105.3 has upset me: Emmitt vs Barry

[darthseinfeld]

Don't feel bad. You could have been me growing up in metro Detroit during this era. I could never win this arguement. I would say that the only time I got traction was when Barry QUIT on his team.

One of the biggest problems I have with everyone's argument is that Barry had a bad line. That's completely false. People actually think that Barry could run for 2000 yards on his own.

The other argument was that if he had The Dallas offensive line/Moose. A guy I played with in college had the oppprtunity to be a FB for Barry playing against the Giants. My former teammate was not a FB in college, but a LB. watching the game, he made several crushing blocks against LBs, however Barry failed to stay in the hole and follow his blocks. Just my 2 cents.

Looks like someone actually watched football in the 1990.

 

[Thomas82]

Sherman Williams was a scrub. I said it when Dallas drafted him. He was a small back that ran upright and didn't do anything that well. He also had an attitude problem. Me thinking those guys are scrubs doesn't take anything away from Emmitt Smith. He is one of the best to ever play the position.

Yeah, we passed on Derrick Brooks to take Sherman Williams.

 

[Hook'em#11]

One RB stayed in the NFL and excelled.

One quit, leaving a team high n dry.

I am going with the GOAT that stayed.

 

[erod]

Lomas Brown: 7 time Pro Bowler, 6 time All Pro

Kevin Glover: 3 time Pro Bowler, 4 time All Pro

Jeff Hartings : 2 time Pro Bowler

Now name his quarterbacks.

 

[perrykemp]

Tough one.

Barry Sanders carried the ball, on average, nearly a whole yard more per carry than Emmitt Smith DESPITE all the negative carries he had -- 5.0 ypc vs Emmitt's 4.2 ypc

That dramatic delta in productivity in yards per carry carries a lot of weight in the comparison IMHO.

Beyond that, Barry averaged 100 yards rushing per game vs Emmitt's 82 per game -- also an interesting measure of per game productivity.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Now name his quarterbacks.

He had Mitchell when he was actually a decent NFL QB. This is the same team that had 3 1000 yard WR's in the same year. And a WR that had the record for the most receptions in a season. The Lions had a very potent passing attack in Sanders prime

 

[darthseinfeld]

Frankly I would put both in the top 5 but neither at #1 or even 2. I think the top 2 are Brown and Payton. After that there are mutiple ways to go. If you value longetivity, Emmitt is very hard to ignore. People talk about his champion years, but people overlook the fact that he had 1,200 yards+ 9 out of 10 seasons at one point and 11 consecutive 1000 yard seasons.

Sanders pure production cant be ignored. Even for his detractors (including) he was the most prolific back in terms of production.

In terms of a shorter term production, Dickerson and Campbell deserve mention.

In terms of the ability to dictate a game, Faulk is a real wildcard. Given his ability as both a runner and the ability to play any WR slot, had he not been injury he may have gone down as the best back ever. However full seasons out of him were rare

Personally I rank them 1) Brown 2) Payton 3)Smith 4) Sanders 5) Dickerson

 

[darthseinfeld]

Barry Sanders' line actually had two Pro Bowlers in center Kevin Glover and tackle Lomas Brown, if I recall correctly.

Id take Brown over Tuinei and Glover over any Center we had after Stepnoski

 

[Thomas82]

How many hall of famers played with Jim Brown? Specifically on the offensive side of the ball? Brown also had a hall of fame coach and arguably the greatest head coach of all time. Definitely a top 3 head football coach in NFL history

Even 2 of Jim Brown's backups are in the Hall Of Fame.

 

[Ring Leader]

This.............

will always be better than:

 

[diefree666]

I have always pretty much put Jim Brown as the #1 RB of all time. BUT one must remember that at 235 lbs playing late 50's to mid 60's he was only slightly smaller than most DLs and was bigger than most LBs. Ray Nietzsche flat out said he was the one RB in the NFL that scared people. Watching any highlight reel of Brown and you see a LOT of DBs making business decisions. Even back then. Though in those cases you could make an argument about just not having a death wish.

 

[joseephuss]

Id take Brown over Tuinei and Glover over any Center we had after Stepnoski

Dallas didn't get him in his prime, but Ray Donaldson was a pretty good center. He was better than Glover and Glover was also pretty good.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Lomas Brown: 7 time Pro Bowler, 6 time All Pro

Kevin Glover: 3 time Pro Bowler, 4 time All Pro

Jeff Hartings : 2 time Pro Bowler

Wow good info....I never knew this. That's decent

 

[jrumann59]

True Barry was also famous for running backwards. Dont have the numbers but he netted alot of negative plays.

Iirc he lost a total seasons worth of yards over his career

 

[BAT]

Peete, Mitchell, and Batch.

Barry was playing with one arm tied behind his back.

None of those guys were blocking for him. Barry had the benefit of playing with a pair of 1,000 yard receivers. And Mitchell was putting up more yards than Aikman. I think people forget how explosive that Lions spread offense really was, and it was not all Barry.

 

[perrykemp]

Iirc he lost a total seasons worth of yards over his career

And yet averaged 5.0 ypc carry over his career.

 

[dallasdave]

Wow good info....I never knew this. That's decent

 

[dallasdave]

I would take Smiths toughness any day.....he was no quitter.....

Yeah Smith is tough enough !!!!

 

[dallasdave]

Agree. Emmitt's too busy polishing his 3 rings anyway.

Well said indeed SIR !!!!!

 

[dallasdave]

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