Zeke vs Rams

CowboyRoy · Jul 31, 2019

Dak_Attack_09 said:
Yo didn’t Murray have 1500+ yds rushing behind this OL? So your telling me part of Zeke success is the OL not the other way around.

What the hell happened to Zeke against Rams, especially on short yardage...

Rams STONEWALL Zeke on fourth-and-short
The Rams stonewall Dallas Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott on fourth-and-short.

https://www.therams.com/video/rams-stonewall-zeke-on-fourth-and-short

Murray ran for 1845 yards and 13 TD's that year. Made Elliott look like a chump.

What happened to Zeke is nothing more than proof that even a back like Zeke is dependent to some degree on coaching and the quality of the Oline.

Idiot Garrett and Linehan did their cookie cutter game plan of running Zeke up the middle not matter what. And they just happened to have two of the best DT's in the NFL sitting there all day.

Its like Garrett the moron doesn't even scout the opposition for a playoff game. Its no wonder we haven't been the championship game in 30 years.

PAPPYDOG · Jul 31, 2019

Blake said:
Something tells me you're going to disappear from this site if Zeke gets traded. This board has a funny way of cleansing its'self of fan degenerates.

Better start packing Kramer as your only contribution here are insults and name calling.

Blake · Jul 31, 2019

PAPPYDOG said:
Better start packing Kramer as your only contribution here are insults and name calling.

Been a member since 2004. You'll be the first to leave since you're just a player fan.

Ken · Jul 31, 2019

doomsday9084 said:
There are the game highlights. The Rams decided that stopping Zeke was the way to beat the Cowboys. Go to 1:19. The Cowboys were in shotgun and the rams still had 7 men on the line and one more in the box. You pull that crap against a good QB and you give up 40 or more points. The 1:19 was Dak's first touchdown. It was a simple 10 yard in and there was no help over the top.

Go to 2:47. The Rams literally had NINE men in the box on a regular first and 10. I can go on and on with more examples.

Its all game long. If you understand football, what happened in the Rams game was a passing game problem. They basically took the Colts' playbook from a few weeks before.

Ya, if you understand football, it is easy to understand.

On the first play you outlined, the "men in the box" was dictated by our alignment, same with your 2nd example. The first play had a short split to the left. He was covered creating the "7th" man. There was also a safety over the top, amazing that the play was a TD but it is still drawn as an example on how they were playing to "stop zeke". They were but this is no different than what teams did against Emmitt or Demarco. Why everyone uses this as some sort of slight against Dak is laughable. The Cowboys want to run the ball...everyone knows it. We have been doing this since the 90s.

On the 2nd play, we have 7 tight in the box and a 8th wr short split. Again, the defense IS defending a run formation and it is a 20 + yard play for a pass. Exactly what should happen.

Zeke saw these defensive looks all year and the year before. Demarco saw the same looks. Please stop with the "good qb" stuff...

America's Cowboy · Jul 31, 2019

Blake said:
Been a member since 2004. You'll be the first to leave since you're just a player fan.

But...but...but he's a paying member. Him (PD) and his $2 monthly donation. :lmao:

beware_d-ware · Jul 31, 2019

I love how people say "Zeke doesn't produce in the PLAYOFFS!", while ignoring that he went 26/137/1 against Seattle. It's like that game doesn't even exist to people.

The Rams game was just a debacle in general. Cooper, Gallup, and Connor Williams were the only Cowboys players on either side who had games to be proud about IMO.

dsturgeon · Jul 31, 2019

JoeKing said:
Ron Leary and Doug Free were long gone in last season's playoff loss to the Rams. Which question are you answering?

I was implying that it is not the same oline. They are still good though.

I think they got outcoached and out strategized that game. Rams had their number. Or it is staged and the cowboys were supposed to lose. Those are the only two things that make sense to me for the way that game turned out.

Dak_Attack_09 · Jul 31, 2019

Whirlwin said:
Actually I think we passed 520 times to running 500. We were pretty balanced just predictable. And I was actually surprised to see that statistic

In that scenario you do Play-Action

Dak_Attack_09 · Jul 31, 2019

CowboysWillRise said:
Not taking anything away from Zeke, because I agree he is elite. That said yards after contact can be inflated when the rb has a full head of steam.

Agree All love for Zeke but it’s a team game

Dak_Attack_09 · Jul 31, 2019

superonyx said:
You are obviously being a troll.
Sorry if I am coming across as rude but be honest with everyone here. You are between the ages of 12-16 arent you?

Anyone who has any level of basic understanding of football would watch the Rams game and quickly realize that Zeke didn't have room to run. Trying to isolate 1 pay you think you found that shows a "hole" he didnt follow is trollish and an elementary level debate tactic that only continues to show a lack of understanding of this sport.

Btw....Not only does Zeke want top RB money but he will get top RB money regardless of your trollish opinion and way you present yourself.

beware_d-ware said:
I love how people say "Zeke doesn't produce in the PLAYOFFS!", while ignoring that he went 26/137/1 against Seattle. It's like that game doesn't even exist to people.

The Rams game was just a debacle in general. Cooper, Gallup, and Connor Williams were the only Cowboys players on either side who had games to be proud about IMO.

Who got the touchdown & first down to seal the game?

Zeke was still big reason we won but it’s a team game.

percyhoward · Jul 31, 2019

WillieBeamen said:
Zeke was 5th in the league in yards after contact last season.

Whirlwin said:
I just couldn't agree more. Yards after contact. That's an individual statistic.

That's 5th in total yards after contact, so it just adds up all the after-contact yardage on each carry. Zeke led the league in rushing attempts, with 43 more than the next RB, and all those carries boosted his ranking considerably.

On a per-carry basis, Zeke ranked 11th in yards after contact in 2018, even though his raw average was the highest of his career.

2018 3.12 (11th)
2017 2.81 (11th)
2016 2.91 (7th)

The difference in 2018 was that Zeke wasn't as consistent as the previous two seasons. His success rate was 57% in 2016 and 2017, then went down to 50% last year. Almost all of that drop off was caused by his poor red zone success rate, especially inside the 10. That was probably due to OL issues, and had little or nothing to do with Zeke himself.

Jake · Jul 31, 2019

percyhoward said:
That's 5th in total yards after contact, so it just adds up all the after-contact yardage on each carry. Zeke led the league in rushing attempts, with 43 more than the next RB, and all those carries boosted his ranking considerably.

On a per-carry basis, Zeke ranked 11th in yards after contact in 2018, even though his raw average was the highest of his career.

Zeke gained 58.5% of his rushing yards after contact in 2018. By comparison:

Barkley = 56.3%
Gordon = 54.4%
Gurley and Kamara were each under 50%

http://www.nfl.com/fantasyfootball/...saquon-barkley-headlines-2018s-top-rbs-in-yac

percyhoward · Jul 31, 2019

Jake said:
Zeke gained 58.5% of his rushing yards after contact in 2018. By comparison:

Barkley = 56.3%
Gordon = 54.4%
Gurley and Kamara were each under 50%

http://www.nfl.com/fantasyfootball/...saquon-barkley-headlines-2018s-top-rbs-in-yac

In other words, he wasn't just gaining fewer yards after contact than those guys, he was also getting hit sooner than they were.

The OL issues were real. Zeke's success rate inside the 10:

2018 33.3% (7 of 21)
2017 65.0% (13 of 20)
2016 66.7% (16 of 24)

Successful run gets 40% of yds to go on 1st down, 60% on 2nd, 100% on 3rd/4th

Blackspider214 · Jul 31, 2019

Dak_Attack_09 said:
Watch the video Smith pushed his guy upfield, if Zeke would have followed to left he would have gotten 1st down or huge yards. He got stalled at line of scrimmage,if he wants-the top RB money he would have gotten that first down ( would be worth it) I know damn well Beast Mode would have gotten that 1st down.

Good lord. If you can point to one mistake for every single player and use that as to why they don't deserve to be paid, not one player would ever be paid. Get real.

Whirlwin · Jul 31, 2019

percyhoward said:
That's 5th in total yards after contact, so it just adds up all the after-contact yardage on each carry. Zeke led the league in rushing attempts, with 43 more than the next RB, and all those carries boosted his ranking considerably.

On a per-carry basis, Zeke ranked 11th in yards after contact in 2018, even though his raw average was the highest of his career.

2018 3.12 (11th)
2017 2.81 (11th)
2016 2.91 (7th)

The difference in 2018 was that Zeke wasn't as consistent as the previous two seasons. His success rate was 57% in 2016 and 2017, then went down to 50% last year. Almost all of that drop off was caused by his poor red zone success rate, especially inside the 10. That was probably due to OL issues, and had little or nothing to do with Zeke himself.

Good info. It's still an individual statistic. Meaning those yards on your own

TwoDeep3 · Jul 31, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
Hmm...Let's see...

It's 4th & 1, late in the 4th quarter during the divisional playoff round game at the Rams. The play obviously goes to Zeke, handing him the ball, putting the game/playoffs on the line in his hands and letting him convert that 4th & 1 for a 1st down which would have allowed the Cowboys to keep possession and get a score to potentially tie the game or take the lead.

There were 2 ways Zeke could have ran with the ball:

1) Run between the C and LG to get that 1 yard needed for a 1st down. There was a hole there for a split second or two.

or

2) Dive over the pile between C and RG. There was a crevice that opened up above the falling RG Zack Martin. Emmitt used to dive over such falling piles and easily convert short yardage attempts for 1st downs. Even other RB Greats like Walter Payton, Marcus Allen, LaDainian Tomlinson and a few others were known for diving over short yardage piles in order to get a 1st down or a TD.

But not Zeke. Instead, he went straight into the pile, timidly, and got stuffed for a loss.

Zeke is good at hurdling DBs 1-on-1 in the open field, but he has yet to ever dive over a pile at the line of scrimmage to convert a short yardage gain needed for a 1st down or a TD. That's what separates the greats from good RBs, especially when the game/playoffs is on the line.

This entire post is baloney. You rate his career off this one game. You choose the word timidly to support your agenda.

Did you also throw a temper tantrum over the fumbled field goal by Romo? Was Aikman's career defined by you when he threw three picks against San Francisco? Did Bob Lilly seem to escape your eagle eye when Bart Starr did a quarterback sneak in the ice bowl?

Sometimes the other team wins. But one thing is for sure, a guy sitting behind a computer screen, looking at one graphic, suggesting there were other options is about the most ridiculous notion I have seen

And leaving your feet takes away all your forward thrust when meeting resistance.

Dallas got beat. On both sides of the ball.

America's Cowboy · Jul 31, 2019

TwoDeep3 said:
This entire post is baloney. You rate his career off this one game. You choose the word timidly to support your agenda.

Did you also throw a temper tantrum over the fumbled field goal by Romo? Was Aikman's career defined by you when he threw three picks against San Francisco? Did Bob Lilly seem to escape your eagle eye when Bart Starr did a quarterback sneak in the ice bowl?

Sometimes the other team wins. But one thing is for sure, a guy sitting behind a computer screen, looking at one graphic, suggesting there were other options is about the most ridiculous notion I have seen

And leaving your feet takes away all your forward thrust when meeting resistance.

Dallas got beat. On both sides of the ball.

Can't handle the truth? The picture doesn't lie. There are other times Zeke stalled, hesitated or ran straight into his linemen's backs because he refuses to dive over piles on short yardage the way Emmitt and other greats used to, but I wanted to focus on this one play because it concerned the playoffs and Zeke failed to come through when it mattered most even though the picture clearly shows he could have converted that play for a 1st down had he made a better effort.

Need a tissue?

TwoDeep3 · Jul 31, 2019

[QUOTE="DakPresgoat, post: 9304638, member: 39771"Some People want to blame that loss on Dak. Some want to blame it on Zeke." [/QUOTE]

The blame game, focusing on one players facing a stout defense during a season when the offensive line was not at its best is perhaps the most unintelligent assessment of the game I have ever seen here. Then to suggest after all the positive things Zeke has done, and the fact he is near 40% of the offense, and lay claim that one play labels him can be summed up as asinine.

Keep typing. I was a vocal advocate to draft Bobby Carpenter.

You people are clearly wrenching the stupidest poster on this board award from me with ever post.

TwoDeep3 · Jul 31, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
Can't handle the truth? The picture doesn't lie. There are other times Zeke stalled, hesitated or ran straight into his linemen's backs because he refuses to dive over piles on short yardage the way Emmitt and other greats used to, but I wanted to focus on this one play because it concerned the playoffs and Zeke failed to come through when it mattered most even though the picture clearly shows he could have converted that play for a 1st down had he made a better effort.

Need a tissue?

It's become clear why you seem to think Zeke is not a real stud and runs into the backs of his linemen..

http://cowboyszone.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/25/2015/03/julius-jones.jpg

You're watching the highlights of Julius Jones.

dallasfan4lizife · Jul 31, 2019

This whole argument that Zeke has a bad game because we have no passing attack has been debunked so long ago.

There were 18 teams that faced more 8-man boxes last season than the Cowboys. Teams don't stack the box against us more than any other team. Garbage argument that is easily refutable.

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