2 Questions For the Zoners Who Want to Let Moore Go

[BoyzBlaster]

You wrote down the issue w Moore yourself. He can’t get the most out of Dak. Period. Somebody else needs to try.

Have you ever considered that Moore HAS gotten the most out of Dak?

 

[Captain-Crash]

Absolutely, but could it also be possible that Moore is not being creative enough with the dialed down scheme?
Or hasn't dialed it down enough?

or is it pea brain dak will not just drive the bus, he thinks he's better than he is?

 

[CowboyFrog]

Have you ever considered that Moore HAS gotten the most out of Dak?

Well just going by what we have seen, without Dak this offense is bottom tier... Most likley answer is we have seen the best that Dak/KM can do and it isnt good enough.
2nd and most important point, Dak is not going anywhere without a major team over haul, you can however change the OC and see if that works. This defense is worth trying the OC change in my opinion as moving on from Dak is going to cost you this defense and again if this FO had shown it could retool a defense quickly i would no problem with it. I am not down for another 15 years of mediocre defense as they jack around while blowing up the team cap.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

It gets tiresome repeating the same examples of why Moore needs to go, when asked and then it goes ignored.
People don't want to discuss his shortcomings unless that can dump on Dak. They can't both have struggles here.

I've yet to hear ANYONE defend Moore's scheme, play calling, route concepts and gametime decisions.

You didn't answer either question.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

You can tell who doesn't know what they are talking about by their comments defending Moore.

Seriously guys, sit down one day and just watch the route concepts that Moore calls and tell me that didn't make it hard on receivers and QBs. Watch film and concentrate on any receiver running a route and give your analysis.

 

[conner01]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

Scoring during the regular season and winning in the playoffs are not the same thing

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Do you think the offense can be worse than the 2 playoff losses to SF? Hard to imagine it can be any worse than that

Of course. We could have an offense that doesn't even make the playoffs.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

You can tell who doesn't know what they are talking about by their comments defending Moore.

Seriously guys, sit down one day and just watch the route concepts that Moore calls and tell me that didn't make it hard on receivers and QBs. Watch film and concentrate on any receiver running a route and give your analysis.

This comment is another example of meaningless football word salad.

 

[Typhus]

or is it pea brain dak will not just drive the bus, he thinks he's better than he is?

The Superman complex is definitely in play.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

1. Perhaps it is Dak that carried Moore. Look at his stats. Dak has been a good QB. Also look at the rest of the offense. Solid across the board. It should be a good offense.

2. It will be more efficient and balanced without him. Stop looking at the stats and focus on Moore vs good defenses. He gets beat every time.

Here is Moore in a nutshell…

Huge drive. Red zone. 2nd and 2. Spread with 5 wide. Back field empty. Dak in shotgun. Zero motion. Vs the best defense in the league. Pass attempt. Interception. A totally moronic call. That’s Moore. He has been doing that for years. Guy sucks.

It's sounds like you are blaming Moore for everything that goes wrong, and crediting Dak for everything that goes right. That's the part of this whole argument I don't buy.

 

[Steve007]

The only reason to change from Moore is we know how things currently are that Dak can’t get us over the jump so maybe a shakeup is what’s needed.

Kellen Moore is not the problem but what else can we do…

Moore is running plays based on the abilities of Dak.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Even if Dak is the problem, it doesn't help that we've run the same offense for 15 years. At least a new OC could have a similar effect to what Quinn has done on defence.

So the offense that has been #2 in the league in scoring in the period I mentioned needs to be updated why? What is your bar for the OC....#1 in scoring?

 

[TrailBlazer]

I've been wanting a offensive guru for years. I remember when McCarthy and Rodgers had it rolling in GB with guys like Jordy Nelson. They made Jordy look like an all pro. My hope was that when McCarthy was hired, he could bring that magic with him. But now I know 100%, it was all Aaron Rodgers. Moral of the story: we need an Elite QB. Unfortunately that's not going to happen. Next best thing is to add more weapons to help Dak and hope for the best.

 

[Typhus]

or is it pea brain dak will not just drive the bus, he thinks he's better than he is?

Daks 50 yard field he built in his backyard reflects possibly the level of understanding of the game he possesses.
About 50 percent.
Dak would have dominated in Arena league play.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

So the offense that has been #2 in the league in scoring in the period I mentioned needs to be updated why? What is your bar for the OC....#1 in scoring?

It's more of a consistency issue. The problem is that we seem to be inconsistent week to week, and we seldom stick to what's working. I'm thinking a new playcalling system would be good, and a change of philosophy would be good. Additionally, Dak doesn't use his legs much, but he should use them more. That's one of my biggest gripes about Moore. He doesnt use Dak's running ability. Part of the reason we dominated the Bucs was because Dak ran a lot.

 

[Steve007]

1. Perhaps it is Dak that carried Moore. Look at his stats. Dak has been a good QB. Also look at the rest of the offense. Solid across the board. It should be a good offense.

2. It will be more efficient and balanced without him. Stop looking at the stats and focus on Moore vs good defenses. He gets beat every time.

Here is Moore in a nutshell…

Huge drive. Red zone. 2nd and 2. Spread with 5 wide. Back field empty. Dak in shotgun. Zero motion. Vs the best defense in the league. Pass attempt. Interception. A totally moronic call. That’s Moore. He has been doing that for years. Guy sucks.

Dak cant carry anyone. Moore isn't throwing those picks. Moore isn't the one who can't see wide open receivers. Moore isn't the one with accuracy problems.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

1. Focus on the run game and lean into it. Create a play action game off of that which Dak has shown to excel at.
2. It can be worse statwise but better when it matters. I will take consistency and a dominate run game over big stats.

That leaves one wondering why we are paying so much for the QB you described, but credit to you for at least answering the questions.

 

[coult44]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

I’m going to respond before I read everyone else’s comments. The main reason I want him gone is that him and Dak are not getting better together. They are progressing and seem to hit a plateau midsesason and then go backwards during the playoffs.

Next, It’s well known that the KM’s route trees for his WR’s is the least creative in the NFL. Even his own guys talk about it. Our defensive guys talk about it. Other team’s players talk about it, and the media is all over it. We have one really good WR. The others are mid on their best day.

The bottom line is we all know Dak isn’t going anywhere. We all know Big Mike isn’t going anywhere. We all know DQ isn’t going anywhere. WTBS, change has ti happen. We are at a complete standstill and the only way for big time change to happen is that someone has to take the fall for two seasons of failure in the playoffs.

I think we also know the the writing is on the wall for Big Mike. He has to win this year or DQ is your head coach next season. Why stay with Kellen knowing exactly what your going to get. It’s just not good enough.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I've been wanting a offensive guru for years. I remember when McCarthy and Rodgers had it rolling in GB with guys like Jordy Nelson. They made Jordy look like an all pro. My hope was that when McCarthy was hired, he could bring that magic with him. But now I know 100%, it was all Aaron Rodgers. Moral of the story: we need an Elite QB. Unfortunately that's not going to happen. Next best thing is to add more weapons to help Dak and hope for the best.

But, it's why I'm saying, a change of OC could be helpful too. Similar to how changing DCs to Quinn solved our defencive problems.

 

[xwalker]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

If SF and Dallas had switched QBs, SF still wins.

Purdy in the Dallas offense would look like the game that DiNicci started in 2020.