Honestly who's upset with the NT and Safety position

rocyaice said:

So that's what my opinion is.....I'd rather go into next years draft looking for FS and DT than this one.....I did not like this draft at all for those positions....I liked Moehrig because he represented value in the 2nd round but he was not a elite safety by any means and to me he doesn't have the ceiling of one either.

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He wasn't even the number 1 safety either. Holland and Grant went before him

btcutter said:

That makes the team. So he's got a 1/5 chance of making the team first then make an impact.

Name the last Cowboy 6th rounder that make an impact in their first year.......Crickets....

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Who said they had to make an impact in their 1st year? Crickets. Usually these are development guys and need coaching to develop.

Rockport said:

Who said they had to make an impact in their 1st year? Crickets. Usually these are development guys and need coaching to develop.

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Still can't answer my question can you? You can even cheat and Google it.
There's a reason why worst team draft 1st. Chances of drafting a better players at top of the draft. Not rocket science.

Zekeats said:

I know a lot of members on here kept preaching how this could finally be the year these 2 positions would be addressed and of course we got nothing. Yeah, don't consider a 6th rounder in a weak draft a solution either. Who here is still furious over this?

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furious lmao wasted emotions for draft picks..lol how bout we wait and see how the picks along with FA and the team left over plays under quinn..

IMHO some of those DB labeled CBs will be up for FA roles..converts coming this gets worked out in OTs, MCs, TC and PS games..

we actually have offseason for evaluation and experiments..

we got DL help all offseason stop the pmsing
Urban 3rd highest rated NFL DT last year, Bashnam, Watkins, Boham-run stuffer and other draft picks to add to existing players..again offseason will shake out the best lineup and rotation..

lets let it fail before proclaiming failure.

Irvin88_4life said:

I think Osa will take Woods place. He is a stout DT that doesn't get moved and plays the run very well while bringing some pass rush as well. People see 280 something and say he is small but he can handle centers and guards

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I like Osa pick. He can play 1 tech or 5 tech DE in 3/4. Ascending player I think.

I think Cox will be moved to safety... a la Darren Woodson.
If he's anything close to what Woodson was, he'll have a job for the next 10 years.

btcutter said:

Still can't answer my question can you? You can even cheat and Google it.
There's a reason why worst team draft 1st. Chances of drafting a better players at top of the draft. Not rocket science.

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You're question has nothing to do with my point so why would I spend time on something I never said?

Not upset, I will give the team time to weed out the less talented, and wait for them to play together. Life is too short, to care about a draft. Talent in college, doesn't always transition to the NFL, and lesser names, sometimes find their niche in the NFL. Everyone in the HOF, was not drafted in the first round.

Starforever said:

Not upset, I will give the team time to weed out the less talented, and wait for them to play together. Life is too short, to care about a draft. Talent in college, doesn't always transition to the NFL, and lesser names, sometimes find their niche in the NFL. Everyone in the HOF, was not drafted in the first round.

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There is more undrafted free agents in the HOF than number 1 overall picks

Shane612 said:

I think Cox will be moved to safety... a la Darren Woodson.
If he's anything close to what Woodson was, he'll have a job for the next 10 years.

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Someone else brought this up as well. I think it's a great idea. Not expecting a Woodson but a very competent SS would be a nice change.
He can play the spy position well against some option QBs.

With Booger in charge of the draft, there have been two positions historically relegated to the back seat, if not the trunk., DT and S.

He has set neither the draft or FA as a priority to address these two positions. Johnson used a 1st overall pick on a DT and Parcells signed the best FA since FA began because they saw the critical need to stop it up the middle first.

Booger doesn't see the DT as sexy and thinks the glamour secondary position is CB when every good D is anchored by strong S play.

The answer is I am upset by the lack of attention to the front and back end of the hourglass of a good run D. Will Parsons anchor the middle of that hourglass? Time will tell but they needed an upgrade to what they have there now. And they need DT's to keep the OL off the MLB.

They ignore the significance of the S position in the draft and ignore the contributions FA players like Washington and Teague made.

But worst of all, they ignore the critical importance of Darren Woodson to the teams he led on D and just what happened when he retired.

Booger, in his quest for stars, completely ignores the star power of Lott, Polamalu, Reed, Taylor, Thomas, Chancellor and Collins and before them Adderly, Harris, Atwater, Krause and Wilson.

I can understand the wide bodies up front not excited him but I believe a great D begins with a great S, he's the QB of the D.

Irvin88_4life said:

He wasn't even the number 1 safety either. Holland and Grant went before him

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Yeah I think people are more heartbroken that the Cowboys didn't get a "name" in the 2nd they knew or heard of because next season I see no reason why Kazee wouldn't be better than him.

Shane612 said:

I think Cox will be moved to safety... a la Darren Woodson.
If he's anything close to what Woodson was, he'll have a job for the next 10 years.

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Woodson was a much better LB than Cox in college and transitioned a lot easier because he could play off blocks. Cox is more one dimensional and does not play the run nearly was well as Woodson did.

But you are probably right about them trying to play him there. He's light for a LB and more of a tweener.

One thing about him, as I watched a lot of Tigers ball, he is a play maker and at opportune times. They did not have their typically good D this past season but he was not the reason why.

Irvin88_4life said:

I think Osa will take Woods place. He is a stout DT that doesn't get moved and plays the run very well while bringing some pass rush as well. People see 280 something and say he is small but he can handle centers and guards

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I read somewhere that he benched 420 and squatted 717. --- I have no real clue if this is correct though.
Since most NFL OL bench over 500 and nearly all OL I have see squat over 7......I am not sure how you think he can stand up giving up an avg of 35lbs on every play.
OL- Avg. Height: 76.75 in Avg. Weight: 314.16 lbs
Most IOL are even heavier though with their need to anchor and usually closer to 330lbs and so he would be giving up 50lbs.

I know there are unicorns like Aaron Donald (3T), but the fact is most people less than 300 lbs cannot play the 1T at a high level. They get man handled.

So maybe Jerry found a unicorn, or maybe Woods and Bohanna will end up playing there most of the time and he is the Crawford replacement.

Howboutdemcowboys31 said:

This draft more than ever they proved they don't care about FS. Moehrig, Holland, Grant were all the board to start day 2. We had the ammo to go and get any of them, instead we watched all them get picked.

I'm ok with the Joseph pick from a talent perspective, we'll see if he stays on a good path off the field, but we had the opportunity to go get a safety instead we blew our third round picks on rotation guys and a guy who probably won't even make the team

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Cb's Lb's and De's are all they care about, the rest are just any guy will do lol.

rocyaice said:

Yeah I think people are more heartbroken that the Cowboys didn't get a "name" in the 2nd they knew or heard of because next season I see no reason why Kazee wouldn't be better than him.

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Heartbroken or hearts on fire this time every year. We're buying and selling players and really don't have enough to go on about how Quinn will run this D or use his players. There's plenty to challenge about this draft but also some things I do like that could surprise us.

And if we are expecting some magical turnaround because of a DC change we need to rethink that. Rome wasn't built in a day and this was Pompeii last season on run D. Quinn has his work all served up for him. He does have the opportunity to be the DCoY, if he can just get this into the top 16.

I will be happy if they just get that run D under control and not make it so easy on even teams that don't like to run the ball. And man, did these OC's all see the weakness on film and come with a plan to exploit that.

As usual, the Cowboys will ride the O as far as that can take them but in order to do that, they cannot let these teams run on them.

In 2020, the Cowboys were 14 total yards from being the worst D against the run. They were also 31st in giving up rushing 1st downs. They also shared something else with the worst teams against the run, draft positions in the top 10.

Irvin88_4life said:

I think Osa will take Woods place. He is a stout DT that doesn't get moved and plays the run very well while bringing some pass rush as well. People see 280 something and say he is small but he can handle centers and guards

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I think osa makes hill a cut option. Gallimore and osa at 3t in base 4-3.

DandyDon52 said:

Cb's Lb's and De's are all they care about, the rest are just any guy will do lol.

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Yep, that has been the MO when Johnson and Parcells weren't here.

CouchCoach said:

Heartbroken or hearts on fire this time every year. We're buying and selling players and really don't have enough to go on about how Quinn will run this D or use his players. There's plenty to challenge about this draft but also some things I do like that could surprise us.

And if we are expecting some magical turnaround because of a DC change we need to rethink that. Rome wasn't built in a day and this was Pompeii last season on run D. Quinn has his work all served up for him. He does have the opportunity to be the DCoY, if he can just get this into the top 16.

I will be happy if they just get that run D under control and not make it so easy on even teams that don't like to run the ball. And man, did these OC's all see the weakness on film and come with a plan to exploit that.

As usual, the Cowboys will ride the O as far as that can take them but in order to do that, they cannot let these teams run on them.

In 2020, the Cowboys were 14 total yards from being the worst D against the run. They were also 31st in giving up rushing 1st downs. They also shared something else with the worst teams against the run, draft positions in the top 10.

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Rome wasn't built in a day true but a DC can have a immediate impact. We saw it for the worse with Nolan and we saw it for the best with the Commanders last year with Rivera.

DandyDon52 said:

Cb's Lb's and De's are all they care about, the rest are just any guy will do lol.

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I’m having trouble reading what your saying with that avatar lol