Garrett- perfect puppet for Jerry

CATCH17 said:

Jerry wants someone he can control but that he also likes.

Sean Payton is the guy but then the problem is Jerry doesn't believe in paying coaches and someone will give Payton a ton of money.

Jerry's ego is our problem Monday-Saturday and Jason Garrett is our problem on Sunday's.

You can't just win on talent alone anymore because the salary cap doesn't allow teams to stockpile talent so coaching is at an all time importance and we just lack coaches that scheme well.

I think our coaches are great at teaching the fundamentals but there is no next step. It's just fundamental football and if it doesn't work we just take the L.

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Never understood that rational, coach pay is off the books, doesn't count against the Cap.. its Jerrys biggest blunder, and might be his legacy.

CATCH17 said:

He's had too much time and got nothing accomplished. IT's time to move on.

Our GM is putting teams that are more then good enough to make some playoff noise with and our coaches can't do anything with it.

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Who chooses those coaches?
There’s where the ultimate blame lies.

Diehardblues said:

We were a borderline top 10 defense which a run oriented offense propped up. But not enough to carry a bottom tier offense further.

Now if we’d had that type of defense when we had a top 5-10 offense then we’d of been a bigger threat.

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*Ha,durn -tootin'& damn -right in concernment of some of those previously above mentioned defensive upper tiered placement rankings feathered in our cap( i.e. that prior elevated run defense we'd seemingly been bestowed with was solely due, being the recipient thereof,by the porousness of the vaunted bend butt don't break defensive arrayed scheme having been fielded, I mean why the hell would an opponent even wanna' ground/ pound in ground attack mode ( in an consistent fashion) when that 8 to 12 yard pass play pick up is a guaranteed gimme' on just about any given play?

* man, that last minute of the first half of that K.C. game a season or so back has permanently fried my bacon





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Diehardblues said:

Fans have to look past Garrett’s field general weaknesses for his greater contribution as a walk around advisor to our GM. The influences over Jerry in the culture of our team and franchise are Garretts greatest assets to the Dallas Cowboys.

Garrett’s asset is propping up our dysfunctionally led franchise from the distractions which would be in total shambles like it was before Parcells resurrected it from the ashes because Jerry is unwilling to let anyone else run football operations including his son. And doesn’t want a more reputable HC who could receive more credit like Jimmy did.

Garrett’s criticism feeds perfectly into Jerry’s agenda. Jerry can handle and deflect the public outcry unlike anyone I can recall in recent sports history. The more criticism Garrett takes the more credit Jerry could receive if they have more success.

As long as Garrett can prevent the team from collapsing remaining relevant , Jerry can continue freewheeling and manage the rest.

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dude, I wish JJ had never bought the team, but I can't JG down for working with JJ

I don't know there's a coach that could walk into the glass house of Jerry world and do better. we have no idea how much power or influence JG has with his staff or the FO, it's probably rather twisted

the calls for Garrett's head are far less than we heard for Landry's ... the mob is rarely right and always frustrated
GMs, HCs, QBs, will always be targets of criticism, because we all know we each could have done better

say what you will of JG, his teams play hard,
when JG was HC and OC the wrap was he was pass happy
they hire Scott and tell him to run the ball, so now many complain JG isn't aggressive enough
many just want a type A boss screaming on the sidelines

the FO makes the coach, not the other way around
try drawing up pass protection with a RT that can't pass block, a weakling at LG, a makeshift C, and rookie TEs ...

does anyone really think getting that bunch to the playoffs was easy?
and JG should have magically schemed a way to blocked Sue and Donald with Looney and Williams?
I'd have a better chance covering Amari.

we have the highest paid OL in history - they got hurt - gave up 56 sacks and couldn't get Zeke 50y in a playoff game
our 3rd rate DTs get pushed for 270 rushing yards on ground to end their season
is that bad coaching? or a bad FO? a ad medical staff ? or just life in the NFL?

IMO - it's the FO

Doomsday101 said:

I learned from playing sports from a kid into my early 20's anytime you step on the playing field their can only be 2 outcomes success or failure I'm not afraid of disappointment it is part of any game you play. As for the high expectation yes I think this team has the talent on both sides to make a run if they fail they fail but just based on my own views I think they have the chances this season to make a real run.


I still find if funny when people will say pump the breaks on enthusiasm of a player or the team in general, I can deal with disappointment if they fall short. Only times I have ever been furious with this team is when they have quit on themselves, the coaches and the organization. There have been many seasons when looking at the overall talent that I did not expect much but still expected them to play hard. This season as I mentioned I see enough talent on both sides to feel they have a legit chance. We will see how it goes

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That’s fine to have that eternal optimism like Jerry portrays as long as you don’t expect retribution when they aren’t met.

Diehardblues said:

That’s fine to have that eternal optimism like Jerry portrays as long as you don’t expect retribution when they aren’t met.

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I don't have eternal optimism, as I said there have been teams that my expectation were not high and did not feel they had the talent to win. This current team I think is ready, they are a young team who has tasted some success and disappointment. It falls to them to learn from the disappointment and take that next step. I don't put the disappointment of the last 25 years on their backs

The dark side of the force among Cowboys fans for JG is something that Emperor JJ thrives on. I think he likes that negative energy flowing from the fans. It's a built-in deflection to go to if the Cowboys have a bad season.

Diehardblues said:

Fans have to look past Garrett’s field general weaknesses for his greater contribution as a walk around advisor to our GM. The influences over Jerry in the culture of our team and franchise are Garretts greatest assets to the Dallas Cowboys.

Garrett’s asset is propping up our dysfunctionally led franchise from the distractions which would be in total shambles like it was before Parcells resurrected it from the ashes because Jerry is unwilling to let anyone else run football operations including his son. And doesn’t want a more reputable HC who could receive more credit like Jimmy did.

Garrett’s criticism feeds perfectly into Jerry’s agenda. Jerry can handle and deflect the public outcry unlike anyone I can recall in recent sports history. The more criticism Garrett takes the more credit Jerry could receive if they have more success.

As long as Garrett can prevent the team from collapsing remaining relevant , Jerry can continue freewheeling and manage the rest.

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despite all the garrett hate, and the time it took for him to learn....I fully agree that working with Jerry is his biggest asset and I often argued that he would make a better GM than a headcoach, but perhaps in a different title in Cowboys organization since Jerry is the GM, even when he dies, he will control things from the beyond. when people talk about other coaches, etc. they never take into account having to work with Jerry-Meddling. no coach has survived that for long.

Rockport said:

Nothing better for you to do but crap on the Cowboys......again.

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Diehardblues said:

My intention was to shine a brighter light on Garrett.

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Yeah, sure.

Diehardblues said:

Fans have to look past Garrett’s field general weaknesses for his greater contribution as a walk around advisor to our GM. The influences over Jerry in the culture of our team and franchise are Garretts greatest assets to the Dallas Cowboys.

Garrett’s asset is propping up our dysfunctionally led franchise from the distractions which would be in total shambles like it was before Parcells resurrected it from the ashes because Jerry is unwilling to let anyone else run football operations including his son. And doesn’t want a more reputable HC who could receive more credit like Jimmy did.

Garrett’s criticism feeds perfectly into Jerry’s agenda. Jerry can handle and deflect the public outcry unlike anyone I can recall in recent sports history. The more criticism Garrett takes the more credit Jerry could receive if they have more success.

As long as Garrett can prevent the team from collapsing remaining relevant , Jerry can continue freewheeling and manage the rest.

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But if you listen to Jerry now, he seems pretty sure he's put together a SB caliber roster. So at some point, he is going to demand results and won't be able to cover for Garrett much longer. I think he can be loyal to a fault but he's also not stupid. He's likely going to realize in short order (if he hasn't already) he might have a coaching issue.

I think he likes Garrett a lot and thinks he can give him a good enough roster and give him good assistants and it will overcome whatever deficiencies Garrett has. But at some point, if everything Jerry has done isn't working, he's going to make the call on Garrett. It could come after this season if Garrett doesn't deliver.

FWIW, I tend to agree that we have a pretty good roster that could make noise with the proper coaching. SB? Not sure about that but this team definitely should be better than they were in 2018.

So when JG gets fired next season, what the narrative then?

GMO415 said:

So when JG gets fired next season, what the narrative then?

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Why are you anticipating things going so wrong for the Cowboys that JG gets fired? Do you not see the improvements being made to the team?

Even if JG did get fired, we've been down that road before and already know the narrative. Going from Gailey to Campos to Parcells, 3 HCs in 5 years, has been done. JJ does not want to go back there so it would have to get very bad before he fired JG.

visionary said:

JG ain’t going anywhere
JJ and JG had a convenient fall guy in Linehan who took the fall for last year
They have a convent fall guy in our current DC and another convenient excuse in a new young OC
Those will be the reasons (along with the always convenient “you can’t build a team in only ‘x’ years) this off season

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There is also another reason JJ can use. If we make the playoffs this year then we likely will be winning the division. JJ can say that we are the first team in the East to win the division back to back years in a long time..

GMO415 said:

So when JG gets fired next season, what the narrative then?

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If he is fired I would expect to see a lot of changes and a season of learning a new system being put in place. I know Peyton name gets bantered around but should the Saints advance to the SB why would NO not extend him? Also with Drew Brees on the tail end why would they not want Payton to help in developing Drew replacement? I would think if Garrett were to get fired his replacement would be someone who has worked at an OC or DC or a College HC who has had some success. I think rumors of Sean Payton took a life of it's own but I think it would be highly unlikely

JoeKing said:

Why are you anticipating things going so wrong for the Cowboys that JG gets fired? Do you not see the improvements being made to the team?

Even if JG did get fired, we've been down that road before and already know the narrative. Going from Gailey to Campos to Parcells, 3 HCs in 5 years, has been done. JJ does not want to go back there so it would have to get very bad before he fired JG.

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Why are you assuming JG getting fired means Dallas had a bad season? History has shown winning coaches still get canned.

GMO415 said:

Why are you assuming JG getting fired means Dallas had a bad season? History has shown winning coaches still get canned.

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It can happen but unless their is a rift between HC and Owner that is seldom the case.

Diehardblues said:

Yep

Most of all it still places Jerry in position to receive the credit he’s been pursuing since Jimmy left.

I don’t believe Jerry would want a Payton coming in and stealing his thunder?

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I think that JJ knows at some point to get what he wants that he may have to get a legit HC and let him do his job. Then he can jump in and steal the HC thunder. JJ and Johnson both had big egos.. He has to pick one that don't mind. Or he can fire and hire new OC and DC that can put them over the top and bypass the HC.. Kind of whats happening now.. LOL..

Doomsday101 said:

It can happen but unless their is a rift between HC and Owner that is seldom the case.

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I think by the Joneses not signing him and the timing of Sean Payton's contract ending means he's going to be fired. This season JG is coaching for his next prospect

GMO415 said:

Why are you assuming JG getting fired means Dallas had a bad season? History has shown winning coaches still get canned.

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JG is JJ's huckleberry. JJ understands his time on this earth is growing short and he most likely doesn't have time to reset with another HC. He doesn't want to go through the 3 ring circus that the media creates every time we switch HCs. Unless he has an iron clad understanding with someone like Sean Peyton to come aboard, I don't see JG's job in jeopardy if the Cowboys have a good season.

Now that I've answered your question, please be a gentleman by answering my question with and answer rather than a question.