The Jets game was an aberration; these Cowboys are better than most think

nobody · Oct 17, 2019

You are what your record says you are. Whether they could have won is irrelevant. They failed to produce. They made stupid errors...and continually do so...so until proven otherwise, they're exactly a 3-3 team.

gjkoeppen · Oct 17, 2019

ghst187 said:
4 of 8 win in seasons, half
3 straight 8-8
12-4 followed by 4-12
He’s had a few good seasons recently with embarrassments in the playoffs
Despite enormous riches in talent...
Where is the “exaggeration”?

Bring up the 2015 season after I already stated that it was injury full including Romo as some kind of plus for you. The 3 8-8 season when Garrett was the head coach were while he was putting together the team that finally went 12-4. You are making the same mistake many here do by TRYING to use the years Garrett was the OC and the record under Phillips as head coach against Garrett. Those season fall on Phillip's shoulders not Garrett's.
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MikeB80 · Oct 17, 2019

The aberration appears to be weeks 1 and 2.

Since then its been pretty bad. The dolphins outplayed dallas in the first half of that game then played like they didn't care in the second half.

Dallas loses probably to anybody else the way they played in week 3.

It feels like the real beatings are waiting for the team in the coming weeks, Minnesota, New England and Philly. All could win by double digits easily.

TheSkaven · Oct 17, 2019

They lost because of coaching, not the missed field goals or the dropped passes.

The Cowboys were playing without their two starting tackles. So the Jets played a bear front and sent extra men so that those replacement tackles wouldn’t have help.

They did it all game and there’s so many ways to beat a bear front. A swing pass to your halfback, who is uncovered, is one. Or throwing the ball in general, because it leaves more man coverage.

Nope, let’s run Zeke into a bear front and 8-man front on first down all game.

Going for two, you know the heat is coming - it’s been coming all game. Your call? 4 men out on stick pattern, that dang Linehan play from 20 years ago, and no help to slow down the rush.

Don’t even get me started on the defensive calls, this reply is already too long...

Beast_from_East · Oct 18, 2019

glimmerman said:
Best 3-3 team in the league...

ghst187 · Oct 18, 2019

gjkoeppen said:
Bring up the 2015 season after I already stated that it was injury full including Romo as some kind of plus for you. The 3 8-8 season when Garrett was the head coach were while he was putting together the team that finally went 12-4. You are making the same mistake many here do by TRYING to use the years Garrett was the OC and the record under Phillips as head coach against Garrett. Those season fall on Phillip's shoulders not Garrett's.
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so the eagles won a SB with their backup QB, we couldn’t win a game....with a QB who actually went and won some games in Houston afterwards.

the fact is, we’ve won zilch with JG on our staff. Pathetically underachieving year after year with some pretty talented squads. He’s not a coach at all. He doesn’t coach. He’s a chief of staff for the coaches, that’s all he does.
Meanwhile you have other coaches on the headsets calling plays and scheming mismatches. You know, successful coaches.
I’m pretty sure JGs headset is either playing music or not plugged in at all. I’m sure JG isn’t our only problem, but he’s overseen fail since he arrived. Time to find someone better, and by better I mean someone who can coach football games.
and by that I mean most anyone with a pulse and brain.

TwentyOne · Oct 18, 2019

Hot_Toddy said:
Look, this last game was just unusual: Penalties, injuries, dropped passes, missed FG's. Everything that could go wrong; did go wrong. And it was frustrating!

We lost to "some darn old" QB...Errr I mean "SAM DARNOLD" QB.

But, you have to give the Jets credit. They had a sound game plan and came to play.

Now: Why do I call it an aberration?

If you would have made last weeks picks based on the higher ranked teams from Aikmans efficiency ratings you would have lost only 2 games.

http://aikman.com/AikmanEfficiencyR...man-Efficiency-Ratings-2019-As-of-Week-5.aspx

The Two Exceptions:

1. Cowboys ranked at #3 lost to the Jets ranked at #30 (This is unusual)

2. Bucs ranked #14 lost to the Panthers ranked at #15 (This is not unusual. These two teams were ranked barely apart in overall efficiency).

THE SHIP ISN'T SINKING!

We have an efficient team which equals success. Aikman has it right!

With that being said: I want to see them play as a TEAM. NEVER play as individuals.

The problem is not that we are not that bad. The problem is we are not a good team either.

With all the hype in the offseason to see that this team is no more then a 7-9 or 8-8 team is very disappointing.

gjkoeppen · Oct 18, 2019

ghst187 said:
so the eagles won a SB with their backup QB, we couldn’t win a game....with a QB who actually went and won some games in Houston afterwards.

the fact is, we’ve won zilch with JG on our staff. Pathetically underachieving year after year with some pretty talented squads. He’s not a coach at all. He doesn’t coach. He’s a chief of staff for the coaches, that’s all he does.
Meanwhile you have other coaches on the headsets calling plays and scheming mismatches. You know, successful coaches.
I’m pretty sure JGs headset is either playing music or not plugged in at all. I’m sure JG isn’t our only problem, but he’s overseen fail since he arrived. Time to find someone better, and by better I mean someone who can coach football games.
and by that I mean most anyone with a pulse and brain.

I'm so thankful that you have ZERO to do with the Cowboys. Because of your Hatred you can't see things as they really and never will.
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Hot_Toddy · Oct 18, 2019

DallasBlockersClub said:
Stop this kicking nonsense. Maher went 3/4 and drilled two >50 yards.

Two missed chip shot FG's in 2 games. This team would be 5-1 right now.

He is a great kicker from a distance. I think he may just get a bit nervous on the kick attempts he is supposed to make. Unknown what is going on with him regarding that. Perhaps one of those psychological things?

Hot_Toddy · Oct 18, 2019

Future said:
I mean, you are what you are...

But the Cowboys' issues are fixable b/c they are shooting themselves in the foot. They've been the better team in each game they've lost, they've just done dumb stuff that has cost them games.

They have also gotten pretty screwed by officials, and that hasn't helped.

I agree. They have shot themselves in the foot in all of their losses.

I rarely, if ever, blame the officials.

They are human, they make errors etc. that is 100% understandable.

But not on this go-round. Too many phantom calls ticky-tack calls, non calls etc. Several against the Cowboys since the Dolphins game. And even the officiating in the Lions Packers game had me shaking my head. The officials handed the Packers the game! Just like the Dez catch (That was absolutely a catch in the playoffs vs. the Packers).

So yes, I am calling a spade a spade in a few of those games.

And I don't care who tells me not to blame the refs. There should be accountability for a game of integrity!

Hot_Toddy · Oct 18, 2019

Ranching said:
You are right! all we need is a good head coach. I'm glad to see that @Idgit gave you a like.

I'm uncertain of Idgit's view on our coach. But he didn't unlike my original post yet yet

This next game we do have to "be creative". Just like that you tube "don't hug me I'm scared" you tube vids" .

I had no idea who that red fella was in his avatar until my kids pointed out those vids. :thumbup:

Hot_Toddy · Oct 18, 2019

foofighters said:
So basically Rose from the Titanic just told you that she'd never let you go and you believed her...buh bye...

No Rose from Titanic got off that boat to get a save.

That character just died when she made that statement.

These Cowboys will save this season. This boat won't sink.

Hot_Toddy · Oct 19, 2019

fredp22 said:
instant gratification- its been 9+ years
Landrys teams were great and in the playoffs from '66 on. thats 6 years. and in his first year we didnt have a draft pick
Landry was a defensive genius that started the 4-3 defense and could coach. He knew how to make in game adjustments and how to play to the other teams weakness while using his strengths
Garrett-well he knows how to clap
Landrys in the HOF- I'll bet whatever u want Garrett will never get 1 vote for the Hall

Are you really comparing Garrett to Landry? its impossible to get 2 coaches on the opposite exstremes.
give me a break

The only comparisons I have regarding Landry and Garrett are:

-Both seem to hold there emotions on the sideline.
-Both are long term thinkers in my opinion.
-Garrett as OC was very innovative.

What makes it difficult on Garrett is the era. It's tough to build and keep the same team in this Free Agency/Salary Cap times.

I guess Barry Switzer gave "instant gratification" after inheriting one of the greatest Cowboys team of all time. But, was he one of the greatest Cowboys coaches ever? Or did he ride the coat tails of the great Jimmy Johnson/Jerry Jones team to win a SB, then get to a Championship and another playoff game in 4 years by himself?

By those standards, Barry Switzer could be considered one of the best Cowboy coaches of this era. Personally, in my opinion, I give Jimmy Johnson most the credit for the success of Switzer.

Even in 1989. Jimmy already had Michael Irvin from the Landry era. Was set to pick Troy Aikman in that draft. And had some of those players who formed our great offensive line of the 90's.

Now, I give tons of credit to Bill Parcells in this era. Taking over that team, turning it around and getting us to the playoffs.

I want my Cowboys players to love and play for the star. I hate rooting for logos and laundry when some of my favorite Cowboys players leave for $$$.

Free agency/Salary cap era...Blahhhhhhh

ghst187 · Oct 19, 2019

gjkoeppen said:
I'm so thankful that you have ZERO to do with the Cowboys. Because of your Hatred you can't see things as they really and never will.
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(Defer to personal attack when truth hits you check)

Glad you’re happy with mediocrity....

Captain43Crash · Oct 19, 2019

Hot_Toddy said:
Patience is a virtue. If the internet existed during the beginning of the Tom Landry era:

Well, for Landry's first nine seasons:

Landry was well below .500, had several losing seasons, made the playoffs 3 times and never got to the SB. And then greatness was born.
JG is above .500, had only 1 losing season, made the playoffs 3 times and never got to the SB. Yet.

Just saying that in today's world; everyone wants instant gratification.

That Landry fella turned out to be a great one!

Sometimes, you just never know.

Garrett is not Landry!

fredp22 · Oct 19, 2019

Hot_Toddy said:
The only comparisons I have regarding Landry and Garrett are:

-Both seem to hold there emotions on the sideline.
-Both are long term thinkers in my opinion.
-Garrett as OC was very innovative.

What makes it difficult on Garrett is the era. It's tough to build and keep the same team in this Free Agency/Salary Cap times.

I guess Barry Switzer gave "instant gratification" after inheriting one of the greatest Cowboys team of all time. But, was he one of the greatest Cowboys coaches ever? Or did he ride the coat tails of the great Jimmy Johnson/Jerry Jones team to win a SB, then get to a Championship and another playoff game in 4 years by himself?

By those standards, Barry Switzer could be considered one of the best Cowboy coaches of this era. Personally, in my opinion, I give Jimmy Johnson most the credit for the success of Switzer.

Even in 1989. Jimmy already had Michael Irvin from the Landry era. Was set to pick Troy Aikman in that draft. And had some of those players who formed our great offensive line of the 90's.

Now, I give tons of credit to Bill Parcells in this era. Taking over that team, turning it around and getting us to the playoffs.

I want my Cowboys players to love and play for the star. I hate rooting for logos and laundry when some of my favorite Cowboys players leave for $$$.

Free agency/Salary cap era...Blahhhhhhh

Closest coach to Landry is Belichick. They coach with what they have and use the strengths they have that week to the weaknesses of the other team ( I put Reid in same group). The gameplan is changed each week according to the team they will play and in game if necessary. Garrett needs 22 stars and feels if a game plan if executed properly its all you need. He coaches like Chip Kelly (not to mock Kelly-it was his style).
Garrett will say we want to highlight Zeke. Landry would say our opponents #1 cb was out so we came out testing the replacement. When they started giving him help we played to the weakness created by the help. Landry was always thinking. Garrett just executes a plan.
I disagree with the cap statement. Yes it is a harder and a hurdle but Beliichik/Reid is your proof that good coaching can still overcome the cap handicap. The cap leaves every team with a weakness. Play to that weakness-Garrett wont/cant do that
Problem is (as stated many times here) a good coach becomes obvious to the fans and will get the credit which Jerry cant handle.
Switzer sucked. He was sitting on his couch at home and was offered the job. His heart was never in it. Even Aikman said he changed from college to pros.
Jimmy/Parcells got to much credit from Jerry.
We have a good team. A good coach would have us looking a lot better

gjkoeppen · Oct 19, 2019

ghst187 said:
(Defer to personal attack when truth hits you check)

Glad you’re happy with mediocrity....

You couldn't be more wrong. Every year I hope the Cowboys win the Super Bowl but if they don't I don't turn into a fair weather fan and start a bunch of negativity. Tell me does all of the negative posts change a single tiniest of things with the Cowboys? No, all it does is show that someone who claims to be a fan really isn't a fan all the time. The name for that is fair weather fans.
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TNCowboy · Oct 19, 2019

Hot_Toddy said:
Patience is a virtue. If the internet existed during the beginning of the Tom Landry era:

Well, for Landry's first nine seasons:

Landry was well below .500, had several losing seasons, made the playoffs 3 times and never got to the SB. And then greatness was born.
JG is above .500, had only 1 losing season, made the playoffs 3 times and never got to the SB. Yet.

Just saying that in today's world; everyone wants instant gratification.

That Landry fella turned out to be a great one!

Sometimes, you just never know.

24th season with getting to the NFCC, let alone a SB. Anyone who follows this team at all has exercised far more patience than reasonable.

CB61 · Oct 19, 2019

Hot_Toddy said:
Look, this last game was just unusual: Penalties, injuries, dropped passes, missed FG's. Everything that could go wrong; did go wrong. And it was frustrating!

We lost to "some darn old" QB...Errr I mean "SAM DARNOLD" QB.

But, you have to give the Jets credit. They had a sound game plan and came to play.

Now: Why do I call it an aberration?

If you would have made last weeks picks based on the higher ranked teams from Aikmans efficiency ratings you would have lost only 2 games.

http://aikman.com/AikmanEfficiencyR...man-Efficiency-Ratings-2019-As-of-Week-5.aspx

The Two Exceptions:

1. Cowboys ranked at #3 lost to the Jets ranked at #30 (This is unusual)

2. Bucs ranked #14 lost to the Panthers ranked at #15 (This is not unusual. These two teams were ranked barely apart in overall efficiency).

THE SHIP ISN'T SINKING!

We have an efficient team which equals success. Aikman has it right!

With that being said: I want to see them play as a TEAM. NEVER play as individuals.

Historically we had played horrible against the Jets in the past four games we played them I think we won one and that was in Dallas if I'm not mistaken but I could be

gjkoeppen · Oct 19, 2019

TNCowboy said:
24th season with getting to the NFCC, let alone a SB. Anyone who follows this team at all has exercised far more patience than reasonable.

It may be another sport but to show you how little what you said really means, there were GENERATIONS of Cub fans waiting over a 100 years for the World series title and you're saying real Cowboys fans have exercised far more than reasonable patience waiting for the Cowboys to win another Super Bowl.
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