Breaking down options at the QB position

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Cowboys 2019 efficiency rankings, per ESPN.


Offense: 3rd

Defense: 18th

Special teams: 30th

Overall: 8th


I guess it’s just not as fun to blame the defense and special teams, is it?
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In all fairness we couldn't do **** in a bunch of games offensively this year. Jets, Saints, Pats, Eagles. We looked insanely handicapped and I don't think we look that way with a good QB. Never felt that way with Romo as our QB, always felt like we had a chance, this year it didn't feel that way.
 

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As the offseason lingers, we have all these questions about Head Coaches and Coordinators, we also need to figure out what we're going to do at QB. Many like Dak, but is he really the best option going forward?

Before proceeding, ask yourself, are you satisfied with Dak at QB and willing to pay him market price despite being 1-6 against winning teams with 7 TD's and 7 INT's I believe (rounding the stats here, take them with a grain of salt. The rounding isn't too far off, however). Or are you guys just nervous about drafting a bust in the draft? Are the odds of possibly drafting a cheaper rookie that is a bust higher than keeping Dak who is average (or above average, according to misleading stats)?

I'd like to point out Alex Smith. If the Chiefs hadn't of moved on, they wouldn't have gotten Mahomes. Yes, they might have drafted a bust, but they took the risk and got Mahomes instead. Same situation is valid for the Texans.

Dak is an average QB. He can win you games (Lions game, Vikes game had the playcalling actually been competent), but he can also be the reason why you lose others (2nd Philly game, Bills game, Patriots game, etc). He can be tagged and observed in the 2020 season with a new HC, however, what can a new HC to if the QB cannot hit wide open WR's, throws behind the receiver every other pass, cannot throw in stride, low pocket awareness, regresses badly to bad footwork and overall bad football IQ when under pressure, cannot read defenses well, etc. He is also not a pure athletic QB such as Watson or Jackson. Will a new HC really fix majority of his problems? I will be fair, he has pros such as leadership, personality, great locker room presence, good mentality, and slight clutchness, however, do all of these traits override his cons?

Anyways, let's delve into the draft:

QB's that are likely going to declare for 2020 include: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua, Jake Fromm (possibly), Jacob Eason, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, and more.

Now, just because we don't have a high draft pick DOES NOT mean we won't draft a superstar. Watson and Mahomes were drafted at 10 and 12. Other QB's such as Wilson and obviously Tom Brady were drafted in later rounds. Pick does not matter. We may stumble upon a star. Herbert, a high prospect, is also predicted to go at 17 according to a lot of mock drafts. We may take a shot at him. Or, despite conflicting reports and opinion on Riley, if he does come here, we may get Hurts so they can continue to develop chemistry together.

Free Agency/Trade: There aren't many free agent QB's out there, a few notable soon to be FA's are Tannehill and Bridgewater. QB's that play around the same level as Dak, but at a cheaper price. Some may oppose bringing them in, but in hindsight, it's not a bad idea if you want to re-sign/bring in more expensive pieces that are needed to make average QB's look great (Cobb, a better backup QB, Amari, Byron Jones, etc).

Trade: This one is less likely, as we need draft pieces to get a better defense, however, it is not 100% out of the question. What are the odds that we trade enough pieces/rounds away to get Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, or Josh Allen? Low, yes, but still possible and negotiable. These QB's may not look the same under our system, but they are fundamentally better QB's than Dak, as well as more athletic in general.

Going forward into 2020, what should we do at QB and why? If you stay with Dak, what kind of offensive scheme would you run for him?

*Before anyone says "Dak will be paid. No doubt about it." Please inform me as to why he has yet to be actually paid by the Joneses? Actions speak louder than words. Just because they talk all this talk means nothing. They said they'd bring Dez and DeMarco Murray back, yet they did not. QB is a different situation, yes, but as I said before, actions speak louder than words. If they we're so bullish on Dak, they would have given him the contract he had asked for before. Just sayin'.
Also if I was the new head coach coming in I would let everybody know in no uncertain terms that everyone is playing for their job it's the only way to motivate some of these guys
 

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It wasn't directed at you.

I just decided to put the info in there after making the point about who will get hired as head coach.

The new head coach needs to have authority, but he will also need to be on board with Dak Prescott as his quarterback in order to get the job.
If the new HC has authority, he shouldn't HAVE to be on board with Dak. Your statement is a contradiction.
 

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No rookie it's going to come in and win the superbowl, it's not happening. Never has, never will. That rookie has to develop and will set the team back until that happens.
Big Ben says hi.
 

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By this definition, you just labeled Romo one of the all time worst QBs instead of one of the best if the criteria is only about playoffs. Plus, you must look at all 4 years, not just this year.
So 1 playoff win in 4 years is the criteria.
 

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Dak still crashing thru haters on his way to a big pay day....$$$$
 

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I have new doubts about Dak's toughness, but he's got all the ability you need and we should all give him a shot with a better coaching staff. He's put up some amazing numbers for us and there's nothing that other QBs do that he can't
 

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Dak wants a short term contract so he can cash in twice. So give him a 4 year deal that’s really a 3 year. Or franchise tag him if he will sign it. Then get another young QB and start developing him. I don’t think Dak has hit his ceiling yet so if he continues to grow and get better then resign him. And trade the young one for picks or keep him as backup.
 

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Wow, I dont believe QB to be a position of need. We are a good coach away from a possible SB appearance. You really want to start over and move away from a QB statistically ranked in the top 5 to 10?

A bunch of ppl that had their mind made up about him before he even stepped onto the field that are trying so very hard to validate a poorly informed opinion. It's the same psychology that has Americans at each others throats .
 

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My belief is the majority of players didn't want to see a change when the time came.

Like him, hate him, believe in him or not, the players love Dak Prescott, IMO.

So what if they liked him? They supposedly liked Garrett too... Dak was also throwing dudes under the bus pre-Cooper and WRs were actually saying they were wide open. Butler during that period openly came out and said that Romo was the HC and he’d never seen this type of situation before where the coaches were clueless..

If you are listening to a bunch of young guy about their buddy, instead of playing the best QB by far, then you deserve everything that followed.
 

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Seems you can't figure out the difference of regular season and playoff/superbowl. Where did I say it was dumb to bench Romo. It was a good learning experience for a rookie Dak which helped the next time he made the playoffs.

I can't write this any easier.

A rookie it's not winning the superbowl, not happening. Do you get it? If not, I'm done and good night

You also said we weren’t winning the Sb with Romo, so it seems like you are looking for any excuse to justify Dak getting some ‘exceptional’ treatment to continue to start as a rookie QB, even though per your own words it set the team back.

So we shouldn’t draft a rookie for Dak, because it sets the team back, but we should start Dak over Romo, who finally had the pieces around him, for some odd reason, that surely wasn’t that Dak is anywhere near the QB Romo is even today, coming straight out the broadcast booth..
 

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As the offseason lingers, we have all these questions about Head Coaches and Coordinators, we also need to figure out what we're going to do at QB.

Draft a qb in round 1 or 2.

I agree as far as the new HC deciding if he wants Dak or go with his guy.

Are you guys new here? You seem unfamiliar with a man called Jerry Jones, and how he does business.

The Cowboys need to sign Case Keenum and offer Dak $12-15 million.
If Dak walks, let him go.
But when it comes right down to it, Keenum is the better quarterback.

:muttley:
 

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As the offseason lingers, we have all these questions about Head Coaches and Coordinators, we also need to figure out what we're going to do at QB. Many like Dak, but is he really the best option going forward?

Before proceeding, ask yourself, are you satisfied with Dak at QB and willing to pay him market price despite being 1-6 against winning teams with 7 TD's and 7 INT's I believe (rounding the stats here, take them with a grain of salt. The rounding isn't too far off, however). Or are you guys just nervous about drafting a bust in the draft? Are the odds of possibly drafting a cheaper rookie that is a bust higher than keeping Dak who is average (or above average, according to misleading stats)?

I'd like to point out Alex Smith. If the Chiefs hadn't of moved on, they wouldn't have gotten Mahomes. Yes, they might have drafted a bust, but they took the risk and got Mahomes instead. Same situation is valid for the Texans.

Dak is an average QB. He can win you games (Lions game, Vikes game had the playcalling actually been competent), but he can also be the reason why you lose others (2nd Philly game, Bills game, Patriots game, etc). He can be tagged and observed in the 2020 season with a new HC, however, what can a new HC to if the QB cannot hit wide open WR's, throws behind the receiver every other pass, cannot throw in stride, low pocket awareness, regresses badly to bad footwork and overall bad football IQ when under pressure, cannot read defenses well, etc. He is also not a pure athletic QB such as Watson or Jackson. Will a new HC really fix majority of his problems? I will be fair, he has pros such as leadership, personality, great locker room presence, good mentality, and slight clutchness, however, do all of these traits override his cons?

Anyways, let's delve into the draft:

QB's that are likely going to declare for 2020 include: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua, Jake Fromm (possibly), Jacob Eason, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, and more.

Now, just because we don't have a high draft pick DOES NOT mean we won't draft a superstar. Watson and Mahomes were drafted at 10 and 12. Other QB's such as Wilson and obviously Tom Brady were drafted in later rounds. Pick does not matter. We may stumble upon a star. Herbert, a high prospect, is also predicted to go at 17 according to a lot of mock drafts. We may take a shot at him. Or, despite conflicting reports and opinion on Riley, if he does come here, we may get Hurts so they can continue to develop chemistry together.

Free Agency/Trade: There aren't many free agent QB's out there, a few notable soon to be FA's are Tannehill and Bridgewater. QB's that play around the same level as Dak, but at a cheaper price. Some may oppose bringing them in, but in hindsight, it's not a bad idea if you want to re-sign/bring in more expensive pieces that are needed to make average QB's look great (Cobb, a better backup QB, Amari, Byron Jones, etc).

Trade: This one is less likely, as we need draft pieces to get a better defense, however, it is not 100% out of the question. What are the odds that we trade enough pieces/rounds away to get Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, or Josh Allen? Low, yes, but still possible and negotiable. These QB's may not look the same under our system, but they are fundamentally better QB's than Dak, as well as more athletic in general.

Going forward into 2020, what should we do at QB and why? If you stay with Dak, what kind of offensive scheme would you run for him?

*Before anyone says "Dak will be paid. No doubt about it." Please inform me as to why he has yet to be actually paid by the Joneses? Actions speak louder than words. Just because they talk all this talk means nothing. They said they'd bring Dez and DeMarco Murray back, yet they did not. QB is a different situation, yes, but as I said before, actions speak louder than words. If they we're so bullish on Dak, they would have given him the contract he had asked for before. Just sayin'.

I'd just transition tag him. If he accepts a contract from another team the Cowboys have the option to match. How much of a better deal are the Cowboys going to get if they negotiate a contract?
 
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