lamb should keep us from signing Gallup to a new contract, and then give us a successor to Cooper as #1.

Two picks that are looking meh are two I liked - Williams and McGovern. Gimme the big boys.

Williams goes to show that you can't just count on Ts translating to Gs. Shoulda learned that with Collins. The McGovern pick, they just won't use him. Maybe he stinks, or maybe it's one of those "not my guy" things. Either way, doesn't look like we're going to get anything from him this year either.

Still drafting only 3 techs. Getting better, but drafting DL's is one thing you have to just keep doing. Replace all those mid to late round LB's w/ some DT's and maybe we'll hit on some. Not working the way we're doing it.

kskboys · Oct 1, 2020

Bullflop said:
I really believe that they did the right thing by drafting CeeDee Lamb #1.

Even if they hadn't, they still would've drafted Trevon Diggs #1, anyhow.

I'd say the Cowboys had to draft CeeDee with Amari being injury prone.

Yeah, once again, it's not this one pick. It's the fact that we're always doing it. It was Mo, it was vander esch, it was Jaylon, Bruce Carter, Dez Bryant, Escobar, TW, Byron Jones. All about flash. Where is it getting us? 8-8. Why? Because when you're losing the battle up front, you're not going to be a super bowl contender. We keep making the Darnolds and Vince Youngs and Mitch Trubiskeys of the league look like studs. Why? Because we don't consistently disrupt the LOS.

You can defend the Lamb pick, good. I like it myself. However, we just can't keep doing it if we ever want to improve.

It's not this one pick. It's that we keep drafting flash.

Bullflop · Oct 1, 2020

kskboys said:
Yeah, once again, it's not this one pick. It's the fact that we're always doing it. It was Mo, it was vander esch, it was Jaylon, Bruce Carter, Dez Bryant, Escobar, TW, Byron Jones. All about flash. Where is it getting us? 8-8. Why? Because when you're losing the battle up front, you're not going to be a super bowl contender. We keep making the Darnolds and Vince Youngs and Mitch Trubiskeys of the league look like studs. Why? Because we don't consistently disrupt the LOS.

You can defend the Lamb pick, good. I like it myself. However, we just can't keep doing it if we ever want to improve.

It's not this one pick. It's that we keep drafting flash.

I'm expecting to improve if we get some of the injured back but even then, Tyron is getting more injury prone and La'el will be a guessing game as a future potential starter, as well. It really appears some OL changes will be required in the very near future, if not immediately. As usual, Jerry and son usually wait until things break down before they react. That's exactly why I make it a point to satisfy myself with being entertained, rather than expecting wins, these days. Hopefully, things may pick up in the weeks ahead but in the meantime, it sure looks like struggles lie ahead for the time being. No question but what the defense will require considerable bolstering in the next draft but if I had to bet on it, OT might come first.

jazzcat22 · Oct 1, 2020

Buzzbait said:
Jazz I totally agree with your take. I do think Diggs is going to develop into a quality CB. We probably need to go back to the draft again for another CB.
But no, we are not overinvested in WR, we're just very fortunate to have such a quality stable of WR's. You don't shoot yourself in the foot to spite your face.

However, at some point I wouldn't be surprised if they found it necessary to let Cooper go because of the cap cost. They have younger WRs who are equally good.

I believe Cooper's contract is written, so when Gallup's contract is due, they could let Gallup move on, or trade say if they tag him. And keep Cooper. Or they let Cooper go with a smaller cap hit, and sign Gallup to the money saved on Cooper. Which this seems the more likely scenario.

But sure would be great if the found a way to keep both. At least from the looks of things right now.

kskboys · Oct 1, 2020

jazzcat22 said:
I believe Cooper's contract is written, so when Gallup's contract is due, they could let Gallup move on, or trade say if they tag him. And keep Cooper. Or they let Cooper go with a smaller cap hit, and sign Gallup to the money saved on Cooper. Which this seems the more likely scenario.

But sure would be great if the found a way to keep both. At least from the looks of things right now.

I think I remember the guys saying that we had a pretty cheap out after next season on Cooper. Appears to me that Coop will be let walk and it'll be Lamb and Gallup going forward.

CowboyDAK · Oct 1, 2020

kskboys said:
BPA leading us to yet another 8-8.

The problem is we didn’t hit on a lot of our first round or high picks. Taco killed us, Tristen Hill eh, LVE looks like a bust (injury). If 2 of those 3 hit our defense is looking a touch better.

I think we need to invest heavily in secondary this off season whether it be draft and/or free agency.

CowboyDAK · Oct 1, 2020

kskboys said:
I think I remember the guys saying that we had a pretty cheap out after next season on Cooper. Appears to me that Coop will be let walk and it'll be Lamb and Gallup going forward.

No way we can afford to keep all 3. That is just bad management, I love Gallup but you don’t win having money in 3 guys. A quality vet or another 3-4 rounder is the way to go.

RonnieT24 · Oct 1, 2020

CowboyDAK said:
No way we can afford to keep all 3. That is just bad management, I love Gallup but you don’t win having money in 3 guys. A quality vet or another 3-4 rounder is the way to go.

We may already have two other quality vets in Wilson and Brown. I like what I am seeing out of both of them thus far. They have made their presence felt in limited opportunities. Wilson's jets are just what this offense needs to take the top off the defense and I love Brown's physicality. If Coop keeps getting dinged up and it renders him just another good receiver instead of a 20 million dollar a year beast I am all for letting him walk after the guaranteed money is paid out of getting him to restructure at that point. By that time Gallup or Lamb (or both) may have developed into beasts and if I could sign Coop to a team friendly deal as my #2 or #3 I would be all over that.

buybuydandavis · Oct 1, 2020

kskboys said:
Still drafting only 3 techs. Getting better, but drafting DL's is one thing you have to just keep doing. Replace all those mid to late round LB's w/ some DT's and maybe we'll hit on some. Not working the way we're doing it.

Ironically, Gallimore looks like the ideal Marinelli 1T to me. Good for a pass rush 1T, IMO. I don't see the length usually desired for a 3T.

In the meantime, they signed Poe for a space eating 1T. The new regime got 3 DTs this offseason. After spending our first pick last year on a DT. That's a big turn. Poe is a big turn is type of player.

How much more do you expect in one season?

DandyDon52 · Oct 1, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Our secondary is a mess. We can’t allow opposing teams to run free . It’s not a winning formula . The Cowboys have given up 38 points in consecutive games for the first time since 1988 which was Landry’s last season when we finished 3-13.

Lamb is an awesome talent but with receivers our position of strength are we over invested while leaving other positions of weakness more vulnerable.

Who pays top 5 money to a WR1 while using their 1st pick at WR when you already have 2 starting receivers with so many weaknesses in other areas? That’s a luxury we couldn’t really afford.

Cedric Wilson’s return this season with his breakout performance Sunday scoring his first 2 TD’s of his career with 5 catches over a 100 yards is a perfect example of how you develop instead of continuing to use our highest picks in draft on key positions.

Unless we can convert one of them to our secondary we appear to have over invested in one position while leaving other critical positions of weakness vulnerable which could ultimately cost the season.

Well we are over invested, but they had no idea they could get lamb, or that cedrik would look that good.
The problem is that Amari has been playing like a weak # 2 , not a # 1. He looks like he is in pain, and has been rather useless,
and he gets way too many targets. If he isnt playing well cut down targets, and snaps, and use him as a decoy.

Cedrik , lamb ,and gallup should be the starters till amari gets healthy.
They could trade one of them, but the only one I would trade is amari. no way he is worth what they are paying him.

cowboyschmps3 · Oct 2, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Our secondary is a mess. We can’t allow opposing teams to run free . It’s not a winning formula . The Cowboys have given up 38 points in consecutive games for the first time since 1988 which was Landry’s last season when we finished 3-13.

Lamb is an awesome talent but with receivers our position of strength are we over invested while leaving other positions of weakness more vulnerable.

Who pays top 5 money to a WR1 while using their 1st pick at WR when you already have 2 starting receivers with so many weaknesses in other areas? That’s a luxury we couldn’t really afford.

Cedric Wilson’s return this season with his breakout performance Sunday scoring his first 2 TD’s of his career with 5 catches over a 100 yards is a perfect example of how you develop instead of continuing to use our highest picks in draft on key positions.

Unless we can convert one of them to our secondary we appear to have over invested in one position while leaving other critical positions of weakness vulnerable which could ultimately cost the season.

You don’t have enough wideouts in today’s NFL. Just cause Wilson went off don’t mean we’ll get that again.

eromeopolk · Oct 2, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Our secondary is a mess. We can’t allow opposing teams to run free . It’s not a winning formula . The Cowboys have given up 38 points in consecutive games for the first time since 1988 which was Landry’s last season when we finished 3-13.

Lamb is an awesome talent but with receivers our position of strength are we over invested while leaving other positions of weakness more vulnerable.

Who pays top 5 money to a WR1 while using their 1st pick at WR when you already have 2 starting receivers with so many weaknesses in other areas? That’s a luxury we couldn’t really afford.

Cedric Wilson’s return this season with his breakout performance Sunday scoring his first 2 TD’s of his career with 5 catches over a 100 yards is a perfect example of how you develop instead of continuing to use our highest picks in draft on key positions.

Unless we can convert one of them to our secondary we appear to have over invested in one position while leaving other critical positions of weakness vulnerable which could ultimately cost the season.

Does the sun rise in the east and sets in the west?

Buzzbait · Oct 3, 2020

kskboys said:
I think I remember the guys saying that we had a pretty cheap out after next season on Cooper. Appears to me that Coop will be let walk and it'll be Lamb and Gallup going forward.

That's what I'm hoping for.

GimmeTheBall! · Oct 3, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Our secondary is a mess. We can’t allow opposing teams to run free . It’s not a winning formula . The Cowboys have given up 38 points in consecutive games for the first time since 1988 which was Landry’s last season when we finished 3-13.

Lamb is an awesome talent but with receivers our position of strength are we over invested while leaving other positions of weakness more vulnerable.

Who pays top 5 money to a WR1 while using their 1st pick at WR when you already have 2 starting receivers with so many weaknesses in other areas? That’s a luxury we couldn’t really afford.

Cedric Wilson’s return this season with his breakout performance Sunday scoring his first 2 TD’s of his career with 5 catches over a 100 yards is a perfect example of how you develop instead of continuing to use our highest picks in draft on key positions.

Unless we can convert one of them to our secondary we appear to have over invested in one position while leaving other critical positions of weakness vulnerable which could ultimately cost the season.

We have plenty of Good wide receivers.
Ordinarily, I'd say keep them all.
But our secondary sucks. We need a trade.

Diehardblues · Oct 3, 2020

Bullflop said:
I really believe that they did the right thing by drafting CeeDee Lamb #1.

Even if they hadn't, they still would've drafted Trevon Diggs #1, anyhow.

I'd say the Cowboys had to draft CeeDee with Amari being injury prone.

Which brings into question why resign Cooper.

Drafting Lamb is a great pick if we hadn’t signed Cooper . Then it would have been a major position of need .

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