Recap: Bobby Belt on Kelvin Joseph

phildadon86 · Jul 19, 2022

Brax said:
It will not be WM he only picks the good one’s

Imagine if they drafted Samuel Jr, or JOK? JOK and Parsons in the same draft would have been something. Instead. Waste a top of a round pick on a guy with issues.

What a joke. Stephen also came out publicly and said that Joseph was their guy regardless if Moerhig fell. What does that tell you about whos pick it was?

Brax · Jul 19, 2022

phildadon86 said:
Imagine if they drafted Samuel Jr, or JOK? JOK and Parsons in the same draft would have been something. Instead. Waste a top of a round pick on a guy with issues.

What a joke. Stephen also came out publicly and said that Joseph was their guy regardless if Moerhig fell. What does that tell you about whos pick it was?

The 3 stooges run the draft

phildadon86 · Jul 19, 2022

Brax said:
The 3 stooges run the draft

They have been taking chances in the second round way before McClay was around. So I find it hard to blame him.

LucaBrasi · Jul 19, 2022

A lot of warning flags were there pre draft, they chose to ignore it.

that does happen everywhere, but happens more often here, when the GM and VP of player personnel have 0 accountability or fear of losing their jobs.

MyFairLady · Jul 19, 2022

I was worried last year but I was told I had nothing to worry about. Can I be worried now?

817Gill · Jul 19, 2022

Whiskey Cowboy said:
I'm sorry, but who is Bobby Belt and what makes him qualified to report on Dallas personnel? Joseph was quiet last season. When he did make it onto the field, he played really well at corner, and he's been praised by the coaching staff for his work ethic this offseason. He's an idiot for hanging out with the wrong crowd, but nothing about what we saw last season leads me to believe anything this guy is saying.

The mob mentality being displayed in this thread...it's concerning. Are we just going to believe everything some random dude says because it fits a profile we've been given? I'm more bothered by this than anything that was said about Kelvin Joseph.

Preach!

817Gill · Jul 19, 2022

Stash said:
I think the key thing to keep in mind is ‘if this stuff is true’.

The guy that was on the field last year looked eager, prepared, and talented. And ‘like he could play’. That’s all that I can say based on what I know.

Exactly

DogFace · Jul 19, 2022

Some people are just ***holes. Kelvin Joseph seems to be one of those.

But if he can play me, the coaches, and others concerned will have to deal with it.

America's Cowboy · Jul 19, 2022

quickccc said:
No, Barmore is not a NT. ..he's not a 1 tech.
He's more of a 3 tech and a noted pass rusher coming out of Alabama.

If he was drafted here, he would've been likely a 3 tech.

Go watch Barmore's highlights from 2021 which I posted earlier in this thread. There were some plays, including against us, where Barmore lined up as a NT right over Center.

I understand he plays mostly a 3-tech due to the 4 man alignment being run, but Barmore also has been played at NT during a 3 man alignment.

phildadon86 · Jul 19, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
Go watch Barmore's highlights from 2021 which I posted earlier in this thread. There were some plays, including against us, where Barmore lined up as a NT right over Center.

I understand he plays mostly a 3-tech due to the 4 man alignment being run, but Barmore also has been played at NT during a 3 man alignment.

Parsons and JOK in the same draft was possible.

We got Kelvin Joseph.

America's Cowboy · Jul 19, 2022

Typhus said:
Not my argument or debate, but NE considers him a NT, at least thats how they have Barmore listed on their depth chart.

They don't want to hear that. You just ruined their party. lol

I was going to post that, but I decided to wait until someone else noticed and mentioned it. But, hey, the online couch coaches know more.
:laugh:

America's Cowboy · Jul 19, 2022

phildadon86 said:
Imagine if they drafted Samuel Jr, or JOK? JOK and Parsons in the same draft would have been something. Instead. Waste a top of a round pick on a guy with issues.

What a joke. Stephen also came out publicly and said that Joseph was their guy regardless if Moerhig fell. What does that tell you about whos pick it was?

MyFairLady · Jul 19, 2022

Joseph has been an immature dope since the day he arrived. I highly doubt anything has changed.

MyFairLady · Jul 19, 2022

I remember his lame *** tweets about how missing practices is nobodies business. What a turd.

quickccc · Jul 19, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
Go watch Barmore's highlights from 2021 which I posted earlier in this thread. There were some plays, including against us, where Barmore lined up as a NT right over Center.

I understand he plays mostly a 3-tech due to the 4 man alignment being run, but Barmore also has been played at NT during a 3 man alignment.

We may see Gallimore lining up as either a NT in our own Quinn's defense in the 3 man "base" defense, but is he truly a NT .. we may see Gallimore lining up as
a one tech in the 4 man front, but is he truly a 1 tech ?

With the Pats depth chart, you may see it listed as 3-4 in media guides, but you wouldn't believe how much 4 man fronts they actually will run.

Hypothetically , If we had packaged a trade up to draft Bama's Christian Barmore at that time,.do you think we'd be doing that for a NT/1 tech guy.
especially the way we have such little disregard for that particular role ?

America's Cowboy · Jul 19, 2022

quickccc said:
We may see Gallimore lining up as either a NT in our own Quinn's defense in the 3 man "base" defense, but is he truly a NT .. we may see Gallimore lining up as
a one tech in the 4 man front, but is he truly a 1 tech ?

With the Pats depth chart, you may see it listed as 3-4 in media guides, but you wouldn't believe how much 4 man fronts they actually will run.

Hypothetically , If we had packaged a trade up to draft Bama's Christian Barmore at that time,.do you think we'd be doing that for a NT/1 tech guy.
especially the way we have such little disregard for that particular role ?

Go watch the Patriots' roster chart. They have Christian Barmore listed as their NT. Are you going to say you know more than the Patriots themselves?

To answer your question, if we had Barmore and Dan Quinn ran more of a 3-5 alignment, you'd better believe Barmore would be used as a NT.

quickccc · Jul 19, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
Go watch Barmore's highlights from 2021 which I posted earlier in this thread. There were some plays, including against us, where Barmore lined up as a NT right over Center.

I understand he plays mostly a 3-tech due to the 4 man alignment being run, but Barmore also has been played at NT during a 3 man alignment.

https://***USER-BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2...xt=Barmore has the skill set,in a 4-3 defense.

" Barmore's best fit in the NFL would be as a three-technique in a 4-3 defense.
In a 3-4, he could play as a defensive end who rushes from the inside in the sub package.
Barmore played both end and tackle at Alabama, demonstrating the athletic versatility to get after the quarterback from both positions.
As a pro in typical NFL sub packages, which are played 70 percent of snaps, Barmore would fit as a one-gap penetrating pass-rusher on the inside of the line."

quickccc · Jul 19, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
Go watch the Patriots' roster chart. They have Christian Barmore listed as their NT. Are you going to say you know more than the Patriots themselves?

To answer your question, if we had Barmore and Dan Quinn ran more of a 3-5 alignment, you'd better believe Barmore would be used as a NT.

of course they'll have him "listed" as a NT, but that wasn't his game coming out of Bama, his value wasn't run defense- it was as a pass rusher.
that's how he got the comparisons to Chris Jones - coming out of ' Bama.
And is Chris Jones a NT or 1 tech ?

G2 · Jul 19, 2022

Someday we'll have a front office & staff that can draft a 2nd rounder that contributes an entire season.

America's Cowboy · Jul 19, 2022

quickccc said:
https://***USER-BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1***/scoutingreport2021cbarmore.php#:~:text=Barmore has the skill set,in a 4-3 defense.

" Barmore's best fit in the NFL would be as a three-technique in a 4-3 defense.
In a 3-4, he could play as a defensive end who rushes from the inside in the sub package.
Barmore played both end and tackle at Alabama, demonstrating the athletic versatility to get after the quarterback from both positions.
As a pro in typical NFL sub packages, which are played 70 percent of snaps, Barmore would fit as a one-gap penetrating pass-rusher on the inside of the line."

I don't give a d--n what any outsider thinks. The bottom line, the Patriots themselves have Barmore listed as a NT. That means their defensive guru Head Coach, Bill Belichick, regards Christian Barmore as a NT who is versatile enough to play different positions during different alignments during games.

Are you saying you know more than Bill Belichick?
:muttley:

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