2 Questions For the Zoners Who Want to Let Moore Go

[Creeper]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

I hate defending Moore because I do have issues with some of his play calling and play designs. I also have issues with his use of personnel. But at the same time you can't argue with the success he has had. Of course the offense does not do as well against top defenses. Isn't that to be expected? If a team averages 35 points per game, you should expect it will score less against the above average defenses and more against the poor defenses. And so much of that success depends on the QB. Imagine if against SF, Dak doesn't throw those 2 INTs. Imagine if he hits Gallup and Hilton in stride when they were wide open. Maybe Dallas scores 28 points. Moore can only do so much from the sidelines. The players have to execute too.

Moore has also been handcuffed by Jerry and injuries. Jerry traded away Cooper and did not sign a comparable WR to take his place. They started the year with Dennis Houston as a starting WR. Then had Fehoko active too, and Tolbert. None of these guys amounted to anything. Maybe that was Moore's fault but he tried what he had to work with. Tyron Smith got hurt before the season and Steele got hurt and missed the last few games. Losing Steele was a much bigger blow to the running game than we are hearing about. Then losing Pollard in the playoff game was a huge blow. The offense really suffered without him in the game.

I do think Moore was a little better this year than last. It seems like he stopped calling so many of those dumb gadget plays in the red zone. Maybe MM said something to him. Maybe he is still learning.

Is he great? No. But maybe its the players as much as the OC. Maybe we don't see the vertical passing game much because Dak has not been good throwing the deep balls. Or Maybe because the WRs we have are not fast enough. It is easy to scapegoat the coaches when the players fail. If Moore leaves I won't be disappointed. I won't be disappointed if he stays either. The fact is the Cowboys have to focus more on the talent they put on the field. They need to get a running game, and they need some WRs who can actually threaten the defense. They need more speed on offense, as some of us have been saying for years.

If we get a new OC, there is no guarantee he will be any better than Moore and a good chance it takes the team a year to figure out the new scheme. And it goes without saying that Dak has to be more consistent against the better teams.

 

[blueblood70]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

I fixed all your errors and its IRONIC i can substitute one name for the other and its still makes nice debate in your same thought process. how can one be so great and the other not be LOL

For all the people who want to ditch DAK, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The QB accomplished this with a OC that everyone but those completely in the tank for OC agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with Bad play calls, NO RUn game, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the OC not the QB, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch DAK are:
1. Given OCs liabilities, what exactly do you think a new QB will realistically accomplish that Dak hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how prolific a Dak Led offenses have been compared to those of other QBs, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new QB
will be worse not better?

 

[Flamma]

The Eagles are Superbowl bound......

I think so too. But I'm hoping the 49ers get a break or two to win it. If I had to put money on this game, it wouldn't be on the 49ers. But I can hope, right?

 

[PAPPYDOG]

OMGZ

You got me.

SF is better than us. Go figure.

He needs more weapons and a ground game.

Look, i wasn't for hiring McCarthy in the first place...but if you are going to make that mistake, you have to let him coach what he knows. So this is where we ignore his 2016 Cc game appearance and the 5 victories in the playoffs from 2011-2016?

What is so great about Kellen's resume, since we want to bag on what McCarthy has actually accomplished?

What or who is the constant the last 7 years we get bounced from the playofffs?
Is it Moore=No
Is it MM=NO
Is it our DC=No
is it our HB=No(we have 2 now)
Is it our QB=YES


Bring in any OC Dak and our offense will still fall short against playoff-caliber defenses!!!!
Need points to win Ken man!!

 

[Ken]

What or who is the constant the last 7 years we get bounced from the playofffs?
Is it Moore=No
Is it MM=NO
Is it our DC=No
is it our HB=No(we have 2 now)
Is it our QB=YES


Bring in any OC Dak and our offense will still fall short against playoff-caliber defenses!!!!
Need points to win Ken

As has been shown here is recent days, Jimmy Johnson AND Bill Parcells both think Dak is good enough to win a super Bowl.

Read that last sentence again, slowly, until you understand it.

 

[Captain-Crash]

As has been shown here is recent days, Jimmy Johnson AND Bill Parcells both think Dak is good enough to win a super Bowl.

Read that last sentence again, slowly, until you understand it.

good enough with a stacked team. Rush could do that. What quarterback can't win it all with a stacked team?

 

[Ken]

good enough with a stacked team. Rush could do that. What quarterback can't win it all with a stacked team?

Whichever one loses between Philly and SF.

Give it a day and you will have your answer.

 

[The Fonz]

Perhaps the issue is that there is no Moore to get out of Dak so the easiest thing for McCarthy and Jerry is to blame Kellen and not the real $160M problem.

Brother some are still in denial ( as a defense mechanism)

no matter what you say at some point they will run out of people to blame for the limitation with this Jag .​

 

[blueblood70]

As has been shown here is recent days, Jimmy Johnson AND Bill Parcells both think Dak is good enough to win a super Bowl.

Read that last sentence again, slowly, until you understand it.

right LOL to add to that its easier to replace the OC then our QB at this time and makes the most sense. that should answer the OPs questions.

 

[Risen Star]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

Don't look for any logic from them. They just want to blame someone they can replace. That way they can pretend next year will be totally different now that the problem is gone.

Don't waste your time with it. Know that if Kellen Moore is scapegoated out of town, the Cowboys will be hard pressed to find anyone who can get the kind of production he's gotten out of this QB. A QB who would now have to learn a completely new offense in his 8th year. as if that would be a recipe for success in 2023.

They don't know what they don't know.

 

[Ken]

right LOL to add to that its easier to replace the OC then our QB at this time and makes the most sense. that should answer the OPs questions.

They just LOVE wasting all of their time on things that are not the issue or can't change. They LOVE it...it is very weird to me.

 

[CowboyFrog]

For all the people who want to ditch Moore, help me understand. If you drop the Andy Dalton year, the last 3 years the Cowboys have been 4th,
1st and 6th in scoring. For those 3 years combined, the Cowboys are 2nd in scoring only behind KC.
The OC accomplished this with a QB that everyone but those completely in the tank for Dak agrees has fatal limitations, torpedoed
our post season this year with turnovers, and ended our post season last year with the stupidest in game decision I've seen since.....well ever.

Seems like the obvious problem is the QB not the OC, and if anything this OC has over achieved.

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better?

The only problem i have with this question is you literally state that without Dak his offense is below tier, yet with Dak you think he is amazing...but Dak is the probem. I'm all for a QB upgrade but show me how it happens, we can however change the OC that you said yourself is not getting the job done unless the QB you dont like is playing for him.

 

[The Fonz]

Don't look for any logic from them. They just want to blame someone they can replace. That way they can pretend next year will be totally different now that the problem is gone.

Don't waste your time with it. Know that if Kellen Moore is scapegoated out of town, the Cowboys will be hard pressed to find anyone who can get the kind of production he's gotten out of this QB. A QB who would now have to learn a completely new offense in his 8th year. as if that would be a recipe for success in 2023.

They don't know what they don't know.

1000 likes for ya

7 years and we still trying to fix this guy man

 

[Bagman]

1. The Cowboys need a play caller who is better with situational football and giving different looks that fool the defense than Moore. The passing game mostly contained simple route trees and put too many receivers out on long developing routes in medium yardage situations. The running game needs to be emphasized so as to set up the passing attack (helps Dak). RBs getting short passes in space (helps Dak) are a dangerous element to an offense and will predicate how a defense runs coverage.

2. How much of Moore's offense success has been due to the talent on the field?

You hit the nail on the head.

 

[rags747]

SF game was there for the taking for the underdog Cowboys, defense shut down the Genius Shanahan offense. A little competent QB play last Sunday and we would be playing today.

 

[Typhus]

The only reason to change from Moore is we know how things currently are that Dak can’t get us over the jump so maybe a shakeup is what’s needed.

Kellen Moore is not the problem but what else can we do…

So true, when you paint yourself into a corner you have to get pretty creative or wait for the paint to dry.
Not too many choices.

 

[Captain-Crash]

We should have kept Jason Garrett too, he just needed another offensive coordinator. A new coordinator and Jason would have won several super bowls for us.

 

[gtb1943]

Whichever one loses between Philly and SF.

Give it a day and you will have your answer.

Say hello to Jerry when you get to the office monday
(of course assuming he is around)

 

[Typhus]

Could it be possible that the offense is designed in the manner that it is BECAUSE of Dak? By that I mean the simplicity is done to match Dak's abilities as a more complex offense would be simply too much for Dak? Given his struggles in what some say is a simplified offense could a more complex offense bring about even more liabilities on behalf of Dak?

Absolutely, but could it also be possible that Moore is not being creative enough with the dialed down scheme?
Or hasn't dialed it down enough?

 

[Cmac]

My 2 questions to the legion of Zoners who want to ditch Moore are:
1. Given Dak's liabilities, what exactly do you think a new OC will realistically accomplish that Moore hasn't already accomplished?
Sit down with Dak, go over strengths & weaknesses, fit New OC system into the strengths, adjust route tree, improve yard & distance play calling.

2. Given how profilic Moore's offenses have been compared to those of other OC's, do you realize it's likely that any offense under a new OC
will be worse not better? Tell Dak, stats are as misleading as the Weather Man's forecast. Tell him KMoore had stats that yielded "empty calories", just as your stats Dak. Let's go with answer to question #1 and also work to improve OL play