News: PFT: Ezekiel Elliott has privately said that he's planning a training-camp holdout

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DuncanIso said:
Its the lesson that was learned many years ago.

You pay elite RB's what they are worth.

Jerry remembers.

He'll pay Zeke.

Or we can struggle to another 0-2 start.

Either way, Zeke will be paid. It just a matter of how much pain Jerry wants to experience.
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This ain't 1993.
 

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DuncanIso said:
Its the lesson that was learned many years ago.

You pay elite RB's what they are worth.

Jerry remembers.

He'll pay Zeke.

Or we can struggle to another 0-2 start.

Either way, Zeke will be paid. It just a matter of how much pain Jerry wants to experience.
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jerry is not the one who will have the pain it will be the fans when the cowboys don't make the playoffs and win like 6 or 7 games at best
 
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Tussinman said:
He literally has zero leverage.

His current deal is #1 at his position for fully guaranteed and #3 at his position or total guaranteed. He's already getting top 5 money as his position + like you said this isn't even the final year of his deal (it's not like he's fretting about not having a job in 6 months, he has 2 full seasons left).
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Ya,and that's what's totally mind blowing about this 'news' blurt,,,if it's got any shred of truth to it, I'm all for the idiot sitting it out,,,go ahead #21, show them tight wads exactly just who the hell their dealing with,,,er,,,while yer' stupidly missing out in adding to your already well established body of career works, all the while the dawning realization strikes upon you,that the current cash you deem not enough to play football for will never be recouped and thru a mental meltdown while out tooling the celebrity's night life club circuit scenes ,you rack up more future legal/ criminal charges slapped to yer' breakfast biscuit,,,go ahead,do it broo_O:rolleyes:o_O
 

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DuncanIso said:
Its the lesson that was learned many years ago.

You pay elite RB's what they are worth.

Jerry remembers.

He'll pay Zeke.

Or we can struggle to another 0-2 start.

Either way, Zeke will be paid. It just a matter of how much pain Jerry wants to experience.
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In today’s game, you don’t have to pay elite TBs. stop acting like today’s NFL is the same as it was in the early 90s.

Further of the last ten SB Champs only ONE had what you might call an elite TB - Seattle.
 
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DuncanIso said:
Would you risk your career if you were being underpaid Millions?

Zeke gets hurt in camp and he loses $$$.

This is simple to figure out.
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That's BS logic. Any player can get a career ending injury in practice during the season or any snap during a season game so to use gee I might get hurt so I'm going to sit out until I get the contract I want. Never mind that I still have a year left on my current contract and the Cowboys could exercise my 5th year option for another year. None of that matters because I just might get hurt and i want more money. Never mind that sitting out shows my word is no good because after all I did agree to a contract as a rookie giving my word that I would play with that until it is up. It doesn't matter that I'm showing I have no character because I want a big contract and I will sit out and pout like a little boy. Lets see how long you keep your job if you tell your boss that you weren't coming to work until they quadruple your pay and see how it takes them so say you're now an ex-employee.
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You know what? I didn't care at the time. All I knew was we were SB champions with a great chance to repeat and we were 0-2 because Jerry wouldn't pay the man.
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Emmitt had all the leverage because he wasn’t under contract. Zeke not so much. He’s got two years left on his contract and holding out will have an effect on his free agent status down the line. Plus, relatively speaking, Zeke is making much more than Emmitt made on his first contract since he was the fourth overall pick.
 
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DuncanIso said:
Its the lesson that was learned many years ago.

You pay elite RB's what they are worth.

Jerry remembers.

He'll pay Zeke.

Or we can struggle to another 0-2 start.

Either way, Zeke will be paid. It just a matter of how much pain Jerry wants to experience.
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A lot has changed since 1993 and hopefully our FO knows that as well.

For example, In 1993 Smith was the top paid RB with 4yr 13.6m at 3.4m annual avg and 4m signing bonus. Aikman was the top paid QB with 8yr 50m at 6.2m annual avg and 11m signing bonus. Smith made a little more than half of what Aikman did.

Fast foward to now, Wilson has 4yr 140m at 35m annual avg with a 65m signing bonus. That's 29m more over 26 years. Gurley has a 4yr 57.5m at 14.3m annual avg with a 21m signing bonus. That's 11m more over 26 years. The top paid QBs salary increases about a 1m a year in avg over the last 26 years to the top paid RB 420,000 a year over the past 26 years.

It's not a RB league like it was in 1993. Even when you run a offense like Dallas.

One more thing, the rb franchise tag actually went down last year. On avg qb tags go up about 2m every year. The rb tag has went up 2m TOTAL in the last 6 years. All this showes a trend that teams are seeing its not necessary to pay big and especially over pay a RB.
 
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gjkoeppen said:
That's BS logic. Any player can get a career ending injury in practice during the season or any snap during a season game so to use gee I might get hurt so I'm going to sit out until I get the contract I want. Never mind that I still have a year left on my current contract and the Cowboys could exercise my 5th year option for another year. None of that matters because I just might get hurt and i want more money. Never mind that sitting out shows my word is no good because after all I did agree to a contract as a rookie giving my word that I would play with that until it is up. It doesn't matter that I'm showing I have no character because I want a big contract and I will sit out and pout like a little boy. Lets see how long you keep your job if you tell your boss that you weren't coming to work until they quadruple your pay and see how it takes them so say you're now an ex-employee.
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NFL contracts are mostly Not guaranteed. But the signing Bonus is where the cash is.

Zeke isn't making enough money.

He's ranked 10th in RB salaries.

Its simple. He's going to sit if Jerry waits.
 
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Little Jr said:
A lot has changed since 1993 and hopefully our FO knows that as well.

For example, In 1993 Smith was the top paid RB with 4yr 13.6m at 3.4m annual avg and 4m signing bonus. Aikman was the top paid QB with 8yr 50m at 6.2m annual avg and 11m signing bonus. Smith made a little more than half of what Aikman did.

Fast foward to now, Wilson has 4yr 140m at 35m annual avg with a 65m signing bonus. That's 29m more over 26 years. Gurley has a 4yr 57.5m at 14.3m annual avg with a 21m signing bonus. That's 11m more over 26 years. The top paid QBs salary increases about a 1m a year in avg over the last 26 years to the top paid RB 420,000 a year over the past 26 years.

It's not a RB league like it was in 1993. Even when you run a offense like Dallas.

One more thing, the rb franchise tag actually went down last year. On avg qb tags go up about 2m every year. The rb tag has went up 2m TOTAL in the last 6 years. All this showes a trend that teams are seeing its not necessary to pay big and especially over pay a RB.
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ToddG and Bell make more than Zeke.

Zeke is #10 on the list.

His money isn't right.

I'd sit too if I was in his place.
 
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Reid1boys said:
Please explain how the Cowboys are playing cheap? Zeke is starting the 4th of FIVE year deal. He has 2 years left. Dak has this season only left. Not too many teams start doing extensions on a rookie 1st rd draft pick before the start of season 4. Now if all teams were doing it, and only dallas was not, then I could see your point, but your expecting Dallas to do what other teams are not doing.

Getting Amari was panic? really? They gave up a number 1 to get a top WR that is barely 23 if I remember correctly.... that is hardly panic. Dez was my favorite player, but I dont see them as thinking they messed up letting him walk... even though it crushed me.
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I explained it, because I said in my post. Stephen Jones has basically said multiple times what there philosophy is that they aren’t going to target big-named free agents, because they feel the price is way too high and they will try and EXTEND their players early so they don’t even get to the market.

Dallas is playing cheap.

They also are trying to sell it that you can only win when the cast around you is good. Even Dak is basically saying he’s not taking a discount and he doesn’t buy the excuse that Dallas can’t afford to pay top dollars, especially now with the NFL and gambling joining hands.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ling-to-give-the-cowboys-a-hometown-discount/

With Amari they gave up draft picks knowing full well he was going to hit the market soon and demand plenty of money. They did this despite saying that Dak didn’t need a number 1 WR and they said it all off-season long and this was part of them selling the offense as Dak-friendly, because he would try and force the ball to that WR. Dez was basically a scape goat as well, because the whole off season they were selling Dak’s incompetence as the fault of Dez demanding the ball. Then Dak looked like trash and even his WRs were saying they were open but not getting looks.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...ak-prescott-says-he-doesnt-really-need-a-1-wr
 
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He's played 3 seasons.
His stupidity cost the team one of them.
He's a constant embarrassment.
He doesn't break long TD runs, getting slower by the season.
His running style doesn't lead to a long career.
He will almost certainly get into trouble again.
 
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Denim Chicken said:
He's not underpaid. He's on a rookie contract, so he is paid exactly what he's supposed to be paid.
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The rookie contract is so guys don’t come in making more than top vets like they used to. If a guy has won the rushing title 2 out of 3 years then he’s severely underpaid on a rookie contract
 
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DuncanIso said:
ToddG and Bell make more than Zeke.

Zeke is #10 on the list.

His money isn't right.

I'd sit too if I was in his place.
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They’ve been in the league longer. This isn’t rocket science. Zeke is making more than either of those two were on their first contracts. Gurley and Bell had to wait just like every rookie.
 
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Cowboys1fan said:
The rookie contract is so guys don’t come in making more than top vets like they used to. If a guy has won the rushing title 2 out of 3 years then he’s severely underpaid on a rookie contract
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And if he had come into the league and performed poorly or just as an average back, he would be overpaid. But I bet he wouldn’t offer to renegotiate his contract downward to reflect his play. It cuts both ways.
 
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