Michael Irvin: I would consider bringing in Manziel

robjay04 · Jan 8, 2016

jimnabby said:
Sure it's in line with guys who played years ago; the game was very different then and completion percentages were much lower. But if we look at recent QBs:

Peyton: Under 60% his first season, never again.
Brady, Rodgers, Romo, Wilson, Rivers, Palmer: Never under 60%.
Roethlisberger: a couple seasons at 59.7% and 59.9%, but well over 60% in his first 2 seasons.
Brees: Over 60% his first year, down at 58% his second year (still better than Manziel), but never again.
Cam: 60.0% and 57.7% his first two years, but he was also averaging 8 yards per attempt vs. Manziel's 6.5.
Bridgewater: 64% and 65%
Derek Carr: 58% and 61%
RG3: 66% and 60%
Flacco: 60% and 63%
Ryan: 61% and 58%

I'll also note that the guys whose numbers are closest to Manziel's were doing it over full seasons, instead of not being able to get on the field over really marginal competition.

If the best you can say about his actual on-field performance is that it's not really all that much worse than his peers at the same stage, it's really hard for me to understand how you can justify taking on the other risks associated with Manziel.

Thing is when a QB only plays limited snaps, judging solely on his numbers (especially when he is on an offense with minimal talent) is not fair.

I am guessing that if you take one game away from this season, you can get him over that 60 percent thresh hold. Truly, I haven't watched all of the games to know if it is due to inaccuracy or dropped passes. I do know he is young and has had limited opportunities(on a bad team) for anybody to really judge him. The only point I was originally trying to make is that the team should judge him based on his play and not let any feelings they have or had for him be the deciding factor. I never said he was an all star but saying he stinks after 8 games is a little off base IMO.

People I have seem that have seen every snap this season have come away impressed.

jterrell · Jan 8, 2016

KJJ said:
It only figures Irvin who had his own issues would support bringing in Manziel. Just over a week ago it was reported that Manziel missed some treatment because he was in Vegas. He's gone from Johnny Football to Johnny Bench to Johnny Rehab to Johnny Vegas. The guy wants to mix partying with playing football. You can't bank on anyone who has a drug or alcohol problem especially at the QB position. The pressure of the position drives them right back to the problem that's how they cope with it.

That's fair... but perhaps Johnny said if you are gonna hit me with a bogus concussion benching then I am out of here and went to Vegas.
No one is questioning that he is a mess or a kid but writing off talent can be a very bad decision. Lots of knuckleheads have own Super Bowls.
Including our own Mr Irvin.

No issue with fans disagreeing with him but the reality is he is the one with the rings and the one with direct knowledge of how things play in the locker room.

Sarge · Jan 8, 2016

Shut your pie hole Mike.

KJJ · Jan 8, 2016

jterrell said:
That's fair... but perhaps Johnny said if you are gonna hit me with a bogus concussion benching then I am out of here and went to Vegas.
No one is questioning that he is a mess or a kid but writing off talent can be a very bad decision. Lots of knuckleheads have own Super Bowls.
Including our own Mr Irvin.

No issue with fans disagreeing with him but the reality is he is the one with the rings and the one with direct knowledge of how things play in the locker room.

Who's to say it was a bogus concussion? With all the scrutiny placed on concussions they're going to error on the side of caution. If Johnny's attitude is if you're going to bench me I'll show you and head to Vegas then his issues must be a lot deeper than most realize. An NFL QB can't afford to be a knucklehead especially when they're drafted to be the face of your franchise. He's going to be out of the league if he keeps this crap up.

The Quest for Six · Jan 8, 2016

Somebody please drug test Michael Irvin....he's lost it AGAIN!!

robjay04 · Jan 8, 2016

KJJ said:
Who's to say it was a bogus concussion? With all the scrutiny placed on concussions they're going to error on the side of caution. If Johnny's attitude is if you're going to bench me I'll show you and head to Vegas then his issues must be a lot deeper than most realize. An NFL QB can't afford to be a knucklehead especially when they're drafted to be the face of your franchise. He's going to be out of the league if he keeps this crap up.

Let's be fair, the Cleveland head coach has never treated Manziel as a franchise QB for whatever reason. It could be because he didn't practice well but I don't consider anyone associated with the Browns coaching staff a good judge of talent. I am not excusing going to Vegas before a game (if he did) but I could understand why he would be aggravated after how he has been treated by the coaching staff in Cleveland.

Redball Express · Jan 8, 2016

Alexander said:
If you take the time to read Irvin's comments, he is not unreasonable in what he is saying.

Gronkowski blows up the dance floor, it's cute. Manziel does it, he is raping and pillaging.

What he does not seem to get is that you do not do that when you are a celebrity QB.

To me..and I was Psyche major in college..

Manxiel shows clasdic Approach Avoidence complex

He wants to be a leader but when it comes to actually having to commit to what is asked..
he rebels.

He goes and does exactly the opposite just to prove he is in control.

And to get attention..

Of course it is the wrong tupe of attention and very self-destructive.

So he needs help and things should smooth out.

His athletic ability has allowed him to get away with this but now he had to be aware and take control.

Its obvious to me he has the skills..just not the leverage yet.

That comes with age.

KJJ · Jan 8, 2016

robjay04 said:
Let's be fair, the Cleveland head coach has never treated Manziel as a franchise QB for whatever reason. It could be because he didn't practice well but I don't consider anyone associated with the Browns coaching staff a good judge of talent. I am not excusing going to Vegas before a game (if he did) but I could understand why he would be aggravated after how he has been treated by the coaching staff in Cleveland.

Cleveland's head coach gave Manziel every opportunity to be the Browns QB his rookie year but he lost out to Brian Hoyer. This past offseason Manziel spent part of it in rehab for a drinking problem no organization is going to trust a player to be their starting QB who could end up in a drunken stupor during the season because of an alcohol dependency. All the concerns about Manziel coming out of college have come to fruition in the NFL. The Browns were stupid enough to fall for the Manziel hype and Jerry almost did the same thing.

Manziel has done nothing but embarrass the Browns an organization where everyone has failed including Bill Belichick. No team has gone through more starting QBs the past 20 years than Cleveland who's still looking to replace Bernie Kosar. Once they get through with a QB they're ruined. It wouldn't surprise me to see Jerry go after Manziel thinking he can save him with the player program the Cowboys have. Manziel is on the brink of destroying his NFL career any more of these TMZ video's with him acting like an idiot partying or having to go back to rehab and he'll be done.

JoeKing · Jan 8, 2016

Manziel's problem is not being able to separate life in the fast lane from being a high performance athlete. His addiction to alcohol apparently still has a hold on too much of his off the field time. As long as he's making impromptu trips to Las Vegas rather than tending to business, he's not ready to make the commitment to be a professional QB. I'd rather have RG3.

Thorsson · Jan 8, 2016

robjay04 said:
I throw his on the field play out the window. He has only started 8 games in his career for one of the worst organizations in sports. He has shown some improvement and potential in those 8 games(what little I have seen). I would bet his numbers in his first 8 games are in line with some great QBs.

I would also argue most of us probably don't know a lot about his play either since I know I don't watch a lot of Browns football, I am sure the same can be said about many of us passing judgement.

You are correct, in that Manziel plays for the worst-managed franchise in the NFL. The Browns have been known to ruin any QB that plays for them. Tim Couch nearly got killed starting for them their first years as an expansion team, and they nearly got Weeden killed. The Browns top three receivers this year averaged like 5'9" and 175 lbs. With that said, who knows how good Manziel would be in Dallas or any other team?

MRV52 · Jan 8, 2016

PJTHEDOORS said:
Manziel's career 57% completion rating, and 74% qb rating is a must have. I'd trade the #4 pick to get him here.

With what a total of 5 games? :facepalm:

He is better than any backup Qb we had on this team and better than Goff. Kid has to get his head right which I believe he will, because it would be his last chance and Dallas is Dallas not Cleveland.

gmoney112 · Jan 8, 2016

Irvin just wants another connect in case he forgets his stash.

PJTHEDOORS · Jan 9, 2016

rat2k8 said:
With what a total of 5 games? He is better than any backup Qb we had on this team and better than Goff. Kid has to get his head right which I believe he will, because it would be his last chance and Dallas is Dallas not Cleveland.

As your opinion is better in your ears. :facepalm:

coult44 · Jan 9, 2016

Alexander said:
If you take the time to read Irvin's comments, he is not unreasonable in what he is saying.

Gronkowski blows up the dance floor, it's cute. Manziel does it, he is raping and pillaging.

What he does not seem to get is that you do not do that when you are a celebrity QB.

Still makes me think Johnny did everything he did to make Cleveland cut him. Not a bad strategy , LOL

windjc · Jan 9, 2016

The biggest problem with Manziel isn't his off field behavior. Its his lack of talent. Seems like lots of Cowboys fan grossly OVERRATE his talent because of his college performance. But the kid is small, has a weak arm and the skills he used in college - like his feet - are useless in the NFL. He was never going to be a pro QB. How anyone thinks different always confused me.

jobberone · Jan 9, 2016

Alexander said:
Huge and key point. Who is going to reign him in? Jerry Jones? Jason Garrett?

Randy White will adopt him.....no he'd hurt him eventually.

You can't trust the guy and QB is the one of the positions you can't have a Lawrence Taylor at. Manziel has the talent. He has an addiction problem and no judgment even throwing out the addiction problem.

Why waste your time on someone who will hurt you in the end no matter what you do. And no he's not calming down anytime soon.

Bullflop · Jan 9, 2016

I think it's safe to say that Michael Irvin will never be a candidate to hold a GM post in the NFL.

RW31 · Jan 9, 2016

Mike needs to shut the **** up. Its easy to say oh just give him a shot who cares. Until youre the guy that is responsible for it if things dont work out, if it becomes a nightmare, which it will. Of course Mike doesnt have to worry about that since he doesnt own a team. Stick to your NFL.com gig...

IAmLegend · Jan 9, 2016

windjc said:
The biggest problem with Manziel isn't his off field behavior. Its his lack of talent. Seems like lots of Cowboys fan grossly OVERRATE his talent because of his college performance. But the kid is small, has a weak arm and the skills he used in college - like his feet - are useless in the NFL. He was never going to be a pro QB. How anyone thinks different always confused me.

Not to stand up for Manziel here, but this part I disagree with.

jobberone · Jan 9, 2016

Bullflop said:
I think it's safe to say that Michael Irvin will never be a candidate to hold a GM post in the NFL.

Doesn't play to his strengths although I'd pick the phone up and call him about a WR.

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