Twitter: Colin: Gap between Dak and Dalton is not massive

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Truth: The gap between prime Dalton and Tom Brady is not massive. The gap between Big Ben and prime Dalton is not massive. The gap between any SB QB and prime Dalton is not massive. The people surrounding prime Dalton and more successful QB , have been massive

Matt Moore numbers in 2 starts for KC in 2019

completion pct. - 69.5
Yards per game - 271
QB Rating - 105.5

Wondering if Cowturd ever calculated those numbers! Cowturd has an agenda against Dak
 

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rnr_honeybadger said:
So you agree then Rodgers and Mahoney are elite, in which case explain how Dak is worth what those guys make?
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yes, Rodgers and Mahomes are elite...I have said that multiple times. in NFL usually there are 2 at most 3 elite QBs...rare to see more than that.....

rodgers is 38 so he is defintley on the down side....

Mahomes got a 10 year almost $500M contract with a year to go on his existing contract, with tons of money up front. KC took a risk and Mahomes got a lot of guarantee money. win win....if Mahomes would have signed two 5 year contracts in the 10 year period, he would have probably gotten more than $500M total...but it would be risky to him and more costly to KC......plus he got a lot of the bonus money up front, 5 years earlier.....that's worth a lot of money itself

dak being in the 35-40 range, similar to Watson is not putting Dak in Mahomes money range....that's absurd statement.

and Dak is a top 10 QB in NFL. I don't set QB market value. I don't hand out those contracts....the owners, NFL teams do....so if that's the price, then that's the price.....
 
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rnr_honeybadger said:
who is talking about replacing? All I’m saying is that if you are asking to be payed as an elite QB then show up as that elite Qb and carry your team. If not then what the hell are we talking about? Daks a middling talent and isn’t going to carry this team. That’s not the guy you pay too dollar for and if someone else wants to be dumb enough to do it then let them.
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Zach Martin is paid as an elite O-Lineman, and we still lose games. If you are saying every player on the team has to take the blame for losses individually, then Zach isn't worth his money. In fact, by that standard there isn't a single player that is worth his money this year since it is a losing season.

That's not reality though. Every player does not individually take the credit for wins, or the blame for losses. The team as a whole takes the credit and blame.

That's not to say there isn't an individual element, but that doesn't mean every player individually gets credit for a win and blame for a loss. If that were the case then every player would be worthwhile when the team wins, and every player would not be worthwhile when the team loses. Again, that's not reality. Every team has to decide where the strengths and weaknesses are, and try to maintain the strengths, and do something different where they see weaknesses.

As for Dak asking for elite money, that only applies if you thought Wentz, Goff and Cousins were elite. He was looking for something a little more than Cousins, and about the same neighborhood as Goff and Wentz.

What some refuse to recognize is that the reason other guys that may be better were behind that level is because of timing. For example, Rodgers was very slightly behind that level because his contract was a few years older, and Mahomes was behind that level because he was on his rookie contract. In a few years the contracts Goff and Wentz got will likely be very mundane. That's how it works.
 
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pansophy said:
It’s not massive. You are getting a 10-15 QB and two players instead of a 5-10 QB. Dak will make a few more plays than Dalton will, especially running assuming his ankle is 100%.

But again we have losing year in year out because we don’t invest in defense. Instead of trying to compete defensively with high risk reward players, we should actually just put some money back there. If Trent Dilfer can win a super bowl, so can Andy Dalton with these weapons.
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so down grading the QB play,the offense as a result and then try to compensate with two average defensive players...is that the plan?

btw, Dalton is more 20-25 or even 25-30 range...he is defintley not a 10-15 range...no way.

and we have invested in defense. in fact we have invested a lot...but we just made bad investment after bad investment. we have only had one impactful defensive player in 15 years of drafting defense (assuming Lawrence is that impactful player)....we have had lots of bad FA signings like Poe, Worley, McCoy, Griffin, Hardy, Quinn (in essence giving up a 6th), Woods, etc. etc. etc......

the problem is evaluating defensive players draft and FA and signing the right ones..not sure why, but we have to fix that before we see a change in defense....

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we have drafted 24 defensive players....the one everyone is so high on is Diggs and that's because of potential given his play this year has been not that good......yes he is a rookie. I get it.....but he is not impactful. so we have had no impactful players.... some could be considered good, but not impactful like Auwzie, LVE
we have drafted 18 offensive players, CD, Zeke, Dak, Schultz, Gallup, Pollard, Biadasz, Wilson, Cooper (since we gave up a first for him).....some are great, some have really high potential, all these good....

why is it that we can't pick defensive players?
 

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Why are people cherry picking Daltons last six starts? Is it because the first two starts would weigh down the last six? By that, it’s obvious Dalton has improved over the last six starts, why don’t we take into consideration that Dak would’ve improved over that same period as well if not sooner?
 
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Gameover said:
Why are people cherry picking Daltons last six starts? Is it because the first two starts would weigh down the last six? By that, it’s obvious Dalton has improved over the last six starts, why don’t we take into consideration that Dak would’ve improved over that same period as well if not sooner?
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That's because they are not the same kind of player, one tries his best, the other wins.
 
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CowboysFaninHouston said:
I don't listen to anyone in particular. I read most, draw my own conclusion, I don't jump on something one mediot says because it supports my opinion as you have done and then criticize him another time because he says opposite of my opinion. I stick to facts, context and multiple factors..seemingly something you refuse to do because it will make our opinion fall apart and hurt your ego

but I have to give you this that you admited Dak is a good QB, and Dalton is not good....you at least started to see the truth a little bit and change your mind and change your opinion...its progress.
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I’ve been consistent all through out.

I’ve always said I like Dak better.

Where I was wrong, and Colin disagrees with me, is that I thought Andy would be a little better passer than Dak and Dak has him beat there too.


Regardless.. They get similar results.. I took a lot of heat for that statement after the Cardinals games.. Well after it’s all played out Dak & Dalton have gotten about the same results as one another because they both go as the team goes.
 
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5Stars said:
Hey, JACK, what position did you play and after you tell me I'll ask you a few questions.
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Don't be copying my lines, JACK. Get your own! :D

I played slot back, outside linebacker and center (All State).

How about you?
 
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"It's not that anybody hates Dak, but he's not worth twice of Dalton." — @ColinCowherd

I have probably typed that on this forum over 200 times since last March. Colin isn't my favorite guy but I think we'd see eye to eye on a lot of things.
 

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cern said:
not buying that. zekes fumbles caused us to begin 14 -21 points behind and game plans were totally disrupted as a result. the only true comparison must be the last 4 years for each.
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I wouldn't compare wins and losses -- I agree that we lost those games because of other players. But again, one could argue Dak put up the numbers he did because we were so terribly behind. Yes, he still had to do it, but had we been wining those games he never would have put up those yards.
 
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