Dak has ruined this team

eromeopolk · Mar 14, 2022

D4KADON said:
Think about all that we’ve given up for this teams buy in with him

-cap hell for the next decade

-losing out on good players and free agents

-he’s about to get his second coach fired next year

-the 2016 decision to go with him over Romo leading to a first round exit

-squandering the best cowboys team in 20 years with another first round exit due to poor qb play

-cutting or trading players who don’t get along with Dak or we just can’t simply afford them anymore

Think about the following qb option we had the last 2 years

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Russell Wilson
4. Dashaun Watson
5. Matt Stafford

And Dak makes more money than all of them. I know this isn’t all predicated on Dak but it’s kind of hard not to feel that we’ve been cheated out of something since we signed him to this ridiculous deal

Jerry Dumbo GM Jones ruined the Dallas Cowboys starting on March 29, 1994. Its been the Arlington Jonesboys ever since he fired a back to back Super Bowl winning coach.

JohnnyTheFox · Mar 14, 2022

basel90 said:
So bottom line you think Dak is better than Kyler ?
I wish dak had the same success as system or any other QB at OU or at Dallas. Dak does not have such resume .
By the way Kyler's arm is stronger than Dak . You seem to think scrambling and legs are a low factor efficiency factor. It is not,.

Not really no, not even sure how Dak even got brought into the conversation.

CowboysFaninHouston · Mar 14, 2022

basel90 said:
The cap numbers are important. I know you have discounted them for so long claiming there is no one for the cowboys to acquirer out there. Well, guess who did some acquisitions and won the super bowl .
Stafford was keen on dallas as an option but dallas never wavered on dak for some blind ego reason. The result is the rams have a ring and we are hanging on the dak hope you !!
And yes i agree , dak is not the biggest FO mistake,. zeke, Dlaw, amari and others are much bigger mistakes than dak. But i guarantee you, if jerry had engaged stafford ( a dallas native) and let dak walk , we would be in a much better shape.

You keep saying cap is not an issue: well we are losing talent like amari and soon others due to the cap. Be realistic ,and admit the predicament of Dak's contract besides the other misrakes.

I have not discounted the cap. where you and some of the dak haters like yourself keep mentioning 40M cap hit, and not understanding the difference between cap hit and average salary over life of a contract. everyone has to deal with dead cap money at some point, and sometimes all at once (rebuild). what Rams did was sign the right players, mortgage future without draft picks, all for winning a superbowl. worth it if it works. it did for them. didn't for a few others...they will eventually have to pay some of these players and that's when they have to make tough decisions. they did pay goff a contract worth 33M per year, which was the highest at the time.

now, tell me again how 17M cap hit handicapped us? and his cap hit for 2022 is about 18M. I know about future disaster looming for dead cap. but how is these cap hits handicapping us?

stafford may have been keen on dallas. who isn't. they all like to come here and make money and get their paycheck. the problem is that Rams were more superbowl ready with the right QB, than dallas. that was the only thing holding them back. now, I am sure you and some like you will point to us in 2021 and playoff performance against SF and ask would stafford played like that!? , forgetting that if we would have made the trade for Stafford couple of years back as you said, there wouldn't be a diggs, parsons or CD and that wouldn't be the same team. as I said, we would have been Detroit south, with similar results.

btw, its your main assumption that Stafford was available for a trade couple of years back, which is far from the facts and reality.

and in regards to your last comment, we might have been in better shape at QB position, but we would be worse off the rest of the team. and end result would have been the same.

oh, and most importantly don't forget Rams have McVay and we had Garrett. now tell me that if Garrett was head coach of the rams, then they would be superbowl winners this year. come on, tell me if that would be the case.

like I said, you all play fantasy football, just moving pieces in and out and counting fantasy points

disclaimer: By no means I am defending Dak and his play or his ability. this is solely about cap, salary cap management, and signing the right players and having the right coach

basel90 · Mar 14, 2022

CowboysFaninHouston said:
I have not discounted the cap. where you and some of the dak haters like yourself keep mentioning 40M cap hit, and not understanding the difference between cap hit and average salary over life of a contract. everyone has to deal with dead cap money at some point, and sometimes all at once (rebuild). what Rams did was sign the right players, mortgage future without draft picks, all for winning a superbowl. worth it if it works. it did for them. didn't for a few others...they will eventually have to pay some of these players and that's when they have to make tough decisions. they did pay goff a contract worth 33M per year, which was the highest at the time.

now, tell me again how 17M cap hit handicapped us? and his cap hit for 2022 is about 18M. I know about future disaster looming for dead cap. but how is these cap hits handicapping us?

stafford may have been keen on dallas. who isn't. they all like to come here and make money and get their paycheck. the problem is that Rams were more superbowl ready with the right QB, than dallas. that was the only thing holding them back. now, I am sure you and some like you will point to us in 2021 and playoff performance against SF and ask would stafford played like that!? , forgetting that if we would have made the trade for Stafford couple of years back as you said, there wouldn't be a diggs, parsons or CD and that wouldn't be the same team. as I said, we would have been Detroit south, with similar results.

btw, its your main assumption that Stafford was available for a trade couple of years back, which is far from the facts and reality.

and in regards to your last comment, we might have been in better shape at QB position, but we would be worse off the rest of the team. and end result would have been the same.

oh, and most importantly don't forget Rams have McVay and we had Garrett. now tell me that if Garrett was head coach of the rams, then they would be superbowl winners this year. come on, tell me if that would be the case.

like I said, you all play fantasy football, just moving pieces in and out and counting fantasy points

disclaimer: By no means I am defending Dak and his play or his ability. this is solely about cap, salary cap management, and signing the right players and having the right coach

The QB is so important in the NFL . Stafford in one year took the rams to the SB and won.
I am glad you are mellowing on Dak.
Dak is not the major reason for the cap hell as he worked with the team to spread the impact , but at the end , Dak's contract became bad news when it followed worse mistakes like zeke and jaylon etc.

IrishAnto · Mar 14, 2022

D4KADON said:
Think about all that we’ve given up for this teams buy in with him

-cap hell for the next decade

-losing out on good players and free agents

-he’s about to get his second coach fired next year

-the 2016 decision to go with him over Romo leading to a first round exit

-squandering the best cowboys team in 20 years with another first round exit due to poor qb play

-cutting or trading players who don’t get along with Dak or we just can’t simply afford them anymore

Think about the following qb option we had the last 2 years

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Russell Wilson
4. Dashaun Watson
5. Matt Stafford

And Dak makes more money than all of them. I know this isn’t all predicated on Dak but it’s kind of hard not to feel that we’ve been cheated out of something since we signed him to this ridiculous deal

You have no clue

Bigrandrn · Mar 14, 2022

Nexx said:
he's Kirk Cousins all over again. flashy stats against garbage teams, wilts in big games against good teams. zero substance.

edit: at least Kirk knows how to get the ball to his #1 WR.

I think we beat San Fran if Kirk is our QB……

Nexx · Mar 14, 2022

Bigrandrn said:
I think we beat San Fran if Kirk is our QB……

you know what.. you might be right unfortunately.

RomoplusDezEquals7 · Mar 14, 2022

D4KADON said:
thats a lot of excuses

considering Dak had Cooper, lamb, pollard, Wilson, Zeke/pollard and put less points on the 49ers than Justin Fields

I’m well aware of the cap situation of the other qbs but you overlooked one HUGE Thing

ALL of those qbs are BETTER than Prescott

No no no. The cap isn't real, you can manipulate it however you want. Lol.

Just as many of us said the contract was a mistake and you are now seeing talent leave this team because they chose to pay their average QB premium money. Then instead of admitting their mistake they double down. So now people point to "well he only has a 19 million cap hit this year." Yeah he does, but now it's 49 million next year and then 52 the year after that. Last year was their best chance and Dak crapped the bed with 3 timeouts and 3 minutes left. Silliness.

RomoplusDezEquals7 · Mar 14, 2022

5Stars said:
He's special...love him...he needs it.

Don't make Daks fans mad...we must really see the greatness in his actions.

As Stephen said, they just have to put Dak in better situations. Just keep working to make it as easy on Dak as they can. That's the sound of a franchise "elite" QB right there. Lol. Sounds like he's talking about a 4th round draft pick. Oh wait.

Dorsett33 · Mar 14, 2022

Vtwin said:
What?

They offered him at least two deals and he refused, holding out for the deal he eventually signed. The only way they could have signed him earlier is if they offered the deal he eventually signed.

He played on the tag for less than he would have received had he signed the 35 million/yr deal he was offered.

They were never going to be able to sign him cheaper than they eventually did. He played hardball and the Cowboys caved, just like they did with Zeke.

Unless you were part of negotiations, you and I don't know. People kill me thinking they know everything behind closed doors. Dak did not request 40mil from the start....period!

AtomicDog · Mar 14, 2022

I don't approve of this thread.

CowboysFaninHouston · Mar 14, 2022

basel90 said:
The QB is so important in the NFL . Stafford in one year took the rams to the SB and won.
I am glad you are mellowing on Dak.
Dak is not the major reason for the cap hell as he worked with the team to spread the impact , but at the end , Dak's contract became bad news when it followed worse mistakes like zeke and jaylon etc.

yes, QB is important, that's why they are over paid. when wentz gets a 134M contract, it should tell you all. again, you assume just because stafford wanted to come to dallas that detroit was willing to trade him two years ago coming off of a 9-7 season. as you said, QB is the most important position, so why trade one of the top players?

and Rams were much more superbowl ready than the cowboys were. they also had McVay one of the best football minds in NFL. all facts you choose to ignore, given it seems like you just want to count the points in your fantasy football team.

and all the blame goes to Jerry and Stephen. I refuse to hate on any player unlike some of you. the players is what he is. its his job to ask for as much as he can. its the GM's responsibility to recognize talent and sign the right players to right contracts and bring in the right coaches. so I don't hate dak. I am not happy about him being the QB of cowboys but the job Jones' are doing is the root cause of all the misery we have suffered over the years.

TNCowboy · Mar 14, 2022

D4KADON said:
Think about all that we’ve given up for this teams buy in with him

-cap hell for the next decade

-losing out on good players and free agents

-he’s about to get his second coach fired next year

-the 2016 decision to go with him over Romo leading to a first round exit

-squandering the best cowboys team in 20 years with another first round exit due to poor qb play

-cutting or trading players who don’t get along with Dak or we just can’t simply afford them anymore

Think about the following qb option we had the last 2 years

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Russell Wilson
4. Dashaun Watson
5. Matt Stafford

And Dak makes more money than all of them. I know this isn’t all predicated on Dak but it’s kind of hard not to feel that we’ve been cheated out of something since we signed him to this ridiculous deal

Has nothing to do with Dak. It's the one who signed him.

TequilaCowboy · Mar 14, 2022

Jake said:
Dak made all of those decisions, including signing himself to an extension?

Seems to me that's the handiwork of two men who have produced 3 playoff wins in the last 25 years.

Right on... . i agree that Dak is not the franchise type QB material and gets exposed when up against good teams. But the culprits are Jerry and Stephen. Both in way over their heads as far as building a championship team. Hence, their ceiling is just to compete for the weak NFCE division title. That is all you get from these two.

BlueStar22 · Mar 14, 2022

Yall dumb.

kevm3 · Mar 14, 2022

Dak is one of the few reasons this team isn't Miami Dolphins or Detroit Lions status. What winning were we doing when Dak was on the bench?

Aaron Rodgers just signed for more than Dak to the tune of 10 mill more per year, scored less than Dak against the 49ers, but somehow that's never brought up. Justin Herbert didn't make the play-offs. Russell Wilson hasn't done much lately and there's very little probability he'd even want to be here. Tom Brady doesn't want to be here. Matt Stafford hasn't won a playoff game until he got to the Rams and his career has been nearly double Dak's. He barely beat the 49ers and certainly wouldn't have beat them if his team had 14 penalties. Kyler Murray is better as is Mahomes, but there's zero probability of them coming here and they likely would have demanded a salary even higher than Dak's. We had several years of Dak on an ultra cheap, under a mill a year contract and the FO did NOTHING except sign bargains that never made the team.

vlad · Mar 14, 2022

underdark said:
Spelled Zeke wrong.

Spelled Stephen wrong

Vtwin · Mar 14, 2022

Dorsett33 said:
Unless you were part of negotiations, you and I don't know. People kill me thinking they know everything behind closed doors. Dak did not request 40mil from the start....period!

LOL

Unless you were part of the negotiations you and I don't know.....

But.

You know what he did or didn't ask for...

Makes perfect sense.

Dorsett33 · Mar 14, 2022

Vtwin said:
LOL

Unless you were part of the negotiations you and I don't know.....

But.

You know what he did or didn't ask for...

Makes perfect sense.

No we don't....that's what you want to believe....lol

Cmac · Mar 15, 2022

rocyaice said:
I like how we blame Dak for signing himself to a contract or the fact we haven't won anything in 27 years....

rocyaice......base wants underpaid players. Wait until Beast Parson comes off the rookie contract. Watch the love drop.

Dak has ruined this team

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