Video: All of Dak's incompletions

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Oh_Canada said:
Why in the blue hell do the receivers jump for nothing on this team?
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Because they get used to having to jump or reach back for the often off target ball.

They have to always be ready for anything and that gets in their heads over time.
 
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i am convinced we went back to jason garretts playbook. This offense look nothing like the offense we had the first 3 weeks of the season. Its like jason garrett said enough getting cute. Lets run a bunch of stopping routes or gos. Back to our bread and "butter"/"crap" offense.
 
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khiladi said:
You clearly have no idea how basic math works. Efficiency of a QB can clearly go up in softer coverages that are meant to keep everything inside and run time off the clock.
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You should google how ESPN calculates QBR and educate yourself. Or you could keep being an ignorant clown with no clue.

Here’s a very quick lesson:

A 10-yard completion on 3rd and 20 counts for MUCH less than, say, a 10-yard completion on 3rd and 9.
 
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Nav22 said:
You should google how ESPN calculates QBR and educate yourself. Or you could keep being an ignorant clown with no clue.

Here’s a very quick lesson:

A 10-yard completion on 3rd and 20 counts for MUCH less than, say, a 10-yard completion on 3rd and 9.
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And? What does that have to do with soft defenses and keeping everything inside to burn tome the clock? Are you saying teams only so that on 3rd and 20 and not 3rd and NINE? How often do teams get in a 3rd and 20 situation anyways bruh?
 
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I saw what seemed to be 10 throws that were behind the receiver. He sucked and yes, you can blame him for this loss, just like everyone else.

The WHOLE team sucked again.
 
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khiladi said:
And? What does that have to do with soft defenses and keeping everything inside to burn tome the clock? Are you saying teams only so that on 3rd and 20 and not 3rd and NINE? How often do teams get in a 3rd and 20 situation anyways bruh?
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“Total QBR takes each individual play and measures the expected points added (EPA) for each play. Since every play situation is different, there is a different value for EPA in each case. A team can expect a 0.9 net-point advantage when it is 1st down and 10 yards to go on their own 20 yard line.

For the next play, suppose the team passes the ball 8 yards to reach their own 28 yard line on 2nd down and 2. The offense can now expect a 1.4 net-point advantage. EPA is the difference in the expected points at the start and end of a play. In this case it is 1.4 - 0.9 = 0.5 EPA. In a way, the offense has added a half point in potential score based on this play. Similarly, if a team loses yardage on a play, their EPA in that situation would be negative.”
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It’s essentially based on how much each play helps a team score and eventually win.

So carving up a “soft defense” late in a blowout (which wasn’t the case yesterday anyways) doesn’t help your QBR much.

And if poor QB play is what led to the deficit to begin with, that’s calculated too.

QBR is a much better stat than traditional passer rating in this regard. It also takes sacks, fumbles, drops and QB runs into account, unlike traditional passer rating.
 
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Nav22 said:
“Total QBR takes each individual play and measures the expected points added (EPA) for each play. Since every play situation is different, there is a different value for EPA in each case. A team can expect a 0.9 net-point advantage when it is 1st down and 10 yards to go on their own 20 yard line.

For the next play, suppose the team passes the ball 8 yards to reach their own 28 yard line on 2nd down and 2. The offense can now expect a 1.4 net-point advantage. EPA is the difference in the expected points at the start and end of a play. In this case it is 1.4 - 0.9 = 0.5 EPA. In a way, the offense has added a half point in potential score based on this play. Similarly, if a team loses yardage on a play, their EPA in that situation would be negative.”
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It’s essentially based on how much each play helps a team score and eventually win.

So carving up a “soft defense” late in a blowout (which wasn’t the case yesterday anyways) doesn’t help your QBR much.

And if poor QB play is what led to the deficit to begin with, that’s calculated too.

QBR is a much better stat than traditional passer rating in this regard. It also takes sacks, fumbles, drops and QB runs into account, unlike traditional passer rating.
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Please inform me where anything of what our write refuted anything Of what I said? Where does your example take into account the TIME left in a game as opposed to yardage left to get a first down or score?
 
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khiladi said:
Please inform me where anything of what our write refuted anything Of what I said? Where does your example take into account the TIME left in a game as opposed to yardage left to get a first down or score?
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Here you go.
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There is a discount on trash time. A 40-yard pass as time expires (without scoring a touchdown or field goal) is much different from a 40-yard pass with enough time to score points.
 
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Nav22 said:
Here you go.
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There is a discount on trash time. A 40-yard pass as time expires (without scoring a touchdown or field goal) is much different from a 40-yard pass with enough time to score points.
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so we are talking about as time EXPIRES now and not ‘enough time’ to score points... you do realize your proving exactly my point... garbage time against soft defense is NOT time expiring..
 
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khiladi said:
so we are talking about as time EXPIRES now and not ‘enough time’ to score points... you do realize your proving exactly my point... garbage time against soft defense is NOT time expiring..
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That was just an example. Here’s some more context.
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QBR asks one more question: Did this play come in garbage time?

As we know, amassing yards and points in a blowout does not tell you too much about a quarterback’s true skill. When the game is out of reach, which is measured by a team’s win probability at the start of the play, a quarterback receives less credit than on an otherwise “normal” play.
 
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Nav22 said:
That was just an example. Here’s some more context.
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QBR asks one more question: Did this play come in garbage time?

As we know, amassing yards and points in a blowout does not tell you too much about a quarterback’s true skill. When the game is out of reach, which is measured by a team’s win probability at the start of the play, a quarterback receives less credit than on an otherwise “normal” play.
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So how is ‘win probability’ determined? Does if for example go up when the lead goes from 17 to 14 in the fourth quarter?
 
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khiladi said:
So how is ‘win probability’ determined? Does if for example go up when the lead goes from 17 to 14 in the fourth quarter?
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I don’t know the exact formula, but yes, I’d assume win probability goes up when the score is closer.

If you’re down 35 entering the 4th and you score 3 garbage-time TDs to make the score respectable, that’s factored in and is weighted much less than 3 TDs in a “normal” setting.
 
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CalPolyTechnique said:
The good QBs make those throws....every WR drops passes.

The generic excuses can be applied anywhere.
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If the ball hits the WR’s hands, the QB DID make the throw.

You can count Dak’s bad passes from yesterday on 1 hand.
 
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texbumthelife said:
Anyone else notice how a quick slant would have killed most of these defensive play (listed in the tweets)? There was no one in the middle of the field. I dont know if Dak is being told not to change the play, or just chooses not too, but these are very clear blitzing plays presnap by the D and no one checks into quick routes. The quickest was a 10 yard hook.

Wha.... What?
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That has always been my knock on JG's offense. They used a lot more crossing routes in the preseason and vs the Giants. Not sure why they have been slowly removed from the gameplan the last couple of weeks.
 
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