Video: Fish: “Cowboys Talking to KJ Wright”

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INCowboysFan said:
I haven't seen any instincts out of LVE since his rookie season. He misses tackles at an alarming rate and he's fragile.
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Fragile, yes. Absolutely. However, we were speaking of who is better. Jaylon also misses tackles due to his inability to plant and go.

LVE misses tackles? Not shocking since he prolly cannot see straight and it prolly jars the life outta his neck whenever he makes contact. He wasn't good last year due to injuries.

Are we comparing them injured or healthy?
 
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kskboys said:
Fragile, yes. Absolutely. However, we were speaking of who is better. Jaylon also misses tackles due to his inability to plant and go.

LVE misses tackles? Not shocking since he prolly cannot see straight and it prolly jars the life outta his neck whenever he makes contact. He wasn't good last year due to injuries.

Are we comparing them injured or healthy?
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LVE is never healthy so its not a fair comparison. Also. Jaylon hasnt been healthy since college so. This is why I keep saying. Draft Parsons lol
 
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quickccc said:
Didn't we just guarantee jaylon contact for this year by not making any decisions on it?
Then it very much appears that Swipe is gonna make the club ... This year
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The Jaylon situation is so weird to me. Then again, his extension came out of nowhere so I assume this is just Jerry going rogue.

I think his days on the weak side are done. If he ends up at Sam, I don't see how you justify his contract regardless of play, so maybe they're going to give him one last shot to live up to his contract at Mike?
 
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Uncle_Hank said:
The Jaylon situation is so weird to me. Then again, his extension came out of nowhere so I assume this is just Jerry going rogue.

I think his days on the weak side are done. If he ends up at Sam, I don't see how you justify his contract regardless of play, so maybe they're going to give him one last shot to live up to his contract at Mike?
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Jaylon’s extension was all about Zeke. Zeke was holding out at that time. Jerry made it a point at the PC announcing Jaylon’s extension that he rewards players for being team guys (paraphrasing). That was a shot at Zeke and he incredulously thought that would have some impact on Zeke and his agent. I guess that’s what happens when one qualifies as a GM by reading GM for Dummies.
 
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Jaylon’s extension was all about Zeke. Zeke was holding out at that time. Jerry made it a point at the PC announcing Jaylon’s extension that he rewards players for being team guys (paraphrasing). That was a shot at Zeke and he incredulously thought that would have some impact on Zeke and his agent. I guess that’s what happens when one qualifies as a GM by reading GM for Dummies.
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Right, it's even worse when you think about it in that context. That front office is a mess.
 
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Lve struggles with durability, maybe you limit his snaps to keep him healthy. He is still on his rookie deal and isn't making big money. Could always shift Neal to SS too. Injuries always happen to this positional group. Much rather sign Wright, then bring back Lee, the difference shouldn't be significant.
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if we have to make plans to limit or spot LVE's snaps -that's supposed to be a very key our core player for our defense - to have a chance at preserving his durability, i'm not looking to
pick up his option or re-sign him to a lucrative long term deal. Core cornerstone players need to be on the field.
Especially considering that he is a young, first round draft pick for us, ..not an aging, physically declining Sean Lee.

- In fact if limiting him more is the case, then I'd have to strongly consider moving on from him altogether, and investing in another young, core player who can be trusted and reliable to be
on the field full time basis.

- I agree with having KJ Wright vs Sean Lee. But only because i'm assuming Wright can still run and move, and he's not had a serious injury in recent years, though if he's that invaluable,
and can be had for a 6-7 mill range, then why would the Hawks allow him to move on in free agency ?

- Do they already have immediate plans for one of their young recent draftees already in invested in the Wright role ?

- Also Wright is no spring young chicken and a long term invest as he's gonna be 32 yrs this coming summer.
He's stop gap at this stage and age of his career. and this seems like maybe a short 2 year now window at the least.

- only Anthony Hitchen and Damien Wilson aside, we've had a trending history of injury related LBs down recent road- Bruce Carter, Justin Durant, Lee, LVE, Jaylon (pre-draft) Joe Thomas
even egg-fragile unknowns like Luke Gifford; we always tend to draw those kind of backers. It's astounding.
But for all his liability flaws, at least Swipe has been very durable in the NFL since his red-shirt rookie year in 2016. I dont believe he hasn't missed a game since 2016
 
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Uncle_Hank said:
The Jaylon situation is so weird to me. Then again, his extension came out of nowhere so I assume this is just Jerry going rogue.

I think his days on the weak side are done. If he ends up at Sam, I don't see how you justify his contract regardless of play, so maybe they're going to give him one last shot to live up to his contract at Mike?
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I can only guess a Jaylon move back to middle LB, to which :
- we still have the same lack of instincts,
- stuck in traffic, cannot shed blocks to make plays
- cannot turn and match up in coverage vs the better catching TEs and RBs in coverage,
- still mis-guessing into the wrong gaps,
- and a guy that can be easily fooled and baited by misdirection
- and one that is still just an average blitzer whether trying to shoot into interior gaps or off the edge.

yet we want to keep on the roster spot for him, pay him 7+ million this year, and insist the new DC and coaches devised and scheme for him to have quality minutes and role for him ? (sigh)
 
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JustChip said:
Jaylon’s extension was all about Zeke. Zeke was holding out at that time. Jerry made it a point at the PC announcing Jaylon’s extension that he rewards players for being team guys (paraphrasing). That was a shot at Zeke and he incredulously thought that would have some impact on Zeke and his agent. I guess that’s what happens when one qualifies as a GM by reading GM for Dummies.
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Hey, I read that too, and I’m just a speculating stoner!
 
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INCowboysFan said:
Have you seen these great instincts in the last 2 years?

Neither one of them is very good. So to me, you get rid of the one that isn't going to hurt your cap....LVE.
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Hard not to agree here. Even if LVE bounces back this year, you're looking at a player with two good years and two bad years. Why would you hitch your wagon to that?

If he has a good year, let him net you a comp pick and move on.
 
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quickccc said:
if we have to make plans to limit or spot LVE's snaps -that's supposed to be a very key our core player for our defense - to have a chance at preserving his durability, i'm not looking to
pick up his option or re-sign him to a lucrative long term deal. Core cornerstone players need to be on the field.
Especially considering that he is a young, first round draft pick for us, ..not an aging, physically declining Sean Lee.

- In fact if limiting him more is the case, then I'd have to strongly consider moving on from him altogether, and investing in another young, core player who can be trusted and reliable to be
on the field full time basis.

- I agree with having KJ Wright vs Sean Lee. But only because i'm assuming Wright can still run and move, and he's not had a serious injury in recent years, though if he's that invaluable,
and can be had for a 6-7 mill range, then why would the Hawks allow him to move on in free agency ?

- Do they already have immediate plans for one of their young recent draftees already in invested in the Wright role ?

- Also Wright is no spring young chicken and a long term invest as he's gonna be 32 yrs this coming summer.
He's stop gap at this stage and age of his career. and this seems like maybe a short 2 year now window at the least.

- only Anthony Hitchen and Damien Wilson aside, we've had a trending history of injury related LBs down recent road- Bruce Carter, Justin Durant, Lee, LVE, Jaylon (pre-draft) Joe Thomas
even egg-fragile unknowns like Luke Gifford; we always tend to draw those kind of backers. It's astounding.
But for all his liability flaws, at least Swipe has been very durable in the NFL since his red-shirt rookie year in 2016. I dont believe he hasn't missed a game since 2016
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I think you make a spot for KJ Wright. He still is playing at a high level and is a legitimate 3 down linebacker. Due to his age, I don't see anything more then a 1-2 year contract. We will know Lve's future in May when they have to decide to pick up his option. Jaylon's contract has an out after this season. It is quite possible the entire unit can be turned over next season. Why hasn't the Seahawks signed him? They are tight against the cap, had to release Reed to resign Dunlap, they also just used a 1st rd pick at the position.
 
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Cowboyny said:
I think you make a spot for KJ Wright. He still is playing at a high level and is a legitimate 3 down linebacker. Due to his age, I don't see anything more then a 1-2 year contract. We will know Lve's future in May when they have to decide to pick up his option. Jaylon's contract has an out after this season. It is quite possible the entire unit can be turned over next season. Why hasn't the Seahawks signed him? They are tight against the cap, had to release Reed to resign Dunlap, they also just used a 1st rd pick at the position.
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Probably comes down to money.

You know as well as I do that the kid won't spend a dime beyond a players "value," probably determined by him.

They want to steal everyone. This way Jerry can continue to overpay his friends.
 
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Lets get real....

We aren't signing KJ Wright. He just makes too much sense in improving this team. Jerry doesn't care at all about this team.
 
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Cowboyny said:
I think you make a spot for KJ Wright. He still is playing at a high level and is a legitimate 3 down linebacker. Due to his age, I don't see anything more then a 1-2 year contract. We will know Lve's future in May when they have to decide to pick up his option. Jaylon's contract has an out after this season. It is quite possible the entire unit can be turned over next season. Why hasn't the Seahawks signed him? They are tight against the cap, had to release Reed to resign Dunlap, they also just used a 1st rd pick at the position.
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Maybe the KJ Wright possibility signing could happen after the NFL draft when a younger regarded LB that could be selected.
But that's an awfully big gamble on missing out proven LB help (assuming he is still running strong) if another NFL team courts and recruits him.
 
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quickccc said:
Maybe the KJ Wright possibility signing could happen after the NFL draft when a younger regarded LB that could be selected.
But that's an awfully big gamble on missing out proven LB help (assuming he is still running strong) if another NFL team courts and recruits him.
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I think I read that PFF had him rated as a top 10 LB the last two seasons. Last year he played strong-side, but prior to that he has played the will. The Neal signing as muddled the roster, but they can always mix up the lineups to get the best people in there. Injuries will happen as well. The last 3 seasons, he hasn't missed a game. Certainly would rather sign him over resigning Lee. They are going to have to bring an another starting caliber linebacker due to Lve's health and the loss of Joe Thomas. I figure 1 free agent and 1 found in the draft.
 
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fivetwos said:
Probably comes down to money.

You know as well as I do that the kid won't spend a dime beyond a players "value," probably determined by him.

They want to steal everyone. This way Jerry can continue to overpay his friends.
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They did hand out a decent contract to Neal, higher then what we have seen this off-season.
 
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